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Exodus, Jesus, and Finding God's Provision in the Wilderness: Nana Dolce

April 15, 2025

In this episode of the podcast, Nana Dolce, a guest and author, discusses the powerful themes from the Old Testament book of Exodus, particularly how it points toward Jesus. The conversation begins with a reflection on favorite Old Testament books, where Nana shares her deep affection for Exodus, highlighting its role as a foreshadowing of Jesus, the greater Redeemer. The Book of Exodus is seen as a narrative of God’s deliverance, with significant moments like the burning bush and the Red Sea crossing, and Nana connects this historical story to the Christian journey of salvation.


The main topic of the episode is Week 3 of Nana's devotional “You Are Redeemed,” focusing on God’s provision. This section explores the Israelites’ journey after their deliverance from Egypt, especially their struggle with thirst in the wilderness. Despite their miraculous escape from Pharaoh's army and the parting of the Red Sea, the Israelites quickly begin to complain about their thirst. This transition from praise to grumbling serves as a reminder of human weakness and our tendency to forget God’s provisions when faced with new challenges.


The conversation includes an illustration about a man named Chaz Powell, who walked the Zambezi River trail in Africa without adequate water, underscoring the desperation of thirst and the crucial need for water. Nana draws parallels to the Israelites’ experience, showing how their situation led them to bitter water at Mara, which, despite their hope, turned out to be undrinkable. However, God shows mercy by healing the water and providing them with sweet water and leading them to Elam, where they find twelve springs of water.


The episode dives deeper into how God's provision is not just about physical sustenance, but also about spiritual healing. Nana shares that even in moments of longing and dissatisfaction, God provides us with the living water that satisfies, as seen in the story of Jesus meeting the Samaritan woman at the well in the New Testament. The episode touches on real-life issues like disappointment and unmet desires (such as in marriage) and encourages listeners to trust that God, through Jesus, is the ultimate source of fulfillment.


The conversation also highlights the importance of prayer and spiritual practices in finding contentment. The hosts share insights on how moms and women, in particular, can turn to prayer to combat feelings of fatigue and dissatisfaction. There’s a recurring theme that despite feeling empty or frustrated, turning to Jesus and acknowledging the dryness in one’s soul leads to sweet mercy and a renewed sense of hope. The hosts emphasize that by relying on God’s strength and grace, even in the mundane aspects of life (like parenting and marriage), individuals can experience God’s provision in deeply meaningful ways.


The episode ends by promoting Nana's devotional series, encouraging listeners to engage with the devotional to experience more of God's redeeming power in their lives.

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Speaker 1

Whatever you're thirsting for, whatever is a place of disappointment, a hope that is deferred, remember that he loves you so much that he sent his son to die on a cross so that he can dwell with you. He is a God whose desire is to live with you.

Revelation 21:3 says, "Our place will be with God. He will dwell with us. We will be his people." This is God's desire. There is a love that he is pouring out to you, so much so that his own son would die on the cross.

He's not a God who's just distant, a God who doesn't like you. He's demonstrated his love in the death of his son. And the point of all of it is to dwell with you face to face one day. That's how much he loves you.

Speaker 2

Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most. I'm Ann Wilson.

Speaker 3

And I'm Dave Wilson. And you can find us at familylifetoday.com. This is Family Life Today.

So we started talking yesterday with Nana Dulce. She's back. Glad to have you back. Thank you.

About what I think is one of my favorite books in the Old Testament. What's yours?

Speaker 2

I have never heard you say this.

Speaker 3

The book of Exodus. I mean, you've got the Burning Bush, you've got the Red Sea, you've got Samuel.

Speaker 2

Like, I think 1st and 2nd Samuel are some of my favorite. I love David, but I also like Genesis. Like, it feels like a mini drama. There's just so much drama. And Exodus is as well.

Speaker 3

Nana, do you have one? Cause you've done them all, man.

Speaker 1

As you're speaking, I'm like, yes. First and Second Samuel. Oh, Genesis. Exodus.

Speaker 3

Yeah.

Speaker 1

I mean, obviously, I love the Old Testament.

Speaker 3

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about Exodus today because of your devotional called.

Speaker 1

You are redeemed.

Speaker 3

You are redeemed.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 3

But is this one of your favorites? It is Exodus.

Speaker 1

It is one of my favorites.

Speaker 3

You've got 50 favorites.

Speaker 2

Why is this one one of your favorites?

Speaker 1

I love the way that it points to Jesus. It's like a foreshadow. It's like a sign pointing directly to a greater Moses, Redeemer, who takes us not from physical enslavement, but from sin and prepares us to dwell with God.

Right. He tabernacles in us, but he's getting heaven ready as he's getting us ready. And one day we're gonna dwell with God forever.

And I think Exodus shows us that.

Speaker 3

So the devotional goes eight weeks yes. And five days each week.

Speaker 1

Yes. So 40.

Speaker 3

Yeah, so 40 verses.

Speaker 1

Exodus 40. Makes sense.

Speaker 3

And yesterday we talked a little bit about week one, which is God remembers. Where do you wanna jump week three?

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

God provides.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 3

Okay. Talk us through it.

Speaker 1

Absolutely. So when we get to this part of the devotional, we are host. The signs of judgment, the plagues against Pharaoh. Right. And the Red Sea. And all of that has taken place.

Speaker 2

So they've already passed through the Red Sea.

Speaker 1

They've already passed through the Red Sea. We see this major picture of Jesus, of course, with the lamb and the blood on the doorpost. So all that has taken place, and he's led them through the waters.

Israel stood on the shore and they sang this beautiful song. You almost expect everything to be beautiful now, right?

Speaker 2

Another couple days, they'll be in the promised land.

Speaker 1

I know you're free. God has shown himself to be a God like none other. You think that they're convinced, let's just go and worship God and be happy.

Speaker 3

What?

Speaker 1

Yeah, yeah. We're still in Exodus 15, they were just singing, and he showed that he is a God who is powerful. Over water.

Speaker 2

Yeah, over nature.

Speaker 1

They get thirsty. Their praise changes to grumbling and complaining. You know, the thing is, though, we're all shaking our heads. We're like, oh, those Israelites. But isn't that us?

Speaker 3

Yes.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 1

How often my praise turns to grumbling. I have a short memory. I really do.

Speaker 3

It can happen before you're out of the parking lot of the church.

Speaker 2

Yes, but we judge the Israelites, these Hebrew people, so horribly. But you're right. We do the same thing so often.

Speaker 1

We do, because when we're hurt, when that pain sets in, when that dissatisfaction, when trouble, suffering, that can seem more present and more real than that memory of God delivering and rescuing and hearing and knowing and loving.

And to be honest, these people were thirsty. So in the devotional that I wrote, I used this illustration of a young man named Chaz Powell. He's an adventurer, right? So he decides that he's gonna go to Africa and he's gonna walk the trail of the Zambezi River. And he doesn't take a lot of water with him because he figures he'll be right next to a river and can drink from it.

But at some point, he makes a turn and goes into the cliffs somewhere in Zimbabwe. He's, like, walking through the cliffs. He can see the river, he can hear it, but he's above the river and unable to reach it.

And so this article talked about what happens when dehydration sets in. A lot of us take water for granted because we have easy access to it. And so we don't think a lot about how vital water is for our survival. But if you're without water really for, you know, not even very long, right? If a couple of days without water, your head starts to ache, your heart starts to beat, there are vision problems. I mean, you literally start to die.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

So just imagine the Israelites, they have their animals with them, they have their little ones with them. So as a mom, oh, yeah, if I'm thirsty, that's one thing.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

But when my babies are looking to me like, "Mommy, I'm thirsty," I'm desperate, right? To care for those little ones, to care for those children.

So there are so many Israelites, they're tracking through the wilderness. It is hot, their animals are losing pace and slowing down. Their children are whining.

We can shake our heads at them, but I think most of us would have started to complain too. We would have started to grumble.

Speaker 2

And as a mom, you're right. That's when that mama bear sets him. Or like, I will do anything to take care of my children.

Speaker 1

Absolutely.

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

What do they do? They look to Moses and they say, "We are dying of thirst." They're grumbling.

The passage says that they go to a source of water called Marah. I can almost imagine them bursting out in praise all over again. Right? Oh, there's water!

But they rush to the water, and it turns out to be bitter. It's almost like a double disappointment.

Speaker 3

It is a double cause when you have hope, when you're hopeless and then that hope, hope becomes a mirage. It's like not times two, it's like.

Speaker 1

Times 100 times two, even harder, right? They're grumbling. And yet I love. Oh, God is such a good parent. I think he treats us sometimes like we do our two-year-olds who are throwing a tantrum. His mercy and his grace are most evident when it's most undeserved. Because we have just been forgetful people who haven't shown trust in Him.

Because what he does is. This is what it says in 26. He says to them, "If you will carefully obey the Lord your God, do what is right in his sight, pay attention to his commands and keep all his statutes, I will not inflict any illnesses on you that I inflicted to the Egyptians, for I am the Lord who heals you."

And he demonstrates that by literally healing the water; they drink it and it's sweet water. It's not bitter anymore. And then he does even more. He leads them to a place called Elim, where there are 12 springs of water. He waters his people, and they camp by that water. He is so kind in showing us that the source of life that the Israelites needed wasn't just water. It's God himself.

Speaker 2

Do you think that's why when they went to the first body of water, Mara, was that God's intent to show them that? Yes.

Speaker 1

I think it's to expose the heart and to remind them, I just parted the Red Sea. I can handle water. It's not hard for me. I am the one who heals you. I am your health. I am your satisfaction.

Even as I'm saying this, I'm remembering there are a few young ladies in my church that I've walked with for a long time. There's a desire for marriage. And each year comes and goes, and they're wondering, will this ever happen for me?

I mean, I spoke to one not too long ago who is just flat out. She's like, I don't think God likes me. This is the one thing that I want. He could give it to me. There's that dissatisfaction, you know, that thirst, that hunger for something that you desire. But it seems so far away.

Speaker 2

It reminds me of Psalm 37:4 that says, "Delight yourself in the Lord and he will give you the desires of your heart."

I've had women say the same thing to me. I am delighting in the Lord. My desire is to get married. Why isn't he giving that to me?

Sure, and those are good questions.

Speaker 1

They are good questions. My hope for this sister. And I never wanna just throw a passage at it and say, and say, here, take this. And you know it's real. It's a real hung. It's a real desire, just as when you're dying of dehydration and we feel those pains, right? I think we can acknowledge it and say, this hurts God and this is hard for me. But even this, you are still the healer. You are still the Lord that healeth. You're still the one who satisfies.

In the devotional, I point to Jesus coming to a woman at the well, a thirsty woman who had come to get water, and how he meets with her and points her to a greater water, a greater source of water that will be overflowing, that overflows. So for that sister at my church, and for women who feel like whatever you're thirsting for, whatever is a place of disappointment, a hope that is deferred. Remember that he loves you so much that he sent his son to die on a cross so that he can dwell with you.

He is a God whose desire is to live with you. Revelation 21:3 says, Our place will be with God. He will dwell with us. We will be his people, and we will be with Him. This is God's desire. There is a love that he is pouring out to you. So much so that his own son would die on the cross.

So I want that sister at my church to believe that. Yeah, he's not a God who's just distant, a God who doesn't like you. He's demonstrated his love in the death of his son. And the point of all of it is to dwell with you face to face one day. That's how much he loves you.

Speaker 2

That's a good reminder.

Speaker 3

It is interesting, too, isn't it? And you've said it so well that every pond, every well, every source of water we go to, that's not Jesus.

Ends up bitter, you know, I mean, even for your friend. Every married person would say, yeah, it's sweet, but it's also bitter. It's not going to be what you think.

Speaker 1

I did tell her, you know, and.

Speaker 3

Then when she gets married and experiences that, she'll be like, oh, this is good. But this is not the answer. I had the answer whether I was married or single.

Speaker 1

Absolutely.

Speaker 3

And I think that's another thing. What God was doing with the Israelites is he was showing them, yes, I am the only sweet source of water that's overflowing. What a beautiful picture.

Speaker 2

I like how you say it, too. You say, like a thirsty person who is desperate for water. Tell Jesus all about it, your disappointments, and confess your bitter temptations.

I have long conversations with God of confessing what I'm feeling, and he doesn't shy away from that.

And I love that you say when you turn to Jesus, you will always, always, always receive sweet mercy, because he is the living water who satisfies.

Speaker 1

He is for everyone. Married, single, with children, without children. We can all testify that he is our treasure.

Speaker 3

Yeah, I mean, how does that relate to both of you? Or Moms? You're in a stage that Ann was in years ago. You can get tired, fatigued, waking up at night when you feel thirsty because you're worn out.

What would you say to that, Mom? Is it any different than what we've said?

How does this water? How does this Jesus meet Moms again? I'm not the Mom, I'm the dad.

Speaker 1

Saying here, I would give that mom another very practical application. And I would say, pray. So my children have gotten used to their mother praying at random times right in front of them.

Speaker 3

Pray out loud.

Speaker 1

Yes. In the kitchen, wherever. Wherever we are. Confessing the bitterness, confessing the fatigue. Being truthful.

Speaker 3

This is how I feel.

Speaker 1

Yeah. And even in moments, like my friend, when I don't always remember or feel like God is enough, I can confess that I know this is true. Lord, I don't really feel it right now, but even this, you're able to help me with it. We have to pray.

So I end in the devotional. It wasn't for every day, but for as many days as it made sense to do. I try to end with an encouragement for the reader to pray. Prayer is such a means of grace, but we don't always remember it. I think some things we think maybe this is too small to pray about. You know, God doesn't care about this little thing that's happening right now. But, you know, my baby's crying and waking me up at night. But that's what they do. Every mom goes through that—pray, even if it seems like it's too simple.

I want us to be people who pray. Pray. Take it all to the Lord. Confess it. This is how I'm feeling. You're able to help. You're able to give the grace and the strength. You're able to change my perspective. You're able to fill up my cup. I feel dry. So let's pray.

Speaker 2

And I would say add to that, too. Dave first. That is so true, Nana. Like, I'm amening every sentence. Also, I have a little meter that I've grown to recognize in my own life. And when my meter of being filled with Jesus and his Word and his presence is on low, I've realized that my eyes and my heart will go somewhere else to fill me up.

First place I will go is Dave, thinking, why is my meter empty? Why do I feel empty? Oh, it's because of Dave. He's not doing this, or he's always gone, or he's not helping. Or maybe you become more judgmental. Or maybe you have, like, a woe is me or a pity party. Or you might think, oh, it's that I need a husband.

And so for me now, it's a little sign, like a little blinking light, like, oh, you're looking somewhere else to fill you up. But when I go back to Jesus and do all of the things you just said, I confess to him this is what I'm feeling. I'm in the Word. That water fills my soul up to the point where, like, you are enough. You are everything. You are my satisfaction. You are my life.

All of a sudden, all the other areas don't look as negative. And I'm not blaming others for my dissatisfaction. I'm looking to Jesus to fill me up so that my tank is full. It's the water.

Speaker 1

Absolutely.

Speaker 2

It's the water and the woman at the well.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Sometimes we forget, you know, God remembers. We forget, you know, and I was thinking, you know, you sort of hit on it when the bitterness that you're feeling, because bitter, sort of the theme today, I guess, is toward your spouse.

You know, we talked about kids as a mom and dad, but when you're feeling it toward him or toward her, it is hard sometimes to get out of that because it's like, I know Jesus is my answer, but couldn't you be nicer?

Couldn't you come home on time? Couldn't you put me in front of other people in your life? What do you do with that?

Speaker 2

When I talk about this, I'll take a sponge, a sponge from the kitchen that when you hold the sponge and it hasn't been wet in a while, it's dry. You could take your fingernail over it and go, it's crusty.

And so we think, okay, I'm just going to spend some time on the Word. I'll spend some time with God. And it's like taking a little drop and putting it onto the sponge, and it soaks in a little bit, but it's still crusty.

But then every day you're praying all throughout the day, all of a sudden that drop begins to saturate the heart or the sponge. And pretty soon it's so saturated that it's spilling out over everything, getting everything wet around you.

And for me, that's my answer. Like, saturate yourself with God's word, with God's people, with talking to him constantly. Does that make sense?

Speaker 3

Oh, yeah. That's good visual.

Speaker 1

Yeah. Yeah. That's so helpful when I do that, Ann, I think what the Lord does is he broadens my perspective.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 1

So when I'm focused in on Eric and all the little things he does, that brings the bitterness. Right. And it's not like the Lord says, oh, that's not true, Nana. You're not seeing correctly. Right?

Speaker 2

Yeah.

Speaker 1

Oh, he still does all those things. It is true.

Speaker 2

He may not even change.

Speaker 1

Absolutely. Oh, Lord have mercy. He may not even change. He's older than me. He's set in his ways.

But what God does is he helps me to remember. What I see is that father who is tenderly taking his children through the Scriptures. What I see is that husband who labors in prayer for me. What I see is that man who stays up, working hard to care for his family, even doing our laundry, folding his little daughter's clothes.

I remember those things as well.

Speaker 2

Because your heart is soft and God's given you new eyes.

Speaker 1

Yeah. And so one prayer that I've. That I'm learning to pray is, lord, help me to see my husband the way you see him.

Speaker 2

And then my prayer after that is, lord, help me to say the things that you would say to him.

Speaker 3

Yeah. I'm just wondering, because I know this has changed my life at moments when Ann's feeling that toward me.

Speaker 1

And I deserve the dissatisfaction, you mean?

Speaker 3

Yeah, I deserve it. I'm being lazy. Whatever. I'm just not stepping up around the house like that sponge. I'm not even in the kitchen ever using it. And I should be, you know.

Speaker 2

But you do a lot of other things.

Speaker 3

Do you speak those words out? I know you do to God because you're honest and you're. You're saying, this is what I'm feeling. But do you ever speak it to your husband?

Because Anna has spoken it to me. And again, she's writing a book right now about how to do that well. But there have been times where it didn't come out well, and it pushed me away.

The book's called *How to Speak Life to Your Husband When All You Want to Do Is Yell at Him.*

Speaker 1

We need it. And, you know, there's moments.

Speaker 3

There's moments when she was yelling it at me, but there are other moments when she spoke what she felt.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

Which was a hard truth that I needed to hear. And it literally changed me for the good. It made me wake up.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 3

To realize she's right. I am not being the man. I'm not loving her like Christ loved the church. Right now. She deserves it. She needs it. I need to step up.

So do you do that at times, even though we know Jesus is the answer, but I have to say something to him or to her.

Speaker 1

Yeah.

Speaker 3

What's that look like?

Speaker 1

Oh. As a young bride, I did not know how to do it.

Speaker 2

Well, me neither.

Speaker 1

I did not. I do think it's important if I hold something in my heart for a long time and I'm not honest with my husband. It grows. It's just. It piles on. And then when it does come out, it explodes, and it's not helpful to anyone.

Speaker 2

It's created a root of bitterness.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 2

Yeah. It's ugly.

Speaker 1

Yeah. But I've learned that I can say really the same thing, but how I say it produces a very different response.

And so I have learned I always start with prayer. I want the Lord to help me to see myself and to see my husband and to give me the wisdom to speak in a way where the intention of my words is not to beat him up.

Speaker 2

Yes.

Speaker 1

Or the intention of my words is not to take on the role ultimately that the spirit of God has in his life. He is his sanctifier. I want to honestly say what needs to be said and then be wise enough to let the Lord do the conviction and to let the Lord do the work and to actually really love my husband saying it, because I actually really love him.

So I think that we think if I go at him hard, I'm gonna hit him hard with this, and he's gonna see. Sometimes actually going the soft way hits him a lot harder than what I could have with screaming or with anger or with bitterness.

So I think a wise woman, as she grows in her role as a wife, comes to see that more and more.

Speaker 3

You are a wise woman.

Speaker 2

Now, I might be a little more wise than I used to be, but just at lunch, I said something like, eric, what are you doing? We won't get into it.

Speaker 1

Oh, but Ann, I love that because you saying it, it's perfect.

Speaker 2

She's like, yeah, you say it, don't.

Speaker 1

Let me say it.

Speaker 3

But I mean, at the end of the day, where we started is obviously the study's called, or the devotional is called God redeems.

Speaker 1

You are redeemed.

Speaker 3

You are redeemed. And this one was God provides.

Speaker 1

Yes.

Speaker 3

So the water. Even in our bitter moments of life, there's a God. If you're willing to look and willing to take a step toward him, he's right there to say, I will provide.

I can't believe we've done two days and we've only covered one topic each time. I was like, oh, we're going to cover four.

Speaker 2

And four people are going to want to buy this devotional and go through it.

And maybe you've heard Nana talk about these things before, but I just want to remind you that we have this great devotional video series that you can go through and that you can get that@familylife.com unseen.

Nana's answering the question, does God really see my pain? And we also have her devotional that you can get.

Speaker 3

Yeah, we'd love to send it to you. Just go to familylifetoday.com and make a donation to Family Life. We love you and appreciate you if you do that.

And we'll say thank you by sending you this devotional, "You Are Redeemed." You can do that at familylife.com or give us a call at 1-800-358-6329. That's 800-F as in family, L as in life, and the word today.

Speaker 2

Hey, I just want to pause for a moment and remind you as a listener, you might need to hear this. You are not alone. Nope, you're not alone. And whatever you're going through today, you're not alone.

I don't know if you know this, but Dave and I have a team at Family Life Today ready to pray for you. It's this incredible honor and privilege just to lift your name up to God. So if you need prayer, please, please reach out to us. You can head on over to familylife.com/prayforme. Again, that's familylife.com/prayforme, and tell us, how can we pray for you?

And we're not kidding. Dave and I have a prayer team specifically dedicated to praying for our listeners. Praying for you. I walk almost every day, and that's when I'm going to be praying for you. And Dave, you always fast on Fridays, and that's when you pray. Well, more than just Fridays.

Speaker 3

Yeah, just Fridays. But all day Friday, while I'm getting hunger pangs, I'm praying. It's like breathing. I'm praying all day. And often I pray for family life listeners like you. And, and like Ann said, you're not alone.

Speaker 2

You matter to us.

Speaker 3

Yeah. And God is with you. And we would love to lift you up by name. So Again, go to familylife.comprayforme and we will pray for you. And our team will pray for you.

Speaker 2

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