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Brian Perez: Welcome to the New Life Live podcast. We hope to provide help and hope in your life through God's Word, counselors, and psychologists as we answer questions from listeners who call with the challenges of life. Let's go to today's episode.

Thanks for joining us for today's edition of New Life Live. It's Tuesday of Holy Week. Some say this is the day we read about in Matthew 21 when Jesus cleansed the temple. If you are in need of cleansing, please give us a call. We'll be in the studio for two hours. Here's our number: 1-800-229-3000.

We had calls from Hungary and Mexico on yesterday's show. Call from anywhere at 1-800-229-3000. I'm here with clinical psychologist Dr. Jill Hubbard and licensed professional clinical counselor Becky Brown. She's also the president of New Life Ministries, and I can almost guarantee she's got some thoughts to start today's show.

Becky Brown: I do. You were talking about it being Holy Week, and I was thinking about how Jesus entered into the city and it was triumphant, and yet by the end of the week, it doesn't go well at the end. But it goes really well for us because he overcomes death, and his resurrection means that we have full life.

That's not what I'm talking about today. The thing that I'm thinking about is the struggle that he had in the garden. We have so many callers that are struggling with something or with someone. If you're honest, you have experienced that as well. It might not be this moment, but in this world, we have challenges.

Everything from a heartache for things that haven't been realized yet to addiction, that unrelenting drive for the thing that has a hold on us. Maybe you're facing a task that seems insurmountable. This Holy Week, Jesus was entering into what would be the ultimate sacrifice. He knew what was going to be asked of him.

I think sometimes in our struggles, we know what's going to be asked of us, whether it is to stand for truth in a relationship where betrayal has taken place or maybe it's doing the really difficult thing of saying no to the addiction and the thing that has a hold on us. Let's talk about those in-between years that we pray for change and it doesn't happen.

Some of you are praying right now for something that you've been praying for a couple of years and nothing has changed. When Jesus prayed in the garden, he was pleading that God would take the cup of suffering from him. He was shedding blood, sweat, and tears, and yet he said, "Not my will, but thine." That's from Matthew 26.

In the book of recovery, it says, "Acceptance is the answer to all my problems today." It's not approval or agreement, and it's not instantaneous, but Jesus shows us that the biggest challenge that we have is acceptance of when things are really difficult. What is it that we can move into to where we accept that this isn't going the way I want it to go? What can I do? How do I need to pray?

There's a quote from William James that says, "The most efficient way to deal with difficulty is to come to full acceptance." It sounds simple, but it's not. We know it's a journey, and we've been helping people for close to four decades on this journey. Sometimes it's a matter of saying, "Well, that's not what you hoped for, but what can we do?" It's also a challenge to just move just a little bit. As we approach Good Friday and Resurrection Sunday, let's spend some time with God lifting our struggles. If you stop talking to God about them, which happens a lot of times, today's the day. You can say, "Lord, I know I've prayed about this 14,000 times, but today's 14,001." If you need help, you know where you can find us, right, Brian?

Brian Perez: That's right. Your struggles are real, and we are here to help you through them. 1-800-229-3000 is the number to call for the next two hours. If you're watching us on Facebook or YouTube, you can call in too. Thanks so much for watching us and sharing the video with your friends and for liking and subscribing and clicking that little bell icon. We'd love to hear from you today. Call in and speak with Dr. Jill Hubbard and Becky Brown at 1-800-229-3000. Free advice, no coupon required.

To find out more information about New Life or to order any of the resources mentioned on today's program, call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Now back to New Life Live. Linda, we're coming up to you in just a little bit here on New Life Live, but first, let me let you guys know that we have three new New Life courses beginning the first week of May: Lose It For Life, Healing Is A Choice, and Take Your Life Back. Becky, let me ask you, if someone were interested in enrolling in both Take Your Life Back and Healing Is A Choice for spring, would that be a good idea or would it be better to focus on one course at a time?

Becky Brown: I would say don't do both at the same time because I want you to be focused in on the journey that you're on. While they're both incredible and a great opportunity for you to step into your growth process and your healing process, I would say start with one. The difference between the two in Take Your Life Back, many of you are experiencing codependency or people who are really pushing in on your life. That would be the one that you should sign up for. Healing Is A Choice is more about discovering or uncovering the lies that you believe or that you've been living your life by. That's a classic. There's so much wisdom in that book that you could read it over and over again and get something new every time, but it's a great place to start too.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: But you could do the courses one after the other. Start in one and then do the other one to have an ongoing process.

Brian Perez: Find out more about any of these courses online at newlife.com or call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Again, they begin the first week of May, so enroll today. Let's go to the phones now. 1-800-229-3000 is the number to reach us in the studio for the next two hours. Here is Linda, who watches us on DirecTV channel 378, that is NRB TV, in Denver, Colorado. Welcome to New Life Live, Linda.

Linda: Hello, thanks for taking the call. My question is regarding church attendance. I was wondering if pastors made themselves more vulnerable, would that help church attendance any?

Brian Perez: Why do you ask this question, Linda?

Linda: I'm Christian and everything. I walk with the Lord as much as I can, but I'm spending more time in the Word and in scriptures with God, which really helps me experience the Holy Spirit. I feel like not attending a church is a no-no.

The analogy here is I brought somebody to a church and he just didn't feel like he was wanting to hear the Word, but one of his socks was not completely white. It was a little dirty. He kept his feet under the pew the whole time and he mentioned it. I said that's okay, but just things like that. People are just in perfectly ironed attire with coiffed hair. What issues do they truly have and have the courage to be honest about? I think that would make people attend church more. The focus is on Christ, but still, pastors are representing the church and I don't know how to put it. I don't know if that negates the whole matter of sharing the Holy Spirit. I don't know if I'm being nitpicky or what.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: It's an age-old question, Linda. What is the goal here? Is it just to get the numbers up? It sounds like you had an experience with your friend and he was a bit self-conscious and preoccupied and wasn't sure if he fit in. He wasn't Christian, so it may be foreign to him.

I remember I took somebody one time on Easter Sunday who had never been to church in his life. It was a bit overwhelming. I should have taken him on a less verbose Sunday. For a lot of people, when they show up someplace new that's unfamiliar, they will feel uncomfortable. It's like in a social setting. People feel uncomfortable and people do compare.

In the church, haven't we always had this struggle between how authentic do you be? You want to be authentic so that it is welcoming and people feel like they fit. Nobody wants to go in and see everybody being perfect. At the same time, do you go on Sunday morning and just spill your guts all over the place? I think there is this balance. Certainly, on Sunday mornings, you want to hear the Word preached, and you want a pastor who is authentic but also is a leader. He has a healthy balance of sharing but isn't just using the congregation as his own personal therapy.

Then you want it to be welcoming and inviting and people to greet you. We have a guy at our church who's like the greeter, and he'll bring new people up to people who have been there and say, "Hey, this person's new and they've been coming a couple of times." Try to mix it up so that people do feel welcome. Then I think we have to take it a step further and we get involved. We get involved in a class or a small group or a helping day. When you're rubbing shoulders with people, then you start to feel more of the authenticity. All of the issues that we humans have in group dynamics, we have at church, but we blame the church somehow and we blame the pastor, even though the church is very imperfect.

Linda: Right. You wonder sometimes if somebody should go to NA or AA or some group for this or that. Don't bring that to church because nobody wants to hear about that. There are specific times and places and the church would probably provide classes for that or meetings for that sort of thing. If you're going to a pastor or somebody that's in the prayer department and you say I need prayer for this, it would be nice if that person says, "Oh, I go through this. This is my dilemma. This is my issue." Then you go, "Wow, they're not afraid of being vulnerable," which allows that person to know that Christianity is wonderful and it's inviting and it's just amazing.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: A little more humanness you would like. The pastor struggles too.

Becky Brown: Linda, here's the thing. Like Jill said, it depends on the person sharing their struggle because there have been people who are on the prayer team where they start talking about what their needs are and the person who's coming for prayer doesn't get heard. Here's the thing about church: It's full of people. People come in all shapes and sizes. They're all on different journeys, but the church is God's idea. As imperfect as it is, it does come in all shapes, sizes, and places.

Linda: You love Christ. You know Christ loves you. You know he's the Truth. I feel like not attending a church is a no-no.

Becky Brown: The church can be defined a bunch of different ways though, too, Linda, because there are people that meet in homes and that is their church, their church family. Then there's people that meet in big, gigantic buildings with pipe organs that are pretty amazing looking. They call that church, but they may not even interact with people down the pew from them. There's all different ways, and I think that's the journey that we're all on. Find a place to serve and to learn about the Lord and really about the community and how to serve in the community.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: Instead of seeing that it's a no-no, as we are called to gather with other believers and that can look like lots of things, the body of Christ is bigger than the church that you attend, especially the longer you're a Christian. People go all different places. Do you have some place where you gather and interface with other believers? Instead of saying it's a no-no, "I'm being bad," how about "I'm missing out of the connection"? That's usually the more you are connected, the more room there is to share and to be supported. When you have that repeated exposure over time, I just completed a 12-week group at my church. The group is going to continue because over the 12 weeks, we got to know these people that were strangers. We got to hear about their lives. One person is sharing their struggle with being able to pay the rent, from all walks of different lives or family members that are dying. In the midst of studying the material and the Bible, we also got to feel connected. That fosters more authenticity, which makes us feel like we belong.

Becky Brown: That's why we do New Life recovery groups in churches. We do them in meeting halls too. That is the idea, though, is that we can meet together, whether it is about our recovery or a Bible study. I am a long-time church girl. I'm all about the local church, and I would encourage anyone to find a place. What you're looking for, Linda, is integrity. You really want integrity more than you want vulnerability. Because if you have integrity, the person who is a person of integrity, the pastor or the leadership, they will lead with vulnerability at the appropriate time. It's not about trying to manipulate you or do something that's not a good example of Christ.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: The more detached you are from a body of believers, the more this issue is a bigger deal. We sit in judgment. We judge what we feel disconnected from and don't realize that what we're really longing for is connection.

Brian Perez: For so many years we've had that idea of the Sunday best where everybody gets all dressed up and coiffed and perfect hair and everything else. But I would think that the opposite could be true to where someone walks into a church, let's say it's one of these biker churches or a church where it's a bunch of former gang members or something, and they walk in and they're like, I don't feel comfortable here.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: You know that I actually for years would consciously dress down to go to church because for work, I tend to dress a certain way. So I have to think, no, go even more casual for church because the trend has gone. If you think about so many places people used to dress up for, going to the airport, going shopping, all these things that we don't dress up for anymore. On our days off...

Becky Brown: One of my favorite recovery stories is we started a recovery program at our church and a person came into the building on recovery night where we do our meetings and she kind of ducked when she walked into the building. I was like, well, hey, what was that about? She said, well, I was expecting it to fall in on me. So many times people have this judgment of what the church actually is. What it is, is a gathering of people who are seeking Christ. Even if you have been a believer for a long time, that's the community. But if you're a first-timer, like you're just curious about Jesus, I would say especially on Easter, everybody's going to put out their best this Sunday, so go somewhere and bring somebody. You just never know the curiosity of people outside the church. Because the culture has shifted so much from everybody goes to church somewhere on Sunday to it's random who goes to church on Sunday. It's really one of the only places in culture right now where we come together, and I hope it's this way in your church, not focused on political ideology or judgment of people who don't believe the way you do, but it's really a place where we gather to seek Jesus, to learn the Word, to encourage one another, and to join together in worship of a great God.

Brian Perez: Linda, thanks for calling us today from Denver, Colorado. The thing about Denver is there are so many churches there, good Bible teaching churches. If you find one, I mean, we're not encouraging church hopping per se, we'd like you to find one and stay at one and serve there for years and decades. But if one's not to your liking, there might be another one nearby. Thank you for calling in today to New Life Live. We're going to take a quick break and then we'll get to more of your calls. Nancy, you're going to be next here on New Life Live at 1-800-229-3000.

To find out more information about New Life or to order any of the resources mentioned on today's program, call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Now back to New Life Live. We have two webinars coming up including one this week. Our "Understanding Your Attachment Style" webinar was rescheduled to this Thursday, April 2nd, so there's still time to register. Our "Freedom From Fear And Anxiety" webinar is happening April 14th. Becky, what will people learn when they participate at each of these webinars?

Becky Brown: I'm so excited. Our webinars are a great way for you to begin doing your work. "Understanding Your Attachment Style," we're going to have Mark Cameron, who wrote the book. You've heard us talk about attachment style for years. We talk about it in regards to couples and all of that, but every one of us has a style of attachment, the way that we connect with other people. You will be amazed at how that impacts all of your relationships, not just your closest, but also work relationships, your community, just the way that you come into community with other people. Understanding your attachment style can give you all kinds of insight into your new life.

On our second one, "Freedom From Fear And Anxiety," I am going to be presenting based on the book that Steve and I did on *100 Days of Freedom From Fear and Anxiety*, but also I'm going to be joined by a special guest, Patsy Clairmont. She was one of our Women of Faith speakers many years ago. Patsy's a wise woman of many years. She struggled with agoraphobia. Agoraphobia, just in a brief definition, is afraid of spaces that feel like if you're in a big stadium or if you're in an airport, it's kind of the opposite of claustrophobia really. But you withdraw. Anyway, she overcame it and ended up speaking for 20 years to stadiums of people. Wow! Patsy knows a little bit about getting over that fear and to really understand how God made us to be brave and to understand the difference between fear and anxiety in that a lot of times people don't want to have any fear and don't want to have any anxiety, but that's not reality. It's what we do with the feelings that we have and how to manage those in relationships as well as our day-to-day life.

And when you join us on each of these webinars, you will not be seen. I know a lot of people ask that question. So you can join the webinar. The only people you're going to see is myself and whoever is teaching that night. Join us. You'll get access to it for a week after the broadcast. So if you can't make it this Thursday, for example, sign up and you'll be able to access it later.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: So you can watch in your PJs?

Becky Brown: That's right. You can watch in your PJs or your Sunday best. You can wear a hat.

Brian Perez: The "Freedom From Fear And Anxiety" webinar, I think it's going to be good too for anyone who's constantly on edge, who just kind of feels that that grip of just always in fear of whatever's going on, whether in their life personally or just when they see the events of the world. Sign up and to literally get more information on these webinars delivered to your fingertips right now, including a helpful tip sheet on both, text the word WEBINAR to 28950 and we'll send you registration links as well as these two tip sheets. You can also find this information at newlife.com. 1-800-229-3000 is the number to reach us in the studio today. Let's talk to Nancy in Bakersfield, who listens to the New Life Live podcast. Thank you, Nancy, for calling in today.

Nancy: Well, thank you, and good morning. How are you all today? It's Resurrection Week, so it's a pretty powerful week. My question is, I don't fly anymore because I'm afraid. I got on a plane that nearly crashed. My daughter moved 1,300 miles away. She just moved in December of 2024.

She's been upset that I haven't come out there to see she and her husband. It's hard for me because I have to drive, and I don't really like driving alone that far. I have a brand new vehicle, but I still get anxious even though I take my big dog with me. She's just been really upset with me. As a mom, I've made a lot of bad choices, and I feel like I'm a trigger for her because she's been so disgusted with me.

Becky Brown: Nancy, have you sought counseling about any of this in your lifetime?

Nancy: Becky, I actually just finished a year of counseling, weekly counseling with a wonderful lady, and she really helped me a lot. But our conversations with my daughter are so unpredictable.

Brian Perez: You know the format of the show. It is break time here on New Life Live, but stay on hold. We'll continue our conversation with you and everyone who calls in to the show today. We're going to be in the studio for two hours and we'd love to help you with whatever struggles you're going through, whether it's like Nancy, what does she do in the situation with her crippling anxiety about flying or driving and this relationship with her daughter. We can talk about all this when you call in to 1-800-229-3000. Dr. Jill Hubbard and Becky Brown are here to talk to you on New Life Live.

Hello, it's Becky Brown. I am so excited to launch our "99 for the 1" partner initiative. Every day we hear from people all over the world who are looking for hope. They've been lost in a relationship struggle, addiction, anxiety, depression, all kinds of ways, and it reminds us of the story in Luke 15 where the shepherd, they leave the 99 to go rescue the one. We've seen God work in the lives of so many people over the years here at New Life, and we want to invite you to be part of what God is doing. "99 for the 1" is our partner program that you can give to the ministry on a monthly basis to make sure that we continue to reach out to the lost. Call 1-800-639-5433 or newlife.com/99for1.

To find out more information about New Life or to order any of the resources mentioned on today's program, call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Now back to New Life Live. And back to Bakersfield. That's where Nancy is. She called in today to New Life Live at 1-800-229-3000. You still with us, Nancy?

Nancy: I'm here.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: Nancy, I am so sorry. We were just talking at the break. It's probably lots of layers to this issue for you. I'm wondering what else causes you fear in your life. Is it just the fear of flying because of this experience, or are there other things that limit your life and cause you great fear?

Nancy: There probably are other things. There are. Just I don't want to take up all your time to go into my history. However, I have had some events that have driven my fear. I was actually doing well, and then COVID hit, and then I retired. In my heart, I think wow, something flipped. I think I was very edgy during that time, and I just don't know if it brought everything in my past back up or I'm not quite sure why I morphed into this person of great fear right now.

Becky Brown: Nancy, you just said the timeline is pretty important here. A lot of people experienced anxiety or an increased anxiety during the pandemic, but then you talk about retiring and I imagine you're a woman of a certain age. Sometimes anxiety can come from hormonal changes as well. You're at a season of life where if you don't have a lot of interaction with people throughout the day, you can get stuck in those thought loops of regret and remorse and it just digs in the fear.

Nancy: I think regret and remorse have been visiting me too often. Absolutely. I did go to therapy for a year. It was kind of pricey, though, so I have done... the most amazing thing that I did that really helped me was I was in a three-year group therapy through a church with women that have had traumatic pasts. Honestly, I really didn't realize that I was functioning the way I was. So I really feel like I have insight into what's going on with me. However, right now my daughter is just she is hammering me and swearing at me. She is the Christian, thank God.

Becky Brown: Nancy, did you just say that she was swearing at you and hammering? Right, she's not a safe person. So that makes sense that you would be fearful about going to visit her.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: You might be very ambivalent about that. But it also sounds like from your daughter, while that's not okay behavior and I don't know what you were going to say something about her, daughters do get disappointed in their moms in our imperfections. At a time of life where you're feeling more vulnerable, she's perhaps needing you to be strong and wanting to see you overcome so that she can overcome. We're so identified with our moms, being female, it's like when we see what's down the road and we don't like it, we don't want it. So it's like, "Buck up, mom, because I don't want to end up there too, and I need to see that you can survive this." Now that isn't completely conscious, but it can come out in a lot of anger and resentment towards you instead of the compassion and understanding that would serve you better in that situation.

Becky Brown: My suggestion to Nancy would be that the two of them get with a therapist. This may not be about the travel as much as the healing of the relationship, of being able to see each other as adult women. You're not raising her anymore and to get to an understanding of that imperfection that you're talking about, Jill. And for you to show up for her, not necessarily physically, it's coming out in that way right now, but emotionally. There may need to be some work on writing a list, writing a list of thinking about all your regrets. So maybe you write down your resentments and then your regrets and owning that part that has contributed. Even though there's good reason for it all, it still has impacted her. To be able to offer that as a gift by having a conversation with her and saying, "You know, there are things I regret and I want to hear how that has impacted you," and being in a place where you can really hear what it's been like for your daughter and what were her hopes and expectations and her own fears.

Brian Perez: Nancy, thanks for calling in today to New Life Live. We're going to send you a registration for the "Freedom From Fear and Anxiety" webinar. It's happening two weeks from tonight. Everyone else, you can find out about this webinar by texting the word WEBINAR to 28950.

If you have a heart for helping the hurting like we do, becoming a "99 for the 1" partner is a great way to make a real impact. When someone reaches out to New Life, it's often a moment of deep crisis. "99 for the 1" partners make it possible for help to be available consistently, not just occasionally, but every day. Their monthly support sustains the core of New Life's ministry, including New Life Live, recovery groups, counseling intensives, courses, and scholarships for those who cannot afford care. Becky, did I leave anything out?

Becky Brown: No, you didn't, except for I want to just say if you think that New Life is helping people right now, be part of "99 for the 1" partners. You can join and a monthly gift of any amount will make a difference and keep the good work of Godly counsel going out in this world where it feels like so much is not Godly and needs counsel.

Brian Perez: Learn more about how "99 for the 1" partners make a difference by calling 1-800-NEW-LIFE or at newlife.com/99for1. Here's Michelle in Columbus, who is listening to us on SiriusXM channel 131. Hi Michelle, welcome to New Life Live.

Michelle: Hi, thank you. I'm 50 years old and have been in therapy not for faith counseling because I'm a brand new Christian, but in therapy for 20-plus years for the PTSD. The trauma was at the hands of my parents growing up and I've done a lot of processing and healing, but I know not complete healing. Since I've met Jesus and I have this relationship now with him, I feel like things are coming up that I'm thinking about from the past and even things now they're kind of triggering something. So my question is, how would I know if Jesus is taking me through a healing process for that unhealed trauma or if I'm starting to get depressed and maybe from these things?

Dr. Jill Hubbard: Michelle, I'm glad that you've become a Christian because that really opens up so much and Jesus is our ultimate healer. Without him, things look much more bleak. I don't believe you can have 100% healing. So there are things that have happened to you in your life and you can't erase those things, but you can move through them and let them not define you any longer. I think it's important to bring Jesus into all of those hurtful areas of your life. Just as your therapist has been, sounds like a good support for you and someone who is safe, to have Jesus with you all the time and seeking his help for what you're going through. Bring him into it and that is part of how you know there's healing. There's a lot of times where it gets worse before it gets better. I know you've been doing this a long time, but sometimes we do as much work as we can given where we're at and our limitations. Then we circle back around and we do a little more work when we're feeling more capable of it. So things coming up doesn't necessarily mean you're going backwards. It may mean you're more capable to do deeper work and that Jesus is allowing that for you.

Michelle: Yeah, I understand what she's saying and that makes sense that I have probably done a lot of healing over that long period of time and that now maybe I'm ready for a little deeper healing and Jesus is leading me to that.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: You're not alone in the process and so that's how we can help mitigate the fear. It's scary. You've been given a therapist that's walked beside you that you feel safe with and knowing that Jesus is going with us, that nothing can separate us from the love of God, not even the depths of hell. So that's important to remember.

Becky Brown: Michelle, you're asking the right questions because as a new believer, you're getting used to this relationship with Jesus in the process of also doing your own healing work mentally, emotionally, and maybe even physically because sometimes that happens as well. But what I was thinking about is that passage from 2nd Corinthians 5:17, "Therefore if anyone is in Christ, they are a new creation." So new life has begun in you. The fact that you are aware of these things that are coming up, you now bring them up and out.

Something that Milan Yerkovich, the author of *How We Love*, used to say all the time: "When we become new, we don't get our hard drive erased." Every minute that you've been alive is stored within your body, in your mind, in your soul. It's just that process and here's the bad news. Michelle, I don't want to scare you off, but we don't get it all figured out this side of heaven. That's what heaven is all about. This is a journey, but you are growing stronger every day as you lean into the healing process. An important part of this is connecting with other people so that you're not it's not just you and God. Jill and I were talking about the fact that sometimes people need counseling a lot longer than what they expected, but we also need other people in our lives. A lot of times that feels uncomfortable because people bring their own stuff and then we have to deal with that. But it really is God's design that we're not it's not just you and God. I would encourage you maybe to sign up for our Healing Is A Choice course work because it'll address a lot of that and you'll find community as well.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: My book that I co-authored, *Forgiving Our Fathers and Mothers*, it does talk about how do we go through a process of kind of forgiving people that are unforgivable and separating so that we can unhook from them emotionally and not expect to get our needs met from them. So we can put the abuse in its proper place and move on as an adult and not a child still wanting and needing something.

Becky Brown: Forgiveness is the work we all have to do. Exactly. It's not instant. It's literally letting go of the IOU that somebody owes you for what they did to you or the hurt that they brought into your life so that you can step into your new life where you are free from those shackles literally that keep you back at a younger age. A lot of times that is the biggest work we have for the rest of our lives.

Dr. Jill Hubbard: Not that it was good, but because of the trauma, the difficulty, there are experiences and new things that you would have never had otherwise. Again, it's kind of a parallel thing. You can still wish it never happened but also see how God has helped you through it. And he's been there all along, Michelle. He knew. You just hadn't recognized it yet. So he's been working behind the scenes. A lot of times we have blinders on and we don't see it all clearly, but he's looking from the beginning to the end and he sees that beautiful picture. And it's just slowly being revealed to you.

Becky Brown: I love that you can recognize where he's worked already, because that's also part of your journey is to see where Jesus has been all along and to see the provision that God has provided, whether it's a good counselor, the fact that you called us today. It's really important in our faith journey to keep looking to where God is showing up, God is providing, and acknowledging that he is doing that in your life.

Brian Perez: Michelle, do you have a good community surrounding you, a good church, a Life Recovery Group, things of that nature?

Michelle: I don't have the recovery group, so I might check out the Healing Is A Choice for community, but I do have a church that I love and it's a healthy church as far as I know.

Brian Perez: Stay on the phone and we'll get you more information about the Healing Is A Choice course, which begins the first week of May. It's a 12-week course that meets one hour a week, and we would love for you to sign up for that one or Take Your Life Back or Lose It For Life. Michelle, just for calling in today, we also want to send you to the "Understanding Your Attachment Style" webinar. You get to see it there from home. That webinar is this Thursday, April 2nd. Some of you might have thought, "Oh, I missed it. I didn't sign up and now it's gone." No, we had to postpone it, so we rescheduled it to this Thursday. Still time for you to sign up by calling 1-800-NEW-LIFE or text the word WEBINAR to 28950.

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