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Guest (Male): Welcome to the New Life Live podcast. We hope to provide help and hope in your life through God's Word, counselors, and psychologists as we answer questions from listeners who call with the challenges of life. Let's go to today's episode.

Brian Perez: What's going on? It is time for New Life Live. I'm your host, Brian Perez. We're going to be in the studio for two hours today. Tomorrow we're only going to be here for one hour, so maybe you should call in today if you were thinking about calling tomorrow. No, call today. 1-800-229-3000 is our number. We would love to talk to you about whatever it is that you're going through. We've got clinical psychologist Dr. Jill Hubbard here in the studio today to answer your questions. Also parenting expert Dr. Jim Burns. His friends just call him Jimathy, but he's here too to answer your questions. 1-800-229-3000 is our number. Jimathy, what's on your mind?

Jim Burns: I've been called Bumblebee, I've been all kinds of things, but never Jimathy. I'm just excited because Jill's here. Jill is our star. She's the star of our show and it's so great to have you, honestly.

Last week I was speaking at a conference in Mount Hermon. It's a beautiful spot up in Northern California, and I was talking to the people about the fires in LA a year ago. All of you followed this wherever you were in the world. But the interesting thing about the fires—my brother lost his home. He played for the Chicago White Sox, he has a home in Malibu because those kind of guys can afford homes in Malibu. It's kind of a rich place, and he lost his entire home. That's another story.

But the interesting thing is as shrubbery and trees started coming back, do you know what the trees that came back were? The ones that had deep roots. It's so interesting. I was there watching this over a few months, and again, my brother's house is devastated, but it was the deep roots. I want to challenge you today, no matter where you're at, no matter what's going on, I don't care if you're struggling with whatever issue that we get here—and we get them all—I want to challenge you today to dig your roots deep.

I've got an incredible quote by Kay Warren. Kay Warren is the wife of Rick Warren, who's one of the more famous pastors from our time. Kay's a friend and she said this. I want you to hear this. This relates to every one of you. Someone recently asked me how I survived my son's suicide. As maybe some of you know, that was a very public suicide. Matthew was a wonderful young man and he had a lot of trouble, and he committed suicide. So you can only imagine the heartbroken mother and the heartbroken father, heartbroken people who all knew him.

She said, talking about God or she said to this person, "I sent my spiritual roots deep into the character of God for more than 50 years. Circumstances tried to brutally rip out the tree of my faith, but the roots held deep." I want you to just ponder that for a minute with whatever you're going through. What we've got—one of the things we have to do—we sometimes want to band-aid our problems, but really what we also need to do is dig our roots deep.

Jesus spoke to this in the end of the Sermon on the Mount when he said we either build our house on the rock or we build our house on sand. Rain and wind and storms are going to come to everybody's life. I'm sure that some of you who are listening today or who watch on YouTube, you've got some tough things. It may be an estranged child, it may be an estranged husband, it may be a porn addiction, it may be so many of the issues that people call with. But what I want to say to you is that really one of the ways to get through this—not saying all your problems are going to go away, but to get through—is dig deep roots. Part of that means that we are committed to being devoted to God, and in doing that, we're in alignment with what his purpose is for our life. Never easy, but don't neglect digging those deep roots as you prepare for whatever's going to come your way. Good, bad, and indifferent.

Jill Hubbard: I love that metaphor and how so often we want the quick solutions. We want out of our pain right now. It does take work. I was talking about this in my small group today. We were talking about discipline. Paul said discipline yourself for the purpose of godliness, and discipline takes work.

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1-800-229-3000 is the number. Call us today. Jim, you were saying you're going to the gym now.

Jim Burns: Yeah, and the resistance actually makes me stronger. Sometimes when tough things come and there's some resistance, you can get stronger by leaning into it, digging those roots deep. I wasn't paying any attention to the clock. You're supposed to do that if you're in radio.

Brian Perez: Well, it is important. Let's talk to Jane in Louisiana, who is listening to us on newlife.com. Hey there, Jane, thanks for calling today.

Jane: Hello. My daughter just found journals and stuff in my grandson's room. He's 14. He appears to want to have a sex change, so they've now—this has become an open conversation with them. He's relieved that she found the journals and he's not hiding anything anymore, but she just doesn't know what to do or how to point him or how to point her out to resources.

Jill Hubbard: Jane, I'm sorry to hear this. We just are hearing this more and more about so many kids. Part of the problem is that things that adolescents go through—the confusion in growing up, the growing into an adult body, the relationships with peers—is getting concretized. I have had young people tell me, "Well, they say if I don't like myself, don't like my body, I can change that." So there's a lot of suggestion that is happening to concretize what's happening on the inside and change things on the outside.

The problem is long-term, we know it doesn't really work. But it can feel like it works for a really long time, and families go through devastating losses because really, in changing who you are at a physical level, you're saying what God created isn't good and I don't like that person. In fact, there's a lot of self-loathing that is a part of it.

So I think it's a delicate balance that you walk with kids, and you certainly want to take it seriously. Before you ever—my hope is that you would never do something permanent, but I think you have to walk through this with a child. Let's talk about it. Tell me how you came to this. Tell me about your feelings about yourself. What is it about who you were born as that this new person you think is going to give you that that person can't give you? Let's really talk about all the ins and outs and we'll be with you in this. So don't immediately dismiss it because it's very real. It's very real to them, even if it seems delusional.

Jim Burns: I love how you changed the narrative because I think there were seasons when this first started happening because this is new. When this first started happening, parents would freak out. I get that, I'd freak out. But parents would freak out and then they would freak out on their kids and they would shame them and tell them they were wrong. Now you've just not become a safe person.

Jane, what Jill said was you've got to be a safe person and your daughter needs to be a safe person. The way you do that is have your freak out, yell into a pillow, scream to somebody else. But with this child, you have the conversation and you make it something where you begin a dialogue with them. Why? What are you thinking? They know how his mom feels and what his mom believes. So now is the time to help work through it.

Here's the problem: At 14, when I was a youth pastor in my old life, my PhD is actually in adolescence, so I worked with kids like this. In the old days, they would cut themselves—they still do—they would have an eating disorder, and nobody thought that was a good idea. But this 14-year-old is now getting, because of social media and because of other things, they're getting incredible affirmation that maybe this is what they need. At 14, I didn't know who I was, what I was going to do, my identity was not wrapped up in Christ for one thing. So you're still looking. So a lot of these people are searching for something that they think is going to be found with a sex change and it's not going to happen. It just doesn't happen. What we're seeing is so many kids who actually go through hormone treatment, go through issues, they get to be about 18 or 19 or even 20 and they change their mind. By this time they're already in a mess. So make sure that your daughter understands not to rush this. Don't allow it to rush. Yet she's going to have to have the amazing strength and courage and literally discernment to not just be all preachy and lecturey or what she's going to do is push her child away. Does that make sense?

Jane: Yes. She's been pretty supportive and the letter that he wrote her was that he's so thankful to have a mom that's supportive. So I think it's just she wants to make sure he gets help. He's seeing a counselor, but not in person and it wasn't for this at the beginning. She's looking for her own, but because of finances, it's just a mess right now. I just figured you might have some resources for them.

Jill Hubbard: Yeah. I think the book by Preston Sprinkle, *Embodied*, is a good one. He is a Christian, he has a ministry to the gay community as well as the transgendered, and he has a more sensitive approach in not dismissing how they feel.

Jim Burns: You can go onto prestonsprinkle.com and you can get—that's a great book. It gives you hope. He also has interviews, he has a podcast himself. It's not always just on sex change issues, but he is really, really good. I've got a book called *A Student's Guide to Sexual Integrity* that actually speaks to that issue. It's for students, and I always challenge parents to read it with their child because a lot of times what the child doesn't have is they don't have a grounded sexuality.

They're all confused about their sexuality and in a chapter on that subject, I talk about authority and gender confusion. Authority is God's will. What I say is don't make a decision in a rash moment because some kid on TikTok said it's a good idea, but look at God's authority. We have to understand that the culture changes. We're seeing even in England and other places, we're seeing the culture change away from kids doing a sex change. There's some big changes happening. In the United States, I think we're going to see that too. So what happens is—that's culture. Culture was big, that was the big thing from the last five years, but what's going to be the big thing next? The point being is don't rush it. I think she's doing a marvelous job if her son is saying "Thank you for your support." You can support someone without agreeing with them. It's possible to do that.

Jill Hubbard: Exactly. This is the long game that you have to be prepared for. So it's like we're going to explore all of this for a long time before we would ever take it to the next level because—and it's okay to say—because a lot of times people change their minds.

I would look at how her son feels in terms of his peers. Does he feel accepted? Does he have a sense of belonging? Has he had a best friend? A lot of times these kids are bright individuals that feel socially awkward. So some of it is just fitting in, and so they find that they can fit in with this odd group. But the odd group requires adherence because I've known kids trying to get out and then they fear losing their friends if they change the way they dress or they decide they don't want to go in that direction.

Jim Burns: You know, there's a woman who transitioned and then she transitioned back. She's pretty famous and she's on YouTube and all those kind of things. But what's interesting is she said she did that because she had so much pain in other issues. It wasn't even her sexuality issues, but she had pain and she thought this was going to make her—for her to transition to become a man. And then she got to childbearing age and she went, "Oh my goodness, I have an innate desire to have a child." So she actually went the other way. She didn't get yippees from her community. She got probably alienated. So that's the other part that's so key. We have to be real careful, but I think when a mom does—it's so hard. The mom and the grandma need a support system around them to work through this because that's a hard thing. And of course, they don't want to talk about it sometimes because they feel shame.

Brian Perez: Jane, thank you so much for calling in today to New Life Live. We're going to be here for two hours. We would love to help you with whatever it is you're struggling with or what a loved one is struggling with. Maybe they recently came out and told you something that they're going through or maybe it's you. Maybe you were just handed divorce papers or you found out that your spouse has betrayed you. Maybe things aren't going so well at work. We'd love to talk about that too. Give us a call 1-800-229-3000.

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Brian Perez: Hey, we are back on New Life Live. 1-800-229-3000 is the number to call. Right before the break, I was talking about how you can call in and speak to Dr. Jill Hubbard and Dr. Jim Burns if betrayal is something that you're going through. And women, we know this happens often and we are so sorry that this is something you're going through.

We have a virtual gathering this coming Saturday. It's four hours from 10:00 AM to 2:00 PM Central time because many women tell us that they feel isolated after betrayal, trying to hold everything together while carrying this overwhelming pain. Rescue is the name of the event and it was created just for you. Laura Mangum McDonald will be there for a powerful four-hour online experience focused on healing, safety, and hope after betrayal. You don't have to have all the answers, just take that first step, which could be to register for Rescue. It's happening this Saturday. You can get all the details at newlife.com or by calling 1-800-NEW-LIFE.

And if you want to talk to Dr. Jill and Dr. Jim, 1-800-229-3000 is our number. We've got a few ways that you can get your question to us. You can leave us a voicemail, you can send us an email. Our favorite way is when you call in to 1-800-229-3000, but we understand that you may not be able to do that, so we've created these other ways that you can reach us. You can find the email address and the phone number for the voicemail at newlife.com/radio. But Marie in Florida sent in this question: "Is my husband right in forbidding me not to visit my children or for them to come home to visit?"

Marie says, "My husband doesn't want me to have anything to do with my four adult children or grandchildren from a previous marriage. We've been married 18 years and he didn't start out this way or I wouldn't have married him. But it has gradually escalated after the first three to four years of marriage. They all live out of state, so I was only seeing one or two of them once every two years, then once a year when they would come to our area. He wants nothing to do with them and I am not to talk about them. He says they are rednecked and those with a tattoo have a mental problem, which he says about everyone who has a tattoo. He said he would compromise and let me see my youngest daughter's family once a year at Thanksgiving. I would have to fly to Texas. When they come to Florida, they're not allowed to come to our house even though this was the land they lived on growing up and we have a five-bedroom, two-bath home. My husband doesn't have a full-time income, although he works six days a week at his own business, but he doesn't take a salary or any income from it. We live off my social security and my retirement pension goes directly into savings, which we don't have to use even if or when I take a trip. I went to a grandson's high school graduation and now in six weeks, he'll be graduating from army boot camp, which my daughter expects me to attend and it is important to me. I don't get to see my other children because my husband says that would take more time of me being away from him." So guys, what do you say to Marie?

Jim Burns: Marie, if you're listening, you're in a toxic relationship with that man. The way you work through it is to probably get some help immediately if you haven't. Why? We would ask you questions like, have you gotten some counseling through this? Is there a counselor, is there a moderator, a mediator through some of this? Because these are your children. My heart goes out for you and I don't understand all of the context. I just get that they wear tattoos.

Jill Hubbard: It doesn't sound like they've done anything, but he doesn't like who they are. So he's very judgmental. He's kind of doing a no-contact. We typically hear about no-contact with Gen Z kids or Millennials with their parents or whatever, but he's kind of trying to do a no-contact and I don't think that's the best way. It sounds like they're safe. If they were rednecks who he was afraid for his life or something, but I don't hear any of that.

Some things are standing out to me. First of all, that he's forbidding her. In a relationship that is supposed to be mutual and you're supposed to be partners, I don't understand the word "forbidding." So he's not allowing. They've been married a long time. It sounds like with him not working, I wonder one, is he just retired or is there some insecurity there? Jill, she said he works six days a week, he just doesn't take money. I'm just wondering about his own feelings about himself and if in some way, reminders of a life before him is somehow injurious to him. And then that it would take time away from him. Kind of sounds like an all-consuming guy, like it's all about him. He's not really caring about Marie. You give birth to four children and grandkids—you're biologically tied. Even when they're adopted, you're tied to those children. I can't imagine anything worse than a husband could do.

Jim Burns: I don't understand they've been married 18 years, although for a long time this has been his story. I just looked up a scripture that says submit to one another out of reverence for Christ. That's Ephesians 5:22. Submit means serve one another. So sometimes you go out of your way to serve your wife's need of seeing those children. I'm not sure. But I agree, they need to get some help. This is a marital issue.

Brian Perez: We're going to be here for two hours. We would love to help you with whatever it is you're struggling with or what a loved one is struggling with. Maybe they recently came out and told you something that they're going through or maybe it's you. Give us a call 1-800-229-3000. If you're watching on Facebook and YouTube, thanks for watching, but we'd love to hear from you too, so call in. 1-800-229-3000. We'll be right back.

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Back to the phones. 1-800-229-3000. Let's go to Susan in Cedar Rapids, who listens to us on SiriusXM Channel 131. Hi there, Susan, welcome to New Life Live.

Susan: Hi. I have two adult grown sons and they have families of their own. The one though has seven children, bio, and then he married a gal that has two children, so that's nine. And I have another grandchild from my other son, so I have a total of ten. Anyway, I have reached out and my husband and I both would love nothing more, we're going into our retirement, we'd love nothing more than to have a relationship with our teenage and adult grandchildren, but it just seems like they just don't have time for us. We're having a hard time dealing with this.

Brian Perez: Do they live locally, are they spread across the nation or what?

Susan: Oh no, and that might be part of the problem. We're self-employed and both of my sons work in the business and we're only like five miles away each direction.

Brian Perez: So this is an issue with the grandkids, not necessarily the parents like your sons?

Susan: Right. They don't come over to visit, they don't call, they don't text. When it's birthdays, they did come over, my husband's birthday was July 4th and they did come over, but you could tell that some of them didn't really want to be there, so they kind of left earlier. It's very hurtful. I have wept many tears over this. I don't know how to deal with it.

Jill Hubbard: Susan, what's the age range of your grandkids?

Susan: The oldest is 28 and the youngest is 14. And then I have four great-grandchildren as well.

Jill Hubbard: And when the kids were little, did you have more relationship with them?

Susan: I did because this son that has the seven children had gone through a horrendous divorce with his wife because she was an alcoholic and stealing money and whatnot. So I had to be the caretaker for these children then that were left in the home. I feel like that's why I feel so bonded to them, but now they don't feel bonded to me. I don't know if it's their ages, you know, I can't figure it out. I have other friends who tell me, "Well, you need to be the one to reach out to them, you need to call them." I don't know.

Jill Hubbard: I do think age does play a role. Little kids are very loving with grandparents and you can do no wrong. But you were also kind of thrown into the mom role. And now as they're getting older, they're focused on their lives and their friends and their activities. So one of the things is that I always say is that as moms, we make our kids feel young. So when they're trying to feel big and grown up, they don't always want to feel young. So there's a natural pushing away and moving out into the world.

You have to grow with the kids, and you have to show interest in them. Kids as they grow up, they internalize their parents and their grandparents. So they hold us on the inside and they often forget to connect with us on the outside. We still want ongoing relationship. So more of the burden is on you, Susan, because you care more in that way, the need is greater for you than it is for them because maybe they've already gotten a lot of good from you. And so it's nice to see grandparents once in a while, but their life, their friends are important.

I don't know how the your sons, what they do to encourage the contact or not. And also, we have to remember that seven of these kids had an alcoholic mom. When a mom is an alcoholic, it does a number on kids and can really cause them to be more detached and feel like home isn't necessarily a safe place.

Jim Burns: I think that's great insight. But they still need you, they need you as grandma. Grandmas come alongside and they cheer them on and for the 14-year-old, if they have an event, a dance recital, a game, grandma can sit there and probably might not even have interest in whatever the sporting event was or whatever it was, but grandma cheers them on. Grandma slips them a $10 Starbucks card. To the older ones, play that role, be what I call the party-time grandma. As much as it drives you nuts how they're dressing or whatever, you just let that go. You may have to change your role and you're now not the—because you kind of were the mom. They don't know you as grandma, they know you as the surrogate mom for a while. So play the grandma role. Pick at them one at a time and don't expect a 14-year-old to a 20-something-year-old to probably spend a whole lot of time stopping by. I wish I would have done that with my grandmother and I probably didn't. I loved this lady and she was the party-time grandma. So she came our way. When she was there, I was glad to see her but I didn't spend a lot of time. I was too busy with my friends and whatnot, but she played a significant role as I look back. She was one of the most influential people in my life. But you've got to reinvent your relationship.

Jill Hubbard: You have to change your expectations too, Susan. You will do way more of the giving and you will receive a lot less for now, but they will get older.

Susan: This son that had the seven children remarried a woman and she's totally different than the first wife and she kind of—I don't know. I guess I feel like I have to step back. When they first got married five years ago, I determined I was going to step back and let them have their own family. I wasn't going to be the mom figure. And she has taken over. There are still things that my grandchildren do—for an example, they went to the county fair and they posted pictures and I swear to God, the way they were dressed—we are a believing family. We raised our sons to love the Lord. And when I saw those pictures, I just got sick in my stomach. But somebody said, "Well, that's not your role though. You can't speak into their lives any longer because you're not their mother, you never were."

Jill Hubbard: You're kind of the displaced mom, Susan. And that's a hard role. You were there when you were needed, and now "Sorry, we don't need you anymore." And this new mom and these new ages—it's a whole different chapter of life and it can really feel like you were discarded and that feels very hurtful. That's exactly how I feel. It's really about them growing, embracing their new family, not discarding you, but they just don't need you in the same ways they once did. And that's something you're having to mourn and grieve.

Brian Perez: *Doing Life with Your Adult Children* would be a good book. Jim is also going to be hosting a webinar in a few months called *Doing Life with Your Adult Children*, so stay on the line, Susan, we'll send you a registration for that. It's break time, we'll be right back with more of your calls.

Brian Perez: Hey, we are back on New Life Live. 1-800-229-3000 is the number to call. Let's go to April in Columbus, Ohio, who listens to us on newlife.com. Welcome, April, to New Life Live.

April: Hi. I have a 10-year-old granddaughter who thinks she is a therian and then she likes girls.

Brian Perez: What is a therian because I'm not always up on these things?

April: My understanding is that they think they're animals—the spirit of an animal—she's walked and crawled in odd behaviors on the ground. She will wear ears in her hair and wears a tail.

Jill Hubbard: What grade is she in?

April: Going into fifth.

Jim Burns: I think there's a couple things you can do. I love your heart for your granddaughter. Stay in her story. She's 10. That means she's being influenced by a group of kids or she's being influenced online and boy, 10 is young to be influenced online, but she probably has access to online stuff. She's been influenced by a group that for some reason she identifies with. But if you think about it, like when I was 10, I listened to a certain style of music that I didn't listen to when I was 12 because my identity had changed. When I was 10, I wanted to be a professional athlete and by the time I was 12, I wanted to be something else. So one of the things is she's searching. The primary task of 10 to even up to 18-year-olds is to find their identity. Ten is pre-adolescent, but she's real close. And so she has found an identity in something that we all would look at and go, "Well, that's a little bizarre." But she's just trying to figure out who she is, so sometimes grandma can do an even more effective job than mom and dad at just showing love and understanding. She's probably not going to identify as an animal and wear the ears and the tail when she's 14 or 15. Actually, she may meet a boy when she gets a little older and she may go, "You know what? I'm not—I don't like girls anymore. I like girls the way you described liking girls: my girlfriend is my friend." Stay in the story. Be that safe person. Don't be the person who wants to say, "Are you kidding me?" Be that person who can be that loving grandma who can help her through the process so one day she looks back and goes, "Wow, my grandmother really helped me because I was really goofy when I was 10 and now I'm doing better."

April: How about parents who are like accepting or trying not to make a big deal out of it? The mom tends to be like—I said to her, "What are you doing on the ground?" And then the mom goes, "Oh well, that's exercise and it helps with your abs." And I'm thinking to myself, "No, it's hurting her wrists if anything." And dad's like, "Okay, I'm going to accept this, but I'm not going to accept that," trying not to push her away.

Jill Hubbard: Right. And so then everybody gets fearful. So it's either the over-anxious trying to shut it down or it's the fearful walking on eggshells. I think you have to be somewhere in the middle. I think you're right. It used to be that kids could try on different personas and nobody had a fear that they would stay that way forever. With this kind of behavior, again, the friend group becomes very important. Girls mature at different rates. Ten—she's already had a menstrual cycle—this may or may not be sexual, depending on maybe some of the influences around her. I think that you can be curious about it. Well, tell me what it's like and what do you guys play? And even say, "You know, I know—like for instance, when my daughter was this age, there were a group of girls that she called them the 'pony girls.' And I'd go 'What do you mean the pony girls?' She goes, 'Oh mom, they think they're ponies and they act like ponies all the time and they're really immature.'" Okay, well that was their form of play and those girls to this day are not ponies. It's where she's finding acceptance. So the more you can get her talking about it so she can hear herself, so that she can know what she thinks and believes, the better. And yet it's okay to kind of question. "I'm trying to understand that. That doesn't completely make sense to me." Have a dialogue and have ongoing dialogue with her. But she has to first feel acceptance. You love her and accept her no matter what, but you're curious about this new thing. We didn't have therians when I was little. Tell me about them.

Brian Perez: All right, April, thanks for your phone call today. We're going to be in the studio for another hour. If you're on hold right now, stay on hold, we'll get to you in just a moment here at New Life Live.

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