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Dr. James Dobson: Welcome everyone to Family Talk. It's a ministry of the James Dobson Family Institute, supported by listeners just like you. I'm Dr. James Dobson and I'm thrilled that you've joined us.

Roger Marsh: Well, welcome to Family Talk. I'm Roger Marsh. Prayer is one of the most powerful gifts that God has given to His children. It aligns our hearts with His. It invites us into a relationship with Him and opens the door for Him to do extraordinary things in and through our lives.

On today's edition of Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk, we're bringing you a classic conversation between Dr. Dobson and his dear friend Dr. Dick Eastman. Dick served as International President of Every Home for Christ for 34 years and he was the originator of the Change the World School of Prayer, which has trained more than two million believers in over 120 nations.

Now as you may have heard, Dr. Dick Eastman passed away earlier this year on April 21st at his home in the Colorado Springs area. He was 82 years old. Dick devoted his entire life to prayer and to carrying the gospel to every corner of the earth and his legacy continues to touch lives all around the world.

So we're especially grateful to bring you this conversation today. In it, you're going to hear Dick share the remarkable story of how Jesus moved in his life from a childhood of hardship to a life-changing encounter in a college prayer closet to a worldwide ministry born out of faithful, persistent prayer. It's a testament to what God can do when we simply say yes to Him. So let's listen in now to Dr. James Dobson and his guest Dr. Dick Eastman right here on Family Talk.

Dr. James Dobson: You and your team have literally taken the gospel to the ends of the earth and that's not an exaggeration. We're going to talk more about that prayer ministry that God laid on you very, very early and you've been at it for a long time. You have been the keynote speaker at many national and international events on prayer and leadership and evangelism. You've written books on these topics and you've conducted hundreds of hours of seminars and workshops including the monthly Change the World School of Prayer.

There's so many components to the work that you've done, Dick, and I admire you and I thank God for you. This training has impacted more than three million Christians in 120 nations and you are obviously a very busy man, but the work continues. We're so glad to have you here today to talk about this. You and I were in a mutual support group back in the 90s and we got together and prayed together, so we're kind of soul brothers in some way.

Let me take you back to your college days because you had a pretty rough road. You've always had barely enough money to support what you felt God was asking you to do and that was true in college, wasn't it?

Dr. Dick Eastman: Well, when I first went to college, I remember my mother saying goodbye to me putting me on the train and handing me a $20 bill. That's exactly what I started with. I had to get a job right away and just miracle after miracle of how the Lord sustained us and just set in motion the things he's doing today. But those are great times that really teach you to depend on the Lord.

Dr. James Dobson: As a matter of fact, let's go back earlier than that because you had a pretty tough childhood, didn't you?

Dr. Dick Eastman: My father, I never ever knew him having health. Even when he passed away as he was in his last moments, I asked my mother how long has Dad been regularly in the hospital for months at a time and she said, "I was thinking about that yesterday and it's been 29 years." Where up to three to five months or more in the hospital. So we just didn't have money.

I remember I was a paperboy and I delivered like so many young guys did. I had picked up the newspaper one day because there had been a track meet like the day before, maybe it was that morning, and it was an evening paper and I opened up the sports page to see Henry Aaron, my idol back then, or whatever it was. And there was my picture that someone was at the school and I was running in socks because I couldn't afford track shoes. And it had my name and it said "socks askew" running in the track meet.

Dr. James Dobson: That really does illustrate it. Was it really that bad?

Dr. Dick Eastman: It was a real struggle. It was a struggle and yet during those days, the Lord had his hand on us and working into my life and it was a season now you look back at and just say, "Lord, thank you for what you've done."

Dr. James Dobson: How many years have you been married now?

Dr. Dick Eastman: 51. In fact, I decided this one night late we were out together and I just thought I'm going to... and we're sitting really close and it was real cozy.

Dr. James Dobson: I understand that.

Dr. Dick Eastman: I said, "I need to tell you something." And she graciously said, "What?" And I said, "I love you." And she just jerked away from me, I mean literally jerked. And I thought, oh boy, I've missed the mark here. And when I said to her, "Don't you have something to say?" she said, "Well, what am I supposed to say?"

And I said, "Well, usually when a young man says to a young lady I love you, they say back I love you too." And she said, "I can't say that." And then I said, "Well, do you think you ever could?" She said, "Well maybe in six months and then again maybe never." Which set up an encounter with the Lord three days later that really changed our lives.

Dr. James Dobson: In what way?

Dr. Dick Eastman: She said to me things like, "We can still date."

Dr. James Dobson: It hadn't gone anywhere but if you want to hang around, I don't think I'd take that deal.

Dr. Dick Eastman: I was working all night shift at a grocery store to pay my tuition. So in the afternoon of that third day, I was in prayer in our closet, the big closet in our dorm room. The Lord just began to speak to me and made what now seems like unbelievable promises like, "You're going to be involved in millions of souls coming into the kingdom."

Well, I was dating Dee who had been working at the Billy Graham Association as a correspondence secretary. So I said, "Oh Lord, you mean I'm going to have a ministry like Billy Graham?" And he said, I heard this in my heart, in my spirit, "No, these will be prayed into the kingdom." And then all of a sudden, and this is no exaggeration, I heard in my heart, "And Dee will marry you." And I said, "Oh thank you Jesus, thank you." And then I stopped and said, "Pardon me God, would it be all right if you tell Dee this before I do?" And he said, "I am taking care of that now."

Dr. James Dobson: The miracle is he did.

Dr. Dick Eastman: She asked me to pick her up from work where she was working at the end of the day. And so I went and picked her up. She looked at me, I still can remember the dress she had on, and she said, "Let's go out to eat tonight." She's asking me on a date. After we ate, she said, "Let's go down and park by the lake."

Dr. James Dobson: Oh my goodness.

Dr. Dick Eastman: So I said, "Well okay." And we agreed on our dates we would pray together and she has a beautiful voice and sometimes she would sing, she sang solos with the choir in college. She looked at me and said, "Would it be all right if I sing?" And I said, "Well, sure, okay." She took both my hands, started to cry and sang the popular wedding song back then, "I Love You Truly." And she only sang the first line, threw her arms around me and that was our proposal.

Dr. James Dobson: We can see now that the Lord has answered that prayer. She has been your partner, your friend, your wife, your lover for all these years and she is one great lady and I'm talking about Dee Eastman.

Dr. Dick Eastman: She's had an office by me all these years. One thing I should add is that the Lord later said to me, "See what I said to you, I'm taking care of it now? I'm going to take care of the rest of what I promised you."

Dr. James Dobson: So your whole life really has been a fulfillment of that revelation in a prayer closet.

Dr. Dick Eastman: Oh yes, in fact, at 20 years old and so it's been great.

Dr. James Dobson: And really that led to Every Home for Christ. Would you explain what Every Home for Christ is? Are you literal about that?

Dr. Dick Eastman: We really are. It really is some have said that they appreciate the name because the name actually reflects exactly what we do and what our focus is. Every Home for Christ actually... sometimes people think I founded the ministry but it was founded in 1946 in Canada and became a literature ministry just sending literature to the missionaries.

Our founder was out in Japan with another Canadian missionary and trying to reach people at the train stations in Tokyo and for every one person they could give a gospel booklet to, ten got by them. They prayed that night, "Oh God how could we reach a whole nation?" And he put on their heart dividing the country up into prefectures and into districts and start a campaign to take the gospel literally no matter how long it takes to every household, every home. And thus was born the Every Home Crusade part of the Every Home campaign.

Dr. James Dobson: You're talking about people knocking on doors of people they don't know and sharing the gospel with them door by door by door.

Dr. Dick Eastman: Literally. And keep in mind that the early church in Acts chapter 5 when the authorities had arrested the apostles and they said you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching and we wonder could that have been literal?

Because when you get to the end of Acts chapter 5, verse 42 it says and this is how they did it. It says daily in the temple courts and to every house they never stopped proclaiming the gospel. So what we're seeking to do is to do that literally. We've now actually had Every Home campaigns in 215 nations.

Dr. James Dobson: Well how did you get involved in it?

Dr. Dick Eastman: During the Jesus movement in California, we started a prayer center for young people that when they finished high school before going to college, we asked them to give a year to come and help pray day and night prayer. And we called it the Prayer Corps. Ten years before that President Kennedy had started the Peace Corps and I thought the only way we're going to have peace is more prayer.

We started this and started mobilizing young people and over about four years, we had a hundred young people give a year of their lives. I've often been interviewed and said, "Well how did your prayer ministry begin?" and I say with a century's worth of prayer. What does that mean? A hundred young people giving a year to pray day and night in assigned times and that's how our ministry began and our founder heard about that and said to me, "Why don't you come and take what you've learned and put it into a School of Prayer and take it to the nations?" And that's exactly how I got involved in this ministry.

Dr. James Dobson: And you have been president now for how long?

Dr. Dick Eastman: 28 years.

Dr. James Dobson: Shirley and I were invited to a celebration of 25 years...

Dr. Dick Eastman: That was our 25th year as president. Yes, I remember that was such an honor.

Dr. James Dobson: And you showed films and slides of you being just all around the world. It's amazing what the Lord has done through this ministry.

Dr. Dick Eastman: It's been just our policy when we go to a home, our policy is to leave actually two messages, one for adults and one for children in the language of the people there. And then they can respond by sending a decision card or a response card to the nearest office and we have them all over the world.

And then we follow them up with a four-part Bible correspondence course and then we go into the villages where you might have 10 or 20 people genuinely respond and they'll even write a testimony of how they've come to know Jesus because that's a part of the last part of the course is to write your testimony. Well then we go in and start New Testament fellowships, we call Christ Groups and that's what's really been taking off in our ministry.

Dr. James Dobson: Well there's so many other components to it. The National Prayer Committee came along what, 20 years ago?

Dr. Dick Eastman: Actually more than that. I was in the very first meeting with Vonette Bright and a number of other prayer leaders. She felt led to call that meeting, the wife of Bill Bright. That was in 1975.

Dr. James Dobson: I've got to tell you something about this. I know this, I'm going to share it. That of all the members of the National Prayer Committee with the passing of Vonette Bright, a great loss to the Christian community and Shirley and I loved her, I just can't even describe. Tell me what the passing of Vonette Bright meant to you.

Dr. Dick Eastman: Well Vonette and Bill too, they're just absolute giants in the faith and Vonette, it's interesting when I look back and the Prayer Corps ministry we mentioned, it actually the vision for that came to me in November of 1971 and if you know the history, that's the exact month and time that Vonette Bright started the Great Commission Prayer Crusade with Campus Crusade for Christ.

So we have that history of being very focused on the prayer side of the coin of the Great Commission because I say one side is the prayer, pray ye therefore the Harvest, the Lord of Harvest will thrust forth laborers and the other side of the coin is the go ye therefore. So you've got the pray ye therefore and the go ye therefore and Vonette lived that.

Dr. James Dobson: Well let me tell you a story that's very meaningful to Shirley and me about Vonette Bright. Shirley and I were very close friends with Bill and Vonette. Of course they were the founders and he was the president of Campus Crusade for Christ. And we went out to dinner together one night and toward the end of that meal, Vonette turned to Shirley and said, "Shirley, I've been feeling the Lord would have me step down as the executive director or the chairman of the National Day of Prayer."

Vonette had founded the National Day of Prayer and she said, "I feel there are other responsibilities for me and I just am feeling a leading that you should succeed me in that responsibility." And Shirley smiled and she said, "Vonette, I really can't do that. We have a very busy plate. We have two children we're raising and I serve on Jim's board of directors and that requires a lot of me and so I thank you but I just really can't do it."

And Vonette smiled and she said, "Well Shirley, will you at least pray about it?" And Shirley said, "Of course I will." And the more Shirley prayed about Vonette's request, the more she felt God's hand in her back. And finally Shirley said in her own prayer before the Lord, "If you really want me to do this, I would like you to confirm it in two ways. The first is for Vonette to ask me again. I'm not going to respond to her, but if you want me to do this, I just pray that you will tell me through Vonette.

Secondly," she said, "I would like you to confirm with Jim that this is something I ought to do." Shirley talked to me one night about it and said this request had been made of her by Vonette Bright. And Shirley knew I would say no because we were too busy for anything else. And instead I said, "Shirley, what more important thing can you possibly do than calling the nation to prayer?"

So Shirley said, "Lord, I will do it." And it has been a labor of love and frankly, it's one of the things I'm most proud of in Shirley's Christian walk, including of course the raising of our two children, but Shirley has carried that responsibility and done it very, very well and Vonette is responsible for it. And now of course she's gone on to be with the Lord and she was one great godly lady. We absolutely loved Vonette and Bill Bright and thank God for them and we're going to see them again someday in heaven.

Dr. Dick Eastman: It was incredible and I the one thing I should comment too was that during the days of the founding of the Prayer Corps and I was doing some conferences in Christian colleges where God spontaneously would begin to speak at the end of some of our meetings of young people to sacrifice things that stood between them and the Lord. Actually the Purple Pig is it became a book, one of my books is titled *The Purple Pig and Other Miracles*.

In that book I tell some of the stories that were just incredible. Can you imagine young people coming to the altar and like I remember one young lady coming in one college and bringing her violin and I said, "Why are you bringing your violin?" And she said, "This has been my whole life." And she said, "I've won many awards but I've only done it for myself and I don't even want to pick this violin up again if I can't do it for the glory of the Lord."

Well that started happening with young people in one college. There were about 8 or 10 young people and I imagine that something sparked others doing it. But when out to their car and brought some actually took out of their car their stereos where they were playing rock music. It was just in one way I want to say crazy but it was really amazing.

Well I was going into a big conference in Michigan and I knew God wanted to do the same thing in that conference with these young people. There were about 2,000 there. That afternoon in prayer, the Lord asked me if I was willing to give up everything I had and I said, "Sure, everything." Even all the money you have on you sure and then I said, "Well Lord, could I just keep $2?" He knew what I was going to say.

I always buy our daughter Dina, who was just three years old then, a gift at the airport when I go and can I just... He said, "Well how much do you love me? Do you really..." And I just wept and said, "Okay Lord, I'm going to give it all." Well I came home from that trip and didn't have a gift for my daughter and she was kind of acting up. Dina was a little three-year-old and she was expecting something.

The next morning or the next morning after that, I opened the front door and there was a gigantic box that had come from some place in Michigan and when I opened it up it said for your daughter and it makes me want to cry now. It was this giant stuffed purple pig. What I forgot to say about what I was in prayer that afternoon in this auditorium alone before the meeting, the Lord said to me and this was the lesson of the purple pig, "If you will give me everything you have, I will give you everything I have." And I thought, that's a good deal.

Roger Marsh: Well that promise that Dr. Dick Eastman received in a quiet auditorium all those years ago still speaks to every one of us today. "If you give me everything you have, I will give you everything I have," the Lord says to us. You're listening to a special edition of Dr. James Dobson's Family Talk and a classic conversation featuring Dr. Dobson and his dear friend Dr. Dick Eastman.

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