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Speaker 1

I believe caught and taught both are critically important. There are people who say more is caught than taught, meaning that the model is more important than the spoken word.

I'm gonna go bold here. Alright, you ready? I think a reason more is caught than taught is because we don't teach.

Speaker 2

Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I'm Ann Wilson.

Speaker 3

And I'm Dave Wilson. And you can find us at family life familylifetoday.com. this is family Life Today. Well, you know, Ann, I was reading this book and I found something nobody's ever seen before.

Speaker 2

Oh, okay.

Speaker 3

It's in the foreword of this book. And the reason I'm being a little. What's the word I'm looking for? Facetious. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Kathy, our author in her book parent.

Speaker 2

Differently, Dr. Kathy Cook.

Speaker 3

Yeah, doctor, you know, you just read this to. So I'm acting like I discovered this, but I had never seen this. But the Benhams, who we'd known we've had on here as they wrote the foreword, they said, notice this. When David kills Goliath and King Saul comes to him, he asks David, "Whose son are you, young man?"

And again, we're talking about parenting kids with character, biblical character. So, Kathy, you just read that, like, look at this foreword. I bet I preached that passage at least 20 to 30 times in 30 years. You know, it's a powerful story. There's so many different learnings, but I've never seen that, that they didn't even want to know about him. They want to know, "Whose son are you?"

You were parented in a way that enabled this moment to happen. So as you read that to us, talk to us about that. Well, wait, how?

Speaker 2

Read that one line, which is like a killer.

Speaker 3

The Venoms wrote, Saul saw something in David he hadn't seen in anyone in Israel, not even in himself. He saw courage. He saw. He saw a young man who stood unflinching in the face of certain death and boldly proclaimed God as King.

Saul could have asked him a thousand different questions in that moment of awe, but he asked him one simple question. Who's your dad?

Speaker 1

Yeah. The reason I read that to you is that we were talking in the second episode, which we all hope people will go back and listen to, and the first one, of course, you should do radio.

Speaker 3

You're good at this.

Speaker 2

He does have podcasts.

Speaker 1

I know. Thank you. We were talking about being intentional, and you had shared your story as parents of the goals that you had for your kids. David and Jason, who I've known for years, are very intentional with their nine children. They have nine between them, as are their wives.

I think they read scripture for knowing more about God. We should all read scripture to get to know God better and also to get to know ourselves. What are the lessons that He wants us to know for ourselves? It doesn't surprise me that that stood out to David and Jason because they are very much in the parenting throes of ministry, and they want to build up dads.

Much of their ministry to entrepreneur men is significant to them, but powerful, right? Oh, dads and moms show up. We can tell by our children the way that they've been raised. We don't say that to be a threat, but it's true.

Speaker 3

Dennis Rainey used to say often on this program, founder and president of Family Life, we're sitting in his seat. He used to say, if you want to know what I believe, you'll know by my grandkids.

Speaker 1

Oh, man.

Speaker 3

I mean, it's going to be lived out through the generations. And you talk about raising kids with biblical character.

I did a sermon years ago, sort of the opposite of what the Benhams pointed out. Like, so often as you look through the kings in the Old Testament, it would say, and he turned out just like his father. The whole sermon was, like his father, like his father.

And it's all bad. His dad was bad. Kid turned out bad. And again, that isn't always a guarantee. Yeah.

Speaker 1

And what a neat reminder to our listeners that it doesn't have to be that way.

Speaker 3

Right.

Speaker 1

You know, a small change. I was just saying before we started recording that it doesn't have to be all big major changes.

It can be small things that we choose to do differently long enough so that it becomes a part of our regular vocabulary, regular routine, and we begin to look for the positives so that we see the change which encourages us.

We can make differences here. We don't have to continue down the same path.

Speaker 2

Well, this book about character, as a parent, you're gonna go through and mark this thing up, and you're gonna apply things that I feel like we need to hear and need to be reminded of because the culture's not telling us this stuff.

Speaker 3

By the way, I'm gonna say it right now. You want this book, you're like, what's in that book? If you haven't listened the last two days. But send a donation. FamilyLifeToday.com we need your donations. We'll send you this book. Okay.

Speaker 2

Dave and I were talking about what are the questions we're hearing from parents today?

Speaker 1

Right.

Speaker 2

And because you've been doing ministry in this field of parenting for how many years?

Speaker 1

33.

Speaker 2

I mean, you're a PhD, you're a teacher, you are a professor now. You've been writing so many books on this, and you've been on so many different podcasts and radio shows.

As parents, man, they are struggling and looking for answers and hope. But biblical answers and hope make a big difference.

One of the things we've been hearing a lot from parents is they're getting this pressure for sleepovers.

Speaker 1

Oh yes.

Speaker 2

Spending the night at a friend's house.

Speaker 3

Or probably seven, eight year old, middle school age somewhere in there.

Speaker 2

Middle age, any age. And so I have all these moms saying, what do I say? What do we say to our kids? And they, especially if they're teenagers, they're so angry. So we're gonna shoot some questions, are.

Speaker 3

Angry that mom and dad are saying.

Speaker 1

No, that they can't go. So you can ask me some easy questions like what would I say?

Speaker 3

Yes, should Christian parents do sleepovers?

Speaker 2

There's a PhD behind your name from something.

Speaker 1

It just stands for praising them daily. Seriously.

Speaker 2

I like that.

Speaker 1

No, really relevant. I love that you are aware of what the issues are out there, and so are we; we have to stay current. I don't believe it's a good idea for children of any age to do sleepovers. I'm not a fan of even a church doing sleepovers now. Something like a D now weekend, where all the 14-year-old girls are going to be in a particular home, I think that's a little bit different. That's a very structured setting, and there's been a vetting of the home that's hosting, and they don't sleep much anyway, from what I've heard. So those kinds of situations may be okay.

However, way too much goes wrong. There's way too much embarrassment and shame, and there can be some really horrific things that happen. It's not necessary. Children can have really healthy and fun friendships and a healthy and fun childhood without the sleepover. Many of the children that I work with—so we don't counsel, but we talk to kids on a regular basis because we do chapel and different programs for youth—many of them don't want to go, and they want mom and dad to be strong enough to say no.

So now they can throw mom and dad under the bus and say to the host, "Hey, Renee, I can't come. Mom won't let me; I really wish I could." So be the parent who knows what's best for your children. If they're sensitive or easily hurt, or if you know that your kid can't handle no sleep, they don't get to go to the sleepover. It's not a wise thing for you.

Now, you could drop them off for game night, and at 10 PM, you pick them up. You could drop them back off at 8 AM for pancakes if you wanted to, and you could ask your child, "Would that be something you would want to do?" Some kids won't even want to do that.

Another thing I would say is you could host two or three kids in your home if you believe that a sleepover would be an environment that would help your child bond. With some kids, maybe there is some loneliness, maybe there's some fear; you could host because you know your home will be safe. But again, you don't know what three little girls are going to do in a bedroom in the middle of the night, so you got to be really careful there.

And we don't say that lightly. The answer is no. The answer is just no.

Speaker 2

And when the kids say, why everybody else is doing it, why can't I?

Speaker 1

Not everybody else is doing it, because you're not doing it. You know the clever comeback, right? We've been asked by the Lord to parent you. We're not parenting anybody else. We're parenting you. And we've sought the Lord on this. So that would be an assumption here, that they've prayed.

If you have goals as parents of how you're gonna parent, then this should be an easy no. If you have goals, this is an easy no. So you say to your kids, we have prayed and sought the Lord. It is unwise for reasons we don't need to go into. We need you to trust us.

Then, potentially depending upon everything, Ann, about ages and stages, you could say to your kids, have we let you down often? Or would you agree that the decisions we've made have kept you pure and healthy and wise? Have you benefited from our care?

Can you name two or three kids in your class that aren't cared for well? And you can tell by their attitude that they have no one they can run to when they're in trouble? You could potentially remind them that you are doing a good job as parents.

Speaker 2

Would you get into any specifics, like any stats or anything like that?

Speaker 1

Of what, depending on the age and the stage? I mean, there are statistics really sadly of sexual abuse that goes on at places like that. Seances and witchcraft and horrific stories.

And if you don't let your kids watch horror flicks, you don't want them going to a sleepover that potentially is going to have either something shown or something talked about. And it could be a five-minute YouTube clip. If you have a child who's prone to disagreeable spirit or prone to fear easily, that would be a reason I could share.

But it's hard, right? And because you don't want to say, in too many cases there's abuse, then they're going to run down their head. Well, James will be there and Fred will be there and Kevin will be there. Are you telling me that those are bad boys? So you got to be really, really careful what you say here.

Speaker 2

That's wise.

Speaker 1

I think the answer why not? Is because we've been told by the Lord it's unwise and we don't question his authority. We believe that we need to say no. And we're so sorry that right now you're hurt.

Here's another idea, too. If you don't want to host something on that particular night or you don't want to take them over for the board game before the sleepover starts, you could go to a movie with your daughter. You could go out with your son to a ball game. You could go roam the aisles of your son's favorite store the night that he thought he would be able to be at a sleepover and give him a good time.

So invest in your son so that he sees it as good.

Speaker 2

And that's one of the things we do, too. We would say to our kids, we'll say no to things that we feel like we are trying to protect you and we're just guarding you, but we're gonna say yes to a lot of other things.

Speaker 1

Oh, I love that you said that. Everyone needs to have their yes things.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

It's really hard for kids to handle no when all they ever hear is no.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 1

So as parents and grandparents, choose your yeses and you can.

Even in that moment, you could let them know, hey, you know, the sleepover is. We can't do the sleepover now.

We could do a movie and popcorn night until like one in. You know, is that something that'd be worth us hosting for half a dozen of your friends?

Speaker 3

Yeah. That's great.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Okay. Obviously, every parent wants to know, how do I talk about sex? When do I talk about sex? What do I say about sex?

Speaker 2

Gabby's like, don't ask me.

Speaker 1

Go for it. You know something? I think I've said before on the show, be ready for the question because it will come. I believe that you should share age-appropriate information and nothing more than that.

As an example, if a four-year-old asks, "Where do babies come from?" they don't want an elaborate explanation. They just had a chance to hold a newborn baby for the first time ever, and they're curious. So, you answer their question in a very light-hearted manner.

If a 14-year-old or a 10-year-old brings up the topic of sex, I might respond with, "Why do you want to know?" This could lead to various possibilities; maybe they saw a movie, maybe they overheard something behind closed doors last night, or maybe they genuinely want to know something. Then, you can provide a biblical answer to their question, which might shock them, but the Bible does have something to say about it.

I would be ready and ensure that the information is age-appropriate. I would also recommend having one-on-one conversations unless your children or grandchildren are close in age. For the first conversation, I suggest separating girls and boys, and then perhaps bringing them together later.

There's a lot to consider, and again, I don't claim to be an expert on this. However, I do know that in the teaching we do about conversations, many of my books have chapters dedicated to how to have these discussions and how to help kids talk more. When they ask a question, it's important to ask why they want to know. Understanding their motivation will help you determine how much detail to go into.

Speaker 3

Right.

Speaker 1

I would speak and watch their eyes because their eyes and their eye contact, what I call the eyebrow lift, will give away when you just hit on something.

That was their kind of curiosity thing.

And now you're gonna know to dig into that maybe a little bit more.

Oh, more, really?

Speaker 2

Just by watching their eyebrows?

Speaker 1

Yeah, it's the eyebrow lift. Have a parent face. So when your kid comes to you and wants to know about sex, ideally don't overreact; ideally have a stone reaction. Normally, we don't want to do that. When our kids come to us, we're all in, and we're like, “Tell me more.” Ideally, you don't have much of a reaction.

Here's the thing: if you look fearful, they'll stop the conversation. If you overreact facially, they'll either stop talking about that or they'll change what it is that they were going to say. They don't like your fear, they don't like your anger, they don't like your judgment. So ideally, we try to be really calm. Whoa, okay. Sex—that wasn't on the agenda for today.

So say something that gets your heart to stop fluttering. Then ask, “Why today?” Something must have happened. Why today? Why are they asking today? Something happened. Something happened at school. Something was said in a biology class. Something was said in a health class. They overheard something in the locker room, or again, they heard something behind your bedroom doors.

So why today? And then ask what they want to know. Much more, I would say. But that's what I would start with.

Speaker 3

Yeah. The next one would be porn.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Yeah. How do you deal with that?

Speaker 1

Carefully. With sadness. I am so sad. So I really believe that we should often say I'm so sorry.

Speaker 2

You mean if they're caught in it?

Speaker 1

No, if they want to know about it. Like, I am so sorry that you already know about that. That is not something God ever wanted to be created. And he sure didn't want you to know about it at your age. So let them know that the little heart wasn't supposed to be fractured by this.

So I am so sorry is a really important phrase. Again, I believe in the phrase I'm sorry that you're confused because confusion hurts the heart and it doesn't resonate with believers. We are not supposed to be confused. Then again, I might say, why do you want to know? What makes you curious? I'm assuming you've seen something. Talk to us. Many of them are stumbling on it. You know that many of them didn't know what they saw even. They just saw it.

This is why we had to be really careful about phones and devices. And I wrote a whole book on that. Because it's just a mess. And then I would be very truthful. Dave is. I would look it up in a dictionary. I would be very concrete and very truthful that porn is. You know, I don't even know what I would say. And it's not sexual intimacy. It's not what God designed for marriage. That's for sure. True.

So I would probably contrast it with what it is and what it isn't. And I would tell them what is supposed to be. So if they're 9 or they're 19 and they're accidentally discovered it, or they come to you and they're addicted. And addiction's easy because the body does what the body does. And they're not guilty, by the way. They're not guilty for that. Right. Their body is responding the way that God designed the body to respond.

Again, I'm not an expert, but I know that that's true. And then I would want them to know what the better is and what's better is a marriage between a man and a woman who commit to stay married forever. And intimacy and love expressed in an honoring way.

Speaker 2

Is there a conversation I know that you're gonna say yes. That we prepare our kids before they've seen it.

Speaker 1

Oh yes.

Speaker 2

How to guard against that. And how old should they be when we have that conversation?

Speaker 1

You know that they age younger and younger because of how young they stumble upon it. Or even if they see it, just silly cartoons and silly movies and shows. So if you don't have kids with phones and you don't have those devices in the room, you can delay it probably a little. Although they could go to a friend's house and see any number of things.

My gut would be that we would want to prepare them and say a reason we have delayed the use of devices for you is that it's really easy to see things that you did not want to see. You might search for a word and be shocked at what comes up, et cetera, et cetera.

As an example, maybe you've heard of porn. Pornography is dangerous to the heart. It destroys men and women in marriages, and you know, yada yada. As much as you think is developmentally age-appropriate, we are concerned because we don't want your eyes to stumble upon that. It's going to hurt your heart and confuse you.

We want you to know that if you stumble upon it, we're here for you. Don't keep that to yourself because that's going to hurt you more. Like we're your parents, and we need to know. We're not going to be mad at first, like if you found it because you were looking. We'll have that conversation, and we're going to find out what was the need that you have.

It's something we teach at Celebrate Kids: everybody has a need they're trying to meet. So you ask, "What's the need that you thought you had that you thought this would meet?" And so we might have those conversations. But if you stumble upon it, just come and run and be honest and let me hug you and say, "Okay, it's okay."

Then we can pray that God will erase the image from your mind. After that, we're going to go back to the policy where no devices are allowed in your room.

Speaker 3

How about parents struggling with maybe middle school, high school, maybe even older kids walking away. They've raised them in the church, they've led them to Christ, maybe even baptized them. They've seen fruit, they seen character, seen.

Speaker 2

Good things, at least at the beginning.

Speaker 3

Now they're starting to see, oh, no. And maybe they are strongly saying, I don't believe any of this. Mom, dad. Or they're drifting either way.

Speaker 1

Either way. And in some cases, as you know, they're angry at their parents for having raised them in the church. Cause now they think this was just nonsense.

I wanna say to all the parents or grandparents, know who you are and know what you've done. Don't let them rob you of what you know you did. Well, you raised them in the faith because you believe God is good and God is real, and the goodness of God is what we ought to.

And you remember the tears and you remember the joy of the baptism. Don't let the devil take that away from you. That is real. And you did good things by raising your kids for that.

Now the culture is what it is, and they're listening to other voices. So how do we make our voice loud?

Speaker 2

That's a good question. Every parent's like, yes.

Speaker 1

Yeah. How do we do that? You know? And this is hard scream. Is that what you're saying? No, no, no. I believe someone has a book coming out about screaming not being effective.

Speaker 3

Yes. He's sitting right beside me.

Speaker 1

So. No, we. We communicate on a regular basis in writing with little notes and not a scripture in every envelope. And we love them with their malto meltball pies and their favorite cups of coffee, and we talk about everything but this. One of the problems is that we get so fearful and angry. But you know what? Your kid who's walking away is still a soccer player. And your daughter who's walking away still has a fabulous heart for the lost people. You've seen it. She still stops at every corner with the hungry homeless people and passes a bottle of water. Compliment her for that.

You know, your daughter still kept a job for five years in a competitive field. And she's been honored again by her boss. Know who they are in addition to the fallenness of their heart and talk about all those things. Don't let them think that the only billboard that you see when you see them is, "I'm lost." Cause that's not gonna be endearing to them at all. So keep talking about the whole of life and the whole of who they are. That's part of identity formation.

And then we ask them; we have a right to say, "I'm so sad for you." Well, Mom, I'm happy. I'm not sad. Well, I know, but I'm just telling you I'm sad for you. So could you just walk me through, like, what's one of the voices you heard that convinced you that it was all a lie? See if you can find out. And then you go Google, research those people. Cause your heart's protected you. Pray it up before you ever go to that. But find out who they're following and you know, which pastor, which musician, or which poet or whatever. And keep being Jesus in front of them. Keep being Jesus.

Speaker 2

In other words, live out your faith.

Speaker 1

Live out your faith without apology. Be generous and be kind and be outspoken. Still wear the T shirt and the cross around your neck, but do more than that. Pray them in to the family.

Speaker 3

How important is, in your opinion, raising kids with biblical character? How important is it for mom and dad or mom or dad or blended family of all situations to actually live that? That as much as say that is one more important or are they the same?

Speaker 1

I believe caught and taught both are critically important. There are people who say more is caught than taught.

Speaker 3

Right?

Speaker 1

Meaning that the model is more important than the spoken word. I'm going to go bold here. All right, you ready? I think a reason more is caught than taught is because we don't teach. Wow. We tell, we don't teach. Teaching and training is different. I write in this book about teach, like a reporter writes. What is it? How is it, when is it, where is it? Who is it? Right. Gotta teach the details of it all so it is caught and taught.

If you have no integrity, they won't listen to you. So if you talk about joy, the second most important quality is joy. But you don't live joy. They're gonna laugh behind your back and you're not gonna have a way of getting through to the hard heart. So you have to do both the caught and the taught. And I think sometimes we're better at. And there'll be peaks and valleys, and that's okay.

When you realize that you weren't living out the joy. If you just had a conversation with your son, remember, joy is really important. You know, it's not circumstantial happiness, but it's joy in Jesus. And we can have this. You know, you just talked about it, and then five minutes later, like you threw a fit and there was no joy. You know, then don't. Don't walk away like that didn't happen, right?

Turn around and go. Kevin, I'm so sorry. I'm an example of real life. And, man, I. Man, boy, I was distracted, but I'm so grateful that I heard it and saw it. And I owe you an apology. I don't wanna confuse you. I believe joy really matters.

Speaker 2

Well, I thought it was really good just to go through these character qualities, because joy isn't one that we normally think of as a character quality, but it is the fruit of the spirit.

Speaker 1

And a reason I chose joy is that technology has taught kids that they can be happy all the time, and that's a lie from the devil, because happiness is circumstantial and you can't control.

So because they value happiness, I want them to seek joy because joy is real and joy is everywhere, and joy is in them, and joy is forever.

If you know Jesus, and I will.

Speaker 2

Say this is probably a value that we have is joy.

Speaker 3

There was a whole chapter in our opinion book.

Speaker 1

Love it.

Speaker 3

Yes, it's a magnet.

Speaker 1

Attractive.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 3

Your home's a haven.

Speaker 2

It's a magnet that they want to come home to. And my family, even though we didn't go to church, they were moral, good people.

I always, when I was at a party in middle school or high school, remember thinking, I bet it's way more fun at home than it is here. We would play games and we would have so much fun together.

And there's something about that, like, what's the atmosphere of your home? Is it joyful?

Speaker 1

Right, right, right.

Speaker 2

Is it humble? Is it resilient? Is it discerning, even brave? These are just such good words to think about. What am I communicating to my kids and what am I teaching them?

Speaker 1

Who do I want them to be for today's times with such a time as this? So the book includes 48 qualities. I also list some of the negative qualities so that we can discern and find them. But then there's that Baker's Dozen—13 qualities. And that's what you're reading. I don't want anyone to feel overwhelmed.

Gratitude is first because the culture is entitled due to technology. It's evidence of spiritual maturity. If you know Jesus, there should be gratitude in you and from you consistently. Gratitude is also first because it's an apparent virtue. Research indicates that it gives rise to other qualities.

Joy is important because it's not happiness that should be the priority. I don't want people to be unhappy, but I don't want them to prioritize happiness either, because research shows they'll actually be unhappy if they strive for happiness. The third quality is interesting, and that's self-efficacy. This is a phrase you might not know, which refers to believing that I can be effective.

We are talking here about character that changes culture. If I have self-efficacy, I believe I can make a difference. People who are self-efficacious believe they can do what they've been told. My favorite example is when a child is asked to fill the dishwasher. The child might be terrified because the last time they filled the dishwasher, they put a bowl in there that didn't belong and placed a cup in the wrong spot. When it was emptied, their mom threw a fit. I hear this often from husbands too: "I'm never going to fill the dishwasher again."

However, if you train your children on how to fill the dishwasher—explaining why certain items shouldn't go in, like any cup painted by hand by grandma, which can be damaged by the speed and heat of the water—they will learn. If you teach them respectfully, they will be able to fill the dishwasher. They will have efficacy.

Now, when you say it's their turn to fill the dishwasher, they won't throw a fit. They will say, "Okay," because you taught them they can do it. This is very powerful. Gratitude, joy, and self-efficacy are the foundation of first-time obedience. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 2

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What do you mean?

Speaker 1

People who are grateful and joyful can be effective. That's the foundation of first-time obedience. Where you say, "Go to bed," "Remember to call your grandma," "Stop gaming." They're more likely to say okay because they're grateful for what they have, more than angry that they don't have.

And then they're joyful, and they want to keep that joyful spirit and that countenance.

And then they have self-efficacy. I am capable of stopping the game. I am not addicted. Daddy taught me that. Powerful.

Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

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Speaker 3

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Speaker 1

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Speaker 3

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Speaker 3

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Speaker 2

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Speaker 3

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Speaker 1

Celebrate Kids.

Speaker 3

Celebrate Kids. What's that mean and what is it?

Speaker 1

We want people to celebrate kids the way Jesus did and still does, meaning that children are paid attention to and noticed and welcomed into community. And we do that by the spoken word. So I do a lot of speaking in churches and conventions, schools and pro-life organizations, Christian colleges, all kinds of ministry opportunities that we look for.

And then, like you, a published author, hoping to change lives through the written word, trying to be helpful. We have online courses, we have our own podcast. Just really trying to get the message out to people that small changes pay great dividends and children are worth the effort because they matter.

CelebrateKids.com is our website. CelebrateKids.com, and that's our handle at Facebook and Instagram would be Celebrate Kids, Inc. And we would love to have them check us out.

Speaker 3

That'd be great. And we'll put it in the show notes as well.

Speaker 1

Great. Thank you so much. I loved being with you.

Speaker 3

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Speaker 1

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Speaker 3

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Speaker 2

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