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Guest (Male): Welcome to the New Life LIVE podcast. We hope to provide help and hope in your life through God's Word, counselors, and psychologists as we answer questions from listeners who call with the challenges of life. Let's go to today's episode.

Brian Perez: Thanks for watching and listening to New Life LIVE. I'm your host, Brian Perez, and I don't want you to ever feel afraid or nervous or anxious to call into the show. We want to connect you to some life-changing resources and advice. We care about your well-being here at New Life, so please connect with us.

Answering your questions today, we've got licensed professional clinical counselor and president of New Life Ministries, Becky Brown, and clinical psychologist Dr. Alice Benton. Hello, ladies. Alice, what's on your mind to start us off?

Dr. Alice Benton: Brian, the first time I called into the show as a listener, I was so nervous my whole body was shaking. Even if you're nervous, call in anyhow. We understand. We get it. Do it nervous.

I want us to wonder if we live with an eternal focus. To put it in an extreme way, do you live with death in mind? Do you live with the end in mind? I ask this because a friend unexpectedly passed away. Young, healthy, no one saw this coming. It was a sudden heart attack.

Our group of friends, as we have been grieving the loss together, we've been talking about both the beautiful ways we were loved by her, and some of us are feeling the regret that we didn't love her as well as we could have. If we had known we were going to lose her, would we have called more, texted more? Would we have tried to see her? There are some regrets about what we did not complete.

So, are we living with an eternal focus with how fleeting life truly is? I'm not, Brian. I'm living thinking about finances and the dirty dishes and my needy children. Life is just too busy to keep that eternal focus in mind. But the loss of someone close brings us back to the reminder that we need to live our life with intentionality, with purpose, hopefully in a way so that we have as few regrets as possible.

Becky, we've gotten so many calls of parents who lost their children unexpectedly, sometimes to things like a drug overdose. They're racked with the grief of "I didn't love them enough, I didn't teach them enough. Maybe we were in rupture when they passed away. Maybe I didn't teach them about the Lord enough, and I don't know if my child was saved." Now, I don't have any chance to do the repair work I wish that I had done.

Two things help me to return to an eternal focus because I just can't sustain it all the time. My son is turning 14. It means that I have 200 weekends left with him before he probably launches out of our home. 200 weekends to have those important conversations, to tell him I love him, to put my phone down long enough to engage with him, to pay attention to him.

My daughter and I had a rupture last night, and we didn't get it resolved before we both were exhausted and fell into bed. So, we made a comfort circle date for when she's done with school and I'm done with work today so that we can attempt to repair that break in relationship.

Of course, we have to worry about finances, dirty dishes, and needy kids, but we don't know how long we have left or how long the people around us have left. All of us have an end date. I encourage you to live with an eternal focus, and if you don't know how to go about doing that, if you're too distracted and you don't have the means and the tools, let us get you back on that eternal focus track.

Becky Brown: I agree 100%, and we can fix our eyes on the author and perfecter of our faith as Hebrews 12 says.

Brian Perez: Indeed. All right, we're going to take a quick break and then we'll go to the phones. I see Fred and Scott and Patricia, Eva, so many calls, so we're going to get to so many people that are reaching out for help and we're going to give you the best advice we can here on New Life LIVE. Thanks so much for joining us today. Thanks for watching and listening. Make sure to share our videos with your friends. We'll be back on New Life LIVE.

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Let's begin our time on the phones with Fred in Lancaster, California. He listens to us on SiriusXM Channel 131. Hey, Fred, what's going on?

Fred: How are you doing? I had a comment for the young man, Tony, but let me get right to the crux of what's going on with me. My wife and I have been together for 17 years, married for 16. We're a blended family. I came into the marriage with nine children, she came into it with three.

At the onset of our marriage, I kind of noticed that there was a certain affection. I've kind of talked to this before because this is not my first time calling. I did come in with a pseudonym the first time. But with regard to her daughter, who is now 34, I have a love for her three children equal to my own.

Seemingly she as well has a love for my children, not all of them, but the ones who are closely attached to her. They're all older. My youngest is 31, her youngest is 34. But now there are grandchildren involved. Her whole focus, even with regard to our marriage, if there's conflict in our marriage, she doesn't see that the conflict arises from the pressures she puts on herself to continuously enable our daughter.

She's financially unstable. She does not know how to manage money. For over a year, mom has provided. Well, all the years, but three years ago when she was four years almost pregnant with her first daughter, she moved into a place in another city and mom had to basically rent an apartment in her name and put her on as the co-lease.

Brian Perez: Wow. Okay. So how can we help you today, Fred?

Fred: I'd like to find ways to help mom let go. Her way of letting go is saying things like, "This marriage is the biggest problem in my life." It's everything else but the daughter, except for when the daughter is in a level of disrespect or disregarding, and she's quite good at that. Mom can't let go due to her own history.

Becky Brown: So, Fred, you're saying you guys have 12 children combined?

Fred: Yeah, we lost one of my sons in 2020.

Becky Brown: I'm sorry to hear that. You both were raising all of them in these last 17 years?

Fred: Well, no. Mine were all grown except for my youngest when he was 13. The rest were quite a bit older and independently living.

Becky Brown: This daughter you're talking about, she must have been about 15 or 16 when you guys got together, right?

Fred: 15, yes.

Becky Brown: The reason why I just wanted to outline all of that is because that matters in perspective as to the dynamic of your relationship. I would imagine, Fred, if this 34-year-old daughter was more self-sufficient as an adult, we probably wouldn't be having this conflict in the marriage. But maybe not. It may not be true.

When you think about your relationship with your wife, do you feel connected to each other, taking the daughter out of it for a moment? I know she's the central focus right now, but do you feel connected to each other?

Fred: I feel very connected to her. She has a little bit of OCD. With regard to that, it's deeper than that. My wife was the victim of neglect with regard to her own mother.

Becky Brown: Hold up, Fred. Did you hear that? This is the story behind the story. You described your wife as being a victim of neglect from her own mother, and then you described this mother-daughter connection she has that seems a little bit insurmountable from your perspective.

Our histories are ever-present until we get the healing and we work them out. I will say one more thing about the marriage. The marriage has become a topic where you're saying, "Honey, you've got to let her go. You can't put her between us," and she's going to dig her heels in even more. You're not having this united front about how we manage our relationships with our adult kids and enjoy our life together. It's very significant that your wife's background is playing into what you're seeing right now. It's not to criticize her or judge her; it's just an explanation. Alice?

Dr. Alice Benton: Fred, it makes sense that she is not going to repeat her mother's mistake of neglecting a daughter. Yet I think you're rightly concerned. She does seem to be helping more than is good in the long run. Your daughter has struggled with a number of things, but you're worried that she's enabling in an unhealthy way.

If your wife is saying, "Our marriage is the biggest problem in my life," I don't think it will work to keep trying to bring up her helping the daughter too much. Rather, a tactic of becoming a listener to why your wife thinks the marriage is the biggest problem might work. Even though that might seem like a waste of time to you because the problem is the daughter, if we fix the daughter, everything is going to be better.

You may be right about that, but that strategy will not work with your wife. Of course, your marriage is imperfect, so there are things that need your attention first between you and your wife before trying to tackle the issue of your daughter being enabled by her.

If I were you, I would go back to the wife to say, "I want to hear about why our marriage is the biggest problem in your life. I already know you're tired of hearing me talk about our daughter, you're tired of hearing me complain about how much you're supporting her, so I know those things are already difficult. I can hear about that and I can hear about whatever else is adding to the marriage being the biggest problem."

Become a professional listener to her. You don't have to agree. Not everything she says is going to be accurate, but until you draw your wife out, until you get gently curious for long enough, trying to talk about your daughter just will not work. If you get your marriage to a more stable place, then you might be able to lead into the conversation of how we can best serve our daughter, especially because we won't always be here to cover the rent for her. How can we come up with a better long-term plan so she doesn't fully rely on us? But that is a conversation way down the road after repairing what's wrong in the marriage.

Brian Perez: Alice, you spoke earlier about the comfort circle, and that's something that we talk about in the How We Love book. I think you should look into that book, Fred. There's also an article on our website, newlife.com, called Helping Without Enabling. We'll put a link to that in the show notes there if you're watching us online. Fred, thanks so much for calling into New Life LIVE today.

Dr. Alice Benton: John Townsend wrote a great book, The Entitlement Cure, and it helps us to see why that goes wrong eventually, helping too much in an unhealthy way and how to disentangle by taking parental responsibility for that side of the equation. Please take a look at that book.

Brian Perez: All right. Scott, you are in Atlanta, Georgia. How can we help you?

Scott: Two years ago, almost to the date, my wife after 15 years of marriage and being together, left. We were madly in love with one another, but I had some behavioral issues, anger issues. Two years ago, when my wife did leave me, my anger was over trauma of the past, of my childhood with my parents and my mom, who I estranged for almost 12 years before her death.

Before her death, we did get back together and we did reconcile with my mom. But right before my mom died, she got really angry with me and lashed out. Long story short, my wife at the time was just in the way of my anger. It wasn't her; she was a saint through the marriage. When that happened to me, I was devastated, I was heartbroken.

I turned my life over to Christ. I took extensive therapy to address my behavioral issues with EMDR. It's very effective for trauma and it rewired my brain to become a nicer person, a better husband, and a better person.

I just want to let you know there is hope for all of us when we do these things, we put in the work, we put in the time. My wife and I started talking after our divorce after six months because we missed each other so badly. She wanted to see the action. She wanted to see my actions and not talk. She didn't want apologies. She wanted to see action. Actions in turning to Christ, actions to getting major therapy for your anger, and also getting into a men's group or a Bible group that does wonders beyond just church and reading the Bible.

My question to you is my wife and I've been talking on the phone; we're not totally back together yet. We're taking baby steps. From a year ago today, we have been talking on the phone extensively every night, every morning, every day. There's not been one argument. It has helped with the pain of being separated and divorced. We are best friends, we are soulmates, and we are putting our life together. But I am holding back in seeing her because of the fact that I just don't feel like my trauma is totally resolved yet. I just don't want to make the same mistakes I made in the past with my anger whenever we do see each other and we start getting back together physically.

Becky Brown: Scott, you are on the right path that way. But this is something that we talk about all the time in marriages. That's where our histories collide and where our hurts start to impact one another. You're being wise. I wonder, are you working with a therapist at all?

Scott: Yes, I am.

Becky Brown: I mean the two of you, separately?

Scott: She is and I am separately, but we are going to merge with my therapist here pretty soon together.

Becky Brown: That's what we would suggest. But I would also probably keep in mind that I want your wife to feel heard. If you go to your therapist, it may be a conflict. I'm just wondering about that objectivity. I don't want your wife to think that she doesn't have a voice because this is your therapist. We also have a great intensive that you could go to called Intimacy in Marriage where you can talk about these things. I love all the work you're doing, Scott. You're underlining what we told the gentleman, which was to do your work, do it consistently over time, and become safe.

Dr. Alice Benton: We just hope you let your wife have the priority decision-making about which therapist she feels best with. Try it out with yours, and maybe you end up seeing somebody else, but let her be the decision-maker there.

Brian Perez: So good to hear Scott's testimony. He's almost like a walking billboard for what we do here at New Life LIVE. Scott, we thank you for your phone call.

Becky Brown: And encourage the other men! It can be done.

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Let's talk to Patricia. She's in Washington, D.C. Welcome to New Life LIVE, Patricia. How can we help you?

Patricia: I'm calling today because I have a difficult situation with my sibling, a brother who is 71, and I am his caretaker. Our mom passed in July 2024, and he's been diagnosed with schizophrenia. I'm just beginning the steps of going through the court system for the guardianship. I just wanted to get you guys' opinion on taking the right approach to take care of my brother, who is a disabled adult.

Dr. Alice Benton: Was your mother his primary caregiver before?

Patricia: Yes.

Dr. Alice Benton: And I imagine he lived with her and now he's living with you?

Patricia: Correct. Well, he lives on his own. He was living with her. Him dealing with the grief and everything, he's started to isolate himself. He used to participate in a program, a day program, but he's refusing everything now. He won't participate, he stopped his medication, no doctor's visits. He's just refusing everything.

Becky Brown: That's so hard. Patricia, what have you asked him about all of this? I'm sure you've implored him to go to the doctor or whatever, but what is that dynamic between you and him like?

Patricia: In the beginning, he would do the doctor visits and everything, and then it got to a place where he just stopped. I would go to pick him up and he would say, "That's okay. I'm not going to go." He even had eye appointments; he has glaucoma. He stopped doing all of that. He stopped participating in his day program. They would come and pick him up every day, and he just would sit on the front porch and wave the transportation on. He said, "I'm not going."

Then I would take him to receive his shots because that's once a month. Then it got to the point where he said he didn't want to do that anymore. He said he didn't like the way that the medication made him feel.

Becky Brown: Is there no other siblings or family?

Patricia: I do have another sister, but she lives in another state, so everything falls on me.

Dr. Alice Benton: Are you starting to see an increase in aggression, self-harm, or threats to others?

Patricia: No. He's always been mild-mannered. His doctors at the center have advised me on that, giving me hotline numbers if he should get agitated or something like that to call these numbers, but I don't want anything to go that far.

Dr. Alice Benton: Do you have any concern about him turning to substance use as he's not medicated now?

Patricia: Yes.

Dr. Alice Benton: Is he? Do you see signs of that?

Patricia: Yes, I do. If he has the opportunity—I don't give him any money, any cash, because I know he will go straight for alcohol or drugs or something like that. I used to even buy him cigarettes and I stopped doing that. I would try to coax him and say, "I'll buy you cigarettes if you go get your shot," and then he said he'll do everything, but he's not getting the shot.

Dr. Alice Benton: So you know it's alcohol and you suspect other drugs. Is adult protective services involved?

Patricia: No. He has a caseworker from his program that I've been working with from time to time. But she said this is a new situation. She's never done guardianship before, so she really couldn't walk me through the steps that I need to take.

Becky Brown: But Patricia, here's the thing. The thing about guardianship is you take responsibility, but it's still going to be this same dynamic with you and him. How often do you interact with him?

Patricia: Let's say maybe four times a week. I go over maybe every other day. I am retired, but it's still a lot.

Becky Brown: It is a lot. It's a lot emotionally. I think the thing that you have to be thinking about is long-term, what does this look like? It's very frustrating that he's not doing what he needs to do, but I think that there is a way that you can find some peace and some support since he's already connected with county services.

Dr. Alice Benton: We feel for you, Patricia, that you have such limited power. Our concern is that a person with this kind of diagnosis who's using drugs but refusing medication doesn't tend to stay mild-mannered for long. We hope you'll be braced and looking for those symptoms of aggression, of hallucinations, which often can be command hallucinations commanding self-harm or hurting others. That's where we're worried this could go if he stays unmedicated.

But you cannot control the fact that he's refusing everything. A couple of things that you can do: Be aware if he's caring for his basic needs because adult protective services can come in with more resources if an adult is unable to care for themselves, even if he's not showing signs of violence towards self or others.

You can use leverage, which may or may not work, but you might decide if his symptoms are worsening that perhaps you'll tell him, "I'm not able to come and visit you so often until you're willing to get back into the help that you were doing before." So maybe you'll limit to once a week until you see that he's getting better. You decide what leverage you'll use that way.

If you're not in a NAMI group, the National Alliance for Mental Illness, it's a great support for family members of those struggling with severe mental illness like schizophrenia. Then you know you need to have your own outlet where you can process your frustration, your powerlessness over what's going on and the decisions that he's making. That can be in a support group like NAMI or it can be with one of our New Life counselors that we could connect you with.

Brian Perez: We've got an article at newlife.com, 10 Tips to Live a Well-Balanced Life. Here you are, Patricia, in your retirement years and taking care of your brother. We're so grateful that you're doing that. I'm sure he is, too, but you've got to take care of yourself as well. Thanks for calling into New Life LIVE today, Patricia.

Becky, how would you convince a long-time listener to become a first-time donor?

Becky Brown: Well, if you look around the world right now, if you look around your own family, your neighborhood, you can see that people are hurting. You hear the stories that we have here on the program. You can be part of helping people get the truth of God's Word and godly counsel. I was just telling Alice at the break that there are so many people that are hurting, and we are a phone call away. It's all due to the grace of God working through the hearts of people who want to be part of what God is doing through New Life. My convincing to you would be if you think people need help, I think you know they do. You can be part of what God is doing through New Life.

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Eva in Tempe, Arizona, welcome to New Life LIVE.

Eva: Hi, I was a bit nervous. I did call in some other program seven years ago and I was shaking then. I'm a 54-year-old single woman, mom of four children. My two oldest sons have passed away. My oldest was 29 when he was violently murdered up in Oregon seven years ago. Then about ten months ago, my 33-year-old son died.

I have my daughter who thankfully just moved in with me, moved from out of state. She's 31. I have my 23-year-old son living at home as well because he's in college. However, since seven years ago, I've struggled with finding the right kind of counseling. I was referred to Parents of Murdered Children. "Oh, you've got to see this lady. Same thing happened to her and she's a masters in counseling, psychologist at urgent psychiatric care, and both her sons were murdered by her husband." I thought that'd be great, right?

I went in, I spent money then. Now I don't have the money to spend to go pay a couple hundred dollars for a consultation or whatnot. It wasn't because it wasn't grounded in truth at all. She just told me we were a bunch of energy. I've been a born-again Christian since the age of seven. Of course we backslide and stuff like that, but I've been following Christ for many years now. I struggle with being able to afford counseling. I got referrals from my church, but same thing. They vet their counselors really well so I got some referrals, but I can't afford it.

I went to a GriefShare program that meets at a church. It really wasn't the right group for me. I'm going to try out another group because I just feel like I need a little bit more help than the 12 steps of the GriefShare.

Becky Brown: Eva, I love your willing heart in the midst of this devastation. There are so many ways that we are impacted as moms, but the loss of children is one that you can't even put words to. Yet I hear in your heart, "I know I need help, I know I need to do something," and I'm willing to do it. I love that about you. That's going to be key to your continued healing.

We say that a lot to people. The first therapist may not be the right one. Second one might be a little bit better. All of these things. I would say if you were to say right now today, what is the greatest struggle that you're having? Are you stuck in your grief? Are you experiencing depression, anxiety? What can we best help you with?

Eva: My struggle emotionally, spiritually, or whatever is the grief since my last son died 10 months ago. It's not always there, like I don't think I'm in stage one, and I'm really good with faking it for my children's sake. I don't have family now. I have a mom that has dementia, but they've all died. I took care of my dad when he died three years ago. I've lost a best friend.

I don't really have family or support. The family that I have is a nephew that struggles really bad, and I have an ex-brother-in-law who's like a brother to me. I do have church and I have some friends. However, I try to hide my grief a lot from my children because it does nothing but weigh them down. My biggest struggle right now is I can't afford a good therapist. I can't afford any therapist right now, so I'm just trying to plug into free resources. I could probably afford $50 a month, but that's nothing.

Becky Brown: Eva, we definitely can connect you with groups that are free. We have life recovery groups all over and we will get you connected. We even have therapists in the network that operate on a sliding scale as well. What we hear you saying is you need people to carry your weight, literally. This is a time of "I need people around me" and I love that you're open to it because it's usually the biggest challenge.

Eva: Right, and I don't want my children to suffer and I don't want their faith to plummet. I have to live for my children; otherwise, I wouldn't want to be here.

Dr. Alice Benton: Oh, Eva. You didn't just lose your sons; you have lost almost all your primary people with only two surviving children. It's such a complex multi-layered grief. What we want to talk with you about is finding the right fit and, like Becky said, not letting money stop your search.

I just was thinking that if I have cancer, I don't need an oncologist who also has cancer or who has overcome cancer. I need an oncologist with expertise in my kind of cancer. You need a clinician with trauma expertise. Again, we can help you find that in our network. There are always, or almost always, spiritual barriers when we're trying to get the help we need. I think the enemy wants to keep us stuck. I think he throws all kinds of things at us to get us to stop the search for the right therapist or the right group.

I myself had to try multiple groups before I found the right fit and many of my clients have said similar things. It's not looking for the perfect fit; it's just looking for the good enough fit. So I also hope you don't just give a therapist or a group a one-time try. It's best to both vet them over the phone first because you can interview your therapist and ask questions about how would you handle this situation, what's your experience with trauma? It's really good to evaluate your therapist before you start paying them. I have found that groups are the best, most financially affordable way to get high-level help.

Brian Perez: So stay on the phone, Eva. We'll connect you with a life recovery group near you in Tempe, Arizona. We also have a life recovery workbook for grief in the newlife.com store. Eva, I think we'll just send you a copy, so stay on the phone and we'll send you one.

Let's go to Mary in Tampa, Florida, who watches us on YouTube. Hi there, Mary. How can we help you?

Mary: Yes, hi. Thanks for taking my call. I have a daughter. She's very, very high functioning, Asperger's, and she just left her husband who was abusive towards her and her kids. Not so much to the kids, but to her. I'm just trying to figure out how I can support her. She's given me a list of a few things that she's expecting a change. He's already gotten a few of those done and she's just ready to run back into his arms and just thinks everything is going to be okay. It's really concerning. They are on the other side of the United States from where we're at. I'm just not sure where to go from here. I know I can't stop her from doing it, but it's super concerning.

Dr. Alice Benton: How long has it been since she separated from him?

Mary: This is just this past Thursday.

Becky Brown: Mary, how long were they together?

Mary: They're going to hit four years here soon.

Becky Brown: With you mentioning that she has Asperger's, has their relationship been challenged from day one?

Mary: Not really until the kids came into the picture. That's when it really started.

Becky Brown: Well, I think more importantly, you're asking how to help her from a distance and how much you get involved knowing that you can't make anybody do anything. I think one thing that would be great is to have the conversation about are you willing to go to a therapist with each other? If she's going to go back to him, let's figure out how to make this work. She is out of state now. She asked for someone to come get her out of the relationship. We flew her down. We had some money come help her with the kids to get her down here. So she's down here. She's not in the state, which makes it even more tricky because there's kids involved.

Mary: She is here with us. She's not ready to go back tomorrow, but she just acts like she's on a vacation. I don't think she understands the seriousness of the situation. She does have an appointment with an abuse counseling and treatment center on Wednesday. That was the soonest they can get her in.

When she did leave on Thursday, she went to the courthouse to get a protective order. He was starting to talk about harming himself. He wanted to not live anymore and we'd be better off dead. He drinks heavily; he's got an alcohol addiction that he's not quite willing to admit yet. She was fearing that he may do something to hurt himself and she didn't want the kids to see that happen, or possibly hurt her and the kids.

Becky Brown: Mary, did she also report this to somebody there?

Mary: Well, she tried to, and the judge—she froze up because of her Asperger's. She just gets when she's around someone that she's not familiar with, she kind of shuts down.

Becky Brown: Someone needs to make sure he is safe. That has to be reported. If you know that he has this risk, that is of utmost importance.

Dr. Alice Benton: And Mary, I'd have you and your husband consider trying to call a treatment team meeting, perhaps through this abuse counselor that she might see later in the week so that a counselor is getting multiple perspectives in case your daughter doesn't give it all clearly or doesn't give it fully.

Child protective services likely needs to be involved. You said he wasn't directly abusive to them, but the children are often exposed to the abuse happening between the parents, and especially because alcohol and weapons and the threat of self-harm are there, those children wouldn't be safe to return. You might need to tell your daughter, "We've got to wait for the expert to let us know when it's safe to come back, and if you go back too soon, we might have to let child protective services know because we don't think your children are safe with him yet." How would she react if you told her something like that?

Mary: I have told her that and she still doesn't—she still thinks, because he's the only communication they have, we have been in communication with him and let him see the kids on video through my husband. She just thinks that he's going to change. She just feels really guilty.

Becky Brown: Mary, here's the thing. There has to be someone who is not part of the family directing this because you're all emotionally charged, understandably so. I want to make sure that her husband is safe. I want to make sure that whatever the process is going forward, that there is somebody who is a professional that can guide the steps forward.

Dr. Alice Benton: Adult protective services can also be consulted because of her diagnosis; she may qualify for assistance through that side of things too. I'd make those calls now, at least to gather information from them, especially because she's planning to go back so soon.

Whatever you are facing, we are here to walk with you toward your new life. And you know who else is? Everyone who's watching and listening to New Life LIVE, because they put you on their prayer list and they start praying for your situation. If you need a prayer journal, we've got one in the newlife.com store. Just look for the journal there and buy one and use it to write down the names of the people who call into the show and just keep them in your prayers.

God bless you guys. Thanks so much for watching and listening. We will talk to you next time here on New Life LIVE. Find out more about us at newlife.com. Talk to you next time.