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Guest (Male): This is Viewpoint with attorney and author Chuck Crismier. Viewpoint is a one-hour talk show confronting the issues of America’s heart and home. And now, with today’s edition of Viewpoint, here is Chuck Crismier.

Chuck Crismier: The year was 1995 and I have in my hands a copy or recording of the address I gave to the California Republican Assembly. It was titled "Restoring Integrity in America." Now, this was a gathering of conservative Republicans, many of whom professed to be Bible-believing Christians.

I addressed them in accordance with the understanding that that’s who we were speaking to—a group of California Republicans who were conservative in their orientation and also Christian in their beliefs. As I spoke with them, I began to realize that they weren’t necessarily all that receptive to what was being shared.

In fact, they had expected, I think, to receive a rah-rah kind of exhortation concerning conservative politics, and we win and they lose, and that kind of thing. But that’s not what was said. What we talked about was the inner being, the very heart of our country and of we, the people. They didn’t feel comfortable talking about their hearts and their lives.

Somehow they thought that it’s the other guy. It’s those guys out there that wear the black hat, and we wear the white hat, and therefore don’t address us as if there’s any gray in our hat. It was a bit uncomfortable afterward. Someone came to me and said, "We didn’t expect to hear a sermon today. We could go to church and get that."

So, how do you deal with the subject of integrity in our country if you don’t deal with the moral and spiritual issues? It’s almost impossible because the moral and spiritual are at the very heart of the meaning of integrity in our country.

Today on Viewpoint, we’re going to take a very unusual look, a very interesting approach to this subject. We’re going to go to God Himself. As I was preparing and thinking about today’s program, this question came to my mind: Are there any things that God will not do? Is there anything that God will not do?

If He is God and He’s King of the universe, and He sent His only begotten Son in the fullness of time to give us the hope of redemption because we were all under a death penalty because of the wages of sin, then it would be important for us to know what God Himself would not do, wouldn’t it?

I began to contemplate that and jot down a number of things that came to my mind that God would not do. I came up with 12. There may be more, but I came up with 12. You can call them the dirty dozen or the holy dozen.

God’s integrity is not for sale. His integrity is not for sale, and His kingdom does not run on the economy of the barter system. So today on Viewpoint, we’re going to take a look at these 12 items, these things that God will not do. Now you want to know what God will do, but if you know what He won’t do, that leaves an awful lot of things out there that He will do.

Are you interested? Would you like to know the things that God will not do? It might actually go to helping us to understand what integrity might look like in our country. Then in the second half of the program, we’re going to hear from a woman in Michigan. I’m looking at her beautiful face right now.

She was on the Detroit City Council. She also was a representative, a Democrat representative for the state of Michigan for eight years and is not anymore. Why would that be? She’s going to tell us right here in the second half of the program today. You don’t want to miss it.

So let’s take a look at these things that God would not do. First of all, He will not fail. We used to sing a song about never failing. God can do anything, anything, anything. He can do anything but fail. Why is that? Because He’s God.

He knows the end from the beginning. He’s omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient. He can do nothing but fail—He cannot fail because what He determines will succeed. So God will not fail. No matter what you think, no matter what you think is happening, He will not fail to accomplish His purposes, His will, His word, and His ways.

Which brings us to the second point, and that is God will not allow His word to become void. He said, "My word shall not become void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it." His word will not be allowed to become void.

In other words, when God writes His word, which He has written by the inspiration of the prophets, it is as good as gold. That is God’s gold standard. It’s the gold standard because it’s God’s standard. His word has been elevated so greatly that as the Scripture says, He elevated His word even above His own name.

Let me ask you a question as we move forward here. How highly have you elevated your word? How high do people take your word? Is your word your bond? When you say something, do people believe it? Why do they believe it? Is it because of the emphasis that you put on it, or is it because you have a pattern of always keeping your word?

And you always speak the truth. If you always speak the truth, then you never have to come through and try to adjust for not speaking the truth and make explanations for it. God never has to make an explanation for His word. His word will never become void.

In other words, it will accomplish the thing whereto He sent it. Which means it was sent for a purpose. It was spoken by faith. He spoke the worlds into existence. Jesus spoke the worlds into existence by faith, and indeed, that’s how we are to operate as well.

So if we’re going to operate in integrity, our word in America has to be our bond, right? The word in the church has to be the truth. You can’t modify it. You can’t barter it. You can’t adjust it in order to try to make it more palatable to other people.

You can’t do that because when you do that, you’re in effect lying. You’re deceiving. You’re saying, "Well, yes, but this is what God said, yes, but..." So we can’t do that. That’s one of the things that God will not do. He will not adjust His word. He will not lie.

God says, "I am not a man that I should lie." Now if God is not a man that He should lie, why would we lie if we’re part of His kingdom? So He says, "Lie not." You were that kind of people, but you’re born again, so why are you lying? Why are you deceiving? God will not lie, and neither should we. Can you imagine what would happen in America if nobody lied? We’ll be right back.

Guest (Male): Once upon a time, children could pray and read their Bibles in school. Divorces were practically unknown, as was child abuse. In our once-great America, virginity and chastity were popular virtues, and homosexuality was an abomination. So what happened in just one generation?

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Chuck Crismier: If we’re to understand how to restore integrity in our country, perhaps we should begin with understanding the things that God will not do. If God will not do these things, perhaps that would tell us what we should not do and how we should fit in with God’s plan, purposes, and if we say, like the lawyer that gave us our national anthem and that gave us our national motto, Francis Scott Key out there in Baltimore Harbor wrote on a napkin our national anthem.

The second stanza says, "Oh, thus be it ever, when free men shall stand between their loved homes and the war's desolation! Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation." The Power. Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation. No place for pride then.

God doesn’t have to be proud because He’s God. But if we elevate ourselves to equality or try to dance along with being equal to God, then we are walking in pride. "Oh, thus be it ever, when free men shall stand between their loved homes and the war's desolation! Blest with victory and peace, may the heaven-rescued land praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation. Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just."

How do we know if our cause was just? If it lined up with the things that God would not do. If it lined up with the things that God would not do, then it most likely will line up with the things that God would do and would expect us to do, right? "Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just, and this be our motto: In God is our trust."

Well, if God is our trust, then we’re going to agree with Him, right? And if He’s exalted His word above His name, then we’re going to exalt His word above His name also, right? We’re not going to modify it. We’re not going to try to marginalize it, make it seem sweeter, nicer, softer. We’re going to speak it in the way that God speaks it. It’s going to be straight out.

And so God says, "I will not negotiate my will." Now He doesn’t use that word, "negotiate." But have you noticed how many people, professing Christians, even pastors, want to try to negotiate the will of God? How do you negotiate the will of God?

Well, the same way Satan tried to get Eve to negotiate the will of God in the garden. How did he do that? He asked the question, "Hath God said?" That’s all he had to do. And she said, "Yes," and then he said, "But," and then he tried to put a spin on what God meant. He put his own version on what God had said and thereby deceived Eve.

He tried to get her to negotiate with what God had said. He was the agent of the negotiation. But he had already done that and caused himself to be cast out with a third of the angels from heaven because of his rebellion. He tried to negotiate with God and become equal—thereby become equal with God. God says, "No, I don’t negotiate my will."

My will is going to happen. My word is not going to become void. I will not negotiate my will. So if God says that the practice of homosexuality or sodomy is an abomination in His eyes, that’s an expression of His will. That is something not to be negotiated.

If you disagree with it, you’re making yourself thus equal with God. That’s how Satan works. And therefore, you’re compromising the integrity of your country. There’s no other way around it. You’re necessarily compromising the integrity of your company, country, because God says, "I will not bless that nation whose God is not the Lord."

Blessed is that nation whose God is the Lord. Even Abraham Lincoln repeated that, quoted what the Scripture said. So if there are other gods or if we make ourselves a co-equal God, then in fact we are actually worshipping other gods.

Isn’t it interesting that about 20 years ago, Time Magazine came out with a little article called "In So Many Gods We Trust." Now, this was about 20, 25 years ago. Time Magazine: "In So Many Gods We Trust." Really? You see our problem?

We were not in a position to be blessed by God as a country. We were trusting other gods, including ourselves, that we had made into quasi-gods. Now, if you think that’s pretty strange, try another Time Magazine article that came out on April 5th, 1993, right after Gulf War I, when men and women were afraid.

They were flooding back to America’s churches, and everybody thought this is the great revival we’ve been praying for. This was right as we were getting ready to launch this radio program and had launched Save America Ministries. What was the condition?

Well, Time Magazine noted that all these people were flooding back to church. But they said church would never again be the same. Why? Because Americans were looking for a custom-made God, one made in their own image. In other words, even Time Magazine, that liberal business or liberal news magazine, realized that Americans were making themselves equal with God.

So, by doing that, they were attempting to negotiate with God to have God agree with their viewpoints rather than human beings agree with His. This is not that difficult to figure out. It’s not that difficult to understand if we’re willing.

The Bible says that Jesus Himself said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man will come to the Father but by me." So God will not save anybody except through Jesus Christ. He’s not going to save them through Krishna. He’s not going to save them through Muhammad. He’s not going to save them through any New Age guru.

He’s only going to save people through Jesus Christ. He will not countenance any other way. There is no other way. Now, interestingly, let’s suppose that you’ve become a follower of Jesus Christ. You become a believer. You become His disciple.

Well, the Scripture says, "I will never leave you nor forsake you." One of the things that God will not do is leave you nor forsake you. But here’s the problem: He didn’t say you can’t leave Him. He said, "I’m not going to leave you, but you can leave me." In other words, you have freedom of will.

Without that, you don’t have freedom of will. You’re a spiritual automaton. You’re being puppet-stringed by God as a puppeteer. No. God will never leave you nor forsake you if you don’t forsake Him. The biggest little word in the Bible is the word "if." If you, then I. If you, then I. If you, then I.

And it’s not just in the Old Testament; it’s in the New Testament. If. You see, the "ifs" of our lives determine whether or not we’re living as people of integrity, whether or not our country is living in integrity. So 2 Chronicles 7:14, quoted ad nauseam for the past 50 years: "If my people, which are called by my name, would humble themselves and seek my face and turn from their wicked way and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked way, then I would hear from heaven, forgive their sin, and heal their land."

Notice it began with "if." If what? If my people. It doesn’t say if the liberals, the abortionists, the homosexuals, Slick Willy in the White House, Barack Obama, or Joseph Biden or anybody else. It says "if my people." So the issue as to restoring the integrity in America has to do with God’s people, God’s foremost audience.

One of the things that God will not do is forsake us, but we can forsake Him. As a sign said once that we keep in our home: If you don’t feel close to God, guess who moved? If you don’t feel close to God, guess who moved? How do we do that?

Well, interestingly, and this might be hard for some people to understand, but several times in the Scriptures, God says, "I’m not going to answer your prayer." In fact, He told Isaiah and He told Jeremiah, "Do not pray for these people." What people was He talking about? People who called themselves by His name. His chosen people, Israel. He said, "Don’t pray for them."

Why did God say Isaiah and Jeremiah should not pray for them? Because they were rebellious. They were not walking according to His word, His will, and His ways. So one thing that God will not do is answer the prayer of a rebel.

If you want to disk God’s word, if you want to disagree with what He says about any issue, He has no obligation to answer your prayers. None. Why? Because you’re not following in His ways. The only prayer that God has an obligation to answer through His mercy and by His grace to a person who has been a rebel is the prayer of forgiveness, of repentance, confession of sin, and repentance.

That’s the only prayer. Any other prayer, God is not obligated in any way to answer. In fact, He won’t. Now, that leads a lot of people to be ungrateful and that leads a lot of people to say, "Well, God isn’t God and He doesn’t keep His word." No, it’s you who don’t keep your word. It’s you who don’t keep His word. You see how that works?

Now, God will not bless the ungrateful. Again, we’re talking about 12 things that God will not do. He will not bless the ungrateful. Why? Because this, He said, "This is the will of God concerning you: be ye thankful." Do you realize that the lack of gratitude resulted in complaining and bitterness and lack of trust, keeping almost all of the children of Israel who were 20 years of age and older that God took out of Egypt, keeping them from the promised land?

He said, "I’m not letting them in." Why? Because they refused to obey His voice. They were ungrateful and bellyached and complained. Is that one of—are you like that? I hope not. But in America, we’ve become very much like that.

You see, we’re talking about how to restore integrity in our country. Next, God will not give His spirit to the disobedient. Did you hear that? God will not give His spirit to the disobedient. In fact, Peter and John, testifying to the religious leaders of his day who had arrested them for teaching and preaching and healing in the name of Jesus, said, "God gives His spirit only to those who obey Him." And it infuriated the leaders.

Are you obeying Him? You see, blessed is that nation whose God is the Lord and that nation who blesses the Lord by obeying Him. That’s how it works. So God will not give His spirit to the disobedient. Next, He will not bless a nation of other gods. We already mentioned that.

Even if they’re made of the people, the inhabitants who are making themselves equal to God by disagreeing with what God has said. God is a Father, and He wants His children to obey Him. If His children do not obey Him, they’re not going to get the blessings of the household. People will say, "Well, yes, but God’s grace is given unconditionally." That’s true. But the blessings are all conditional.

If you, then I. His grace or His love is given unconditionally, but all of His blessings are conditional. Next, God will not bless those who do not honor Him. Go back to Samuel. God will bless those—"I will honor those that honor me." It’s a wonderful, wonderful passage. Was quoted in the famous movie "Chariots of Fire." I will bless those who honor me.

Next, God will not bless the unequally yoked. He says, "Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers." Oh, "Be not unequally yoked." God will not—has no commitment to bless those who are unequally yoked. Now, that’s true whether it’s in marriage, whether it’s in your relationships politically, whether it’s in business relationships. God has no commitment to bless the unequally yoked.

And finally, God says, "I change not." Whoa. "I change not." How about you? Do you change? Where do you stand with regard to the things that God will not do? Just asking. We’ll be right back. You’re not going to want to miss the second half of our program today.

Guest (Male): There is so much more about Chuck Crismier and Save America Ministries on our website, saveus.org. For example, under the marriage section, God has marriage on His mind. Chuck has some great resources to strengthen your marriage.

First off, a fact sheet on the state of the marital union, a fact sheet on the state of ministry, marriage, and morals. Saveus.org. Marriage, divorce, and remarriage. What does the Bible really teach about this? Find all of this at saveus.org.

Also, a letter to pastors: the Hosea Project. Saveus.org. And many more resources to strengthen your marriage. It’s all on Chuck’s website, saveus.org. Again, you can listen to Chuck’s Viewpoint broadcast live and archived on Save America Ministries’ website at saveus.org.

Chuck Crismier: To help you along the way to be able to follow what God is saying, the things that He will not do that therefore we should not do, you might want to get a copy of the book "Seduction of the Saints." "Seduction of the Saints: How to Stay Pure in a World of Deception."

Here is an extremely practical book, one of the best sellers of all of my 11 books because it’s so practical. Hop on it and get a copy of it, friends. $15 will put it in your hands. It’s on our website saveus.org. Call us 1-800-SAVE-USA or write to us at Save America Ministries, P.O. Box 70879, Richmond, Virginia 23255. Writing a check, add $6 for postage and handling.

Now, I am looking at the face of a beautiful lady. Beautiful, beautiful smile. I really am a connoisseur of great smiles. She is a former Michigan Democrat State Representative, and she announced last week she won’t run for re-election because her Christian faith is incompatible with remaining in her political party.

The news article says this, quoting her: "For me, it’s impossible to be a faithful follower of Jesus Christ while remaining a member of the Democrat Party as it exists today. I cannot reconcile that platform with Scripture," said Karen Whitsett.

"I will not be seeking re-election for this office and will not be running for any office ever again," she said. "This is not a political calculation, it’s a spiritual decision." She mentions specific social issues where she said the Democrat platform irreconcilably conflicts with the Bible’s teaching.

"The issues I cannot reconcile with Scripture are abortion, normalization of the gay lifestyle, and the push to redefine gender," she said. "I understand these are personal for many families because your son, daughter, cousin, aunt, uncle, maybe one or more have admitted these things. But personal proximity does not change God’s definition of right and wrong."

"Love for people does not require agreement with sin, and compassion does not give us permission to rewrite Scripture." She says, "I’m not going to pretend God’s word can be twisted by any priest, bishop, pastor, or preacher to make people feel comfortable in sin, whether that’s to keep donations coming, to avoid offending anyone, or to fit the culture."

"Just because prominent leaders don’t speak against these things does not mean God is okay with them," she said. "God does not change. My faith is not moving," she said. "My allegiance is to Jesus Christ and I’m choosing God’s business over man’s approval."

What a statement Karen Whitsett has just joining us here on the program today from Michigan. Karen, it’s good to have you on the program.

Karen Whitsett: Hi, thank you for having me.

Chuck Crismier: Well, I’ll tell you, sister, this was a very bold thing that you stated, and it’s interesting that it made national news. You were there with what do they call the lower house of the legislature there in Michigan?

Karen Whitsett: Michigan House of Representatives. I’m in the State House.

Chuck Crismier: The House of Representatives, okay.

Karen Whitsett: Yes.

Chuck Crismier: And that’s what you were a member of.

Karen Whitsett: I still am. I’m still there.

Chuck Crismier: Oh, you still are.

Karen Whitsett: Yes, I’m still in office, yes.

Chuck Crismier: You’re signing off with me.

Karen Whitsett: No, no. I said I’m still there. I am not running again though. My term is up December 31st.

Chuck Crismier: Oh, okay. So you’ve got a few months to go, eight months to go, something like nine months to go. Okay, so you’ve already made a declaration: "I ain’t going there. I am not going to run again."

Karen Whitsett: Yeah, I would have had to file by, I forgot the date, April something. And I would have actually have had to announce already in March that I was running to even have my fundraiser or whatever. So that’s when you normally have them. And I wanted to make sure it was clear because people started contacting me, papers started asking me if I was running again because out of 110 representatives, I am the only person who did not have a Republican or Democrat in their race last two years ago.

Chuck Crismier: Really?

Karen Whitsett: Yes. So I mean, I take care of my district, I do my job very well, and this is my fourth—yeah, fourth term.

Chuck Crismier: Well, I’m reading here in your official website. It says, "Her leadership has always been rooted in service, not division, focused on delivering real outcomes for the people she represents. She secured millions to keep water flowing, lowered energy costs, expanded food assistance to those no child or senior went hungry, and advanced efforts to make neighborhoods safer."

Now she’s bringing that proven record home to the Detroit City Council to ensure District 7 receives its fair share. So you were part of District 7, is that correct?

Karen Whitsett: Yes. And I was running for City Council. I thought that’s what God wanted me to do. And it is, just not in the way my head had wrapped around when you say, "Hey, you’re going to run for something." When I got into it, yeah, I knew that it wasn’t what He wanted me to do. He wanted me to sit down and see everything. I needed to get away from the noise.

Chuck Crismier: Okay, so you ran for the City Council and then you ran for the lower house of the legislature. And how long were you in the public eye then? Eight years?

Karen Whitsett: Well, yes, this is my eighth year.

Chuck Crismier: That’s a fairly long period of time.

Karen Whitsett: A very long period of time.

Chuck Crismier: Yeah, and you had no opposition, Democrat or Republican, in the last election.

Karen Whitsett: No.

Chuck Crismier: All right. Well, that would seem to be an ideal thing for you to just continue on. So what motivated you then to make this amazing announcement that’s made national circles?

Karen Whitsett: Well, that part amazes me that it made national circles, but that just lets you know right there hearing the word God is fine. You can say God all day long, but the moment you say Jesus, that’s where the distinction is. That’s where the game changes.

Chuck Crismier: Really? All right, help us to understand that because you’ve been in office as a Democrat, a registered Democrat, correct?

Karen Whitsett: Yes.

Chuck Crismier: All right, and are you saying then by implication that the name of Jesus is not acceptable in the Democrat Party?

Karen Whitsett: No, it’s not.

Chuck Crismier: Wow. So you can mention God, you just can’t mention Jesus.

Karen Whitsett: Right. You can say God all day long. God doesn't, that's fine. I mean, we have prayer, either you can do it as a representative or you can have your pastor or bishop or whatever your religious sect is come in and do a prayer before we have session on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays. Or we also say the Pledge of Allegiance, which also mentions God, right, before we start session.

Chuck Crismier: Well, the devil believes in God.

Karen Whitsett: Right.

Chuck Crismier: Okay, so what is it about Jesus that’s become so inimical to the Democrat Party?

Karen Whitsett: That the name Jesus means God. You have your three in one there. That’s where there’s a difference. We’re now not talking about the same God; we’re talking about the God.

Okay, so it’s God to other people—universe, the rock, it’s whatever mystical thing they want to make it out to be. And like I said, that’s perfectly fine. You’re not touching or pushing or stabbing at anybody’s demons when you just say God.

Chuck Crismier: Well, Oprah Winfrey has been a great supporter of God as defined by the New Age movement. In fact, she spent $5 million of her own money advancing the cause of New Age with what is called God-consciousness, but not about Jesus. Anytime the word Jesus came in, it had to be called what? The global consciousness, something like that.

Karen Whitsett: But see that’s—and I mean don’t get me wrong, I have done some slippery slopes myself even though I’m like, "Hey, I’m a Christian, I believe in God, this is how I was raised, baptized Lutheran, communion, the whole nine." But it is, it’s a very slippery slope. It’s just something as simple as a kid reading your horoscope. It’s something as simple as a kid and with Halloween and seeing the ugly side of it. It’s very little things—a rabbit’s foot.

Chuck Crismier: So politics, are you saying that politics, if you’re going to run for political office and be in political office, requires you to make continual compromises with your faith?

Karen Whitsett: No, you don’t make compromise. You either have it or you don’t.

Chuck Crismier: Okay.

Karen Whitsett: So you’ve been in for eight years and I suppose you’ve been tested over and over again.

Karen Whitsett: From day one, yes. And I’ve been a pain in their side from day one. Even back during COVID, I was the person who said thank you to President Trump for mentioning hydroxychloroquine, and I’ve been on the chopping block ever since.

Chuck Crismier: Wow. So in other words, if you even as much as gave a thank you to President Trump for anything, you become persona non grata to the Democrat Party.

Karen Whitsett: Absolutely, especially when the fact that the man actually knows your name and says it and doesn’t just use you for 15 minutes of fame. That really gets under the skin when he’s actually calling and I’m telling him what’s really going on during COVID. I’m telling him what’s exactly going on in the community.

Chuck Crismier: So you used hydroxychloroquine during the COVID-19?

Karen Whitsett: Yes, I did. That’s how I survived. That was the only way I lived. I had Lyme disease and I still do, I have chronic Lyme. And so the doctor that used to treat me who had passed away, he had given me that when I was getting this bronchial thing and my lungs were filling up with fluid. And so I had completely forgotten about hydroxychloroquine and how I got such an instant relief from that versus like a steroid or anything like that. And so when he mentioned it on television, I just—and I really can’t even tell you the dynamics of just such a blur of the phone calls and interactions.

Chuck Crismier: But you actually ended up taking it and it delivered you.

Karen Whitsett: Yes, I got it that night. I thought I was dying. I thought it was over for me. We’ll be back after this, friends. We’re talking with Karen Whitsett, a former council person and now a member of the Detroit Michigan legislature, who has just announced she will not be running again and why.

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Chuck Crismier: We began this program today asking the question: What are the things that God will not do? And how does that relate to integrity, restoring integrity in our country? Well, we laid those 12 things out and now, in a practical way, Karen Whitsett is joining us from Michigan to talk about her own personal experience there in the Michigan legislature and then also with the City Council in Detroit, and all within the realm of the Democrat Party and what her experience has been and why, for integrity's sake, she has felt it necessary to declare she will not run again, even though there’s no opposition.

Karen, what did you go through? Can you articulate three or four things that specifically challenged you during your sojourn eight years with the Democrat Party?

Karen Whitsett: I would say absolutely my stance against Planned Parenthood. That was one of the biggest things. Even the most Republican of Republican people voted for abortions here in Michigan because people know people are going to do what they’re going to do. So safe and accessible is what people agreed to.

However, they did not agree to pay for it. And the Governor decided that although abortion had won, she decided that we were going to also now pay for them. And I said absolutely not, that was not going to happen. That’s not representing my district.

Chuck Crismier: Yeah, okay. So abortion was a huge issue for you and supporting Planned Parenthood, and that made you persona non grata there among your Democratic cohorts, didn’t it?

Karen Whitsett: Well, and the thing is that I myself, during the time that my mother passed away, I had taken her off life support and I also did not have any time off from work. And I had to remove my mom from life support. I had to go to work the next day. I even had to work the day of my mother’s funeral.

I was actually late to my mother’s funeral because of my job, and I made it the last funeral that it could be that day so I could try not to be late for my mother’s funeral. And I was raped. I subsequently went through this whole process that I’m discussing and I terminated a pregnancy, which is of course murder. And that’s something I have to live with for the rest of my life.

Wow. But I went through this process for me to stand up against the process of what Planned Parenthood was trying to do, which was one: rape, incest, and life and death of the mother are already covered by the state.

Secondly, that I do not see anything wrong with you waiting 24 hours to terminate a pregnancy. If you call at 9:00 AM today, why can’t you wait until 9:00 AM tomorrow for a termination? What is so wrong with you filling out the piece of paper acknowledging that you have read what this procedure is? It’s not cut and dry. It’s not something you just walk away from. I ended up with an umbilical hernia. It’s not—and not to mention what you deal with mentally and what you will deal with for the rest of your life. It’s not cut and dry.

Chuck Crismier: Have you been accused of hypocrisy then because of that you had an abortion?

Karen Whitsett: No, no, no. Because the reason why I talk about it and I put it out here like this, like I say, I’ve gone through this process. So the very things that I have put into place that were I’m trying to keep in place, which was the 24-hour waiting period, the filling out of the form that you know what the procedure is and what you’re doing, and also that a nurse or a doctor or someone can say, "Are you being coerced into this abortion?"

You know, there’s a young woman who was driven across state lines by her stepfather, and first thing people want to say is that, "Well, she couldn’t get an abortion in those other states." That was not the case, that wasn't it. He was crazy. He impregnated her. When she got—when he took her to a clinic and they asked her if she was being coerced into an abortion, she said yes, and he took her out of there and subsequently blew her head space off. Wow. So now that’s two people that have lost their lives.

Chuck Crismier: Did you know that just this last week, the Parliament in the UK voted to eliminate all prohibitions against abortion up through birth?

Karen Whitsett: No, I did not know.

Chuck Crismier: Yeah, it’s unbelievable. That’s our mother country.

Karen Whitsett: Yeah, it’s a lot with all of this, and like I say, I can’t walk in everyone’s shoes. And the bottom line is, and I have not, nor can anybody walk in mine. And everybody can always say what they will do and what they won’t do in a given situation.

Chuck Crismier: Sure, but you have said very bluntly for the news that you had—you found yourself for integrity purposes you had to leave the Democrat Party because it would be unconscionable for you as a Christian to remain in that party.

Karen Whitsett: Yes, and as it goes on, there are things such as same-sex, the transgender. We can now change the birth certificates here. If you were a male and you were fingerprinted as a male, you no longer have to have a doctor’s affidavit saying that you’ve actually had anything done.

You can now just take that birth certificate, which completely wipes out your entire past as if you did not exist as a male. Now you’re female. You change your driver’s license and your passport. Now you’re a completely new person.

So this defeats two things. Well, three things. If you commit a crime and you did actually change your appearance, the police don’t know who they’re looking for because they’re still looking for this man. You’re not refingerprinted as a female.

You also have this person who has not changed their identity whatsoever, or maybe just puts on some lip gloss, and now they’re in female spaces. Well, they also can be sitting you for your wedding dress or your daughter for her prom dress or her first bra. Or it may be a person that you want a female doctor. Well, when you say you want a female doctor, you mean that. You don’t mean you want someone who thinks they’re female. Your rights are being violated. You know, there starts becoming this blurred line of your reality being forced onto me.

Chuck Crismier: Exactly. Okay, so you’re explaining a lot of the nitty-gritty aspects of why, in a practical way, those things affect people. But God has spoken on those issues, has He not?

Karen Whitsett: God has spoken on all these issues, from abortion to that, to He’s spoken on all these things.

Chuck Crismier: Okay, and that’s the authority on which you had to stand when you made your declaration.

Karen Whitsett: Exactly. So it has nothing to do with me loving someone or not being compassionate if it’s a nine-year-old that gets pregnant. That has nothing to do with the law is the law is the law. God’s word is His word is His word. It was the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. It doesn’t matter what the situation is, no matter how much we don’t like the circumstances. He didn’t say it’s based on these certain circumstances that this is acceptable. So I do not cop out for what I’ve done.

Chuck Crismier: All right, so you’re married?

Karen Whitsett: Yes, I am.

Chuck Crismier: Your husband’s name is Jason, is that right?

Karen Whitsett: Yes.

Chuck Crismier: Okay, and how has your husband responded during all this period of time because you’ve been in a combat zone, a spiritual combat zone?

Karen Whitsett: Yes, yes. I have a praying husband. I tell you, I have a praying husband and he holds me up and lifts me up. And I would not be where I’m at if it wasn’t for God making sure that he was put into my life.

God spoke this through my father two days before he died, when he told me how my life was going to be and that I wouldn’t recognize my life. And everything that my father said is what God had told him. It’s just been unbelievable and I’m still in awe.

And I thought it was just, "Oh, okay, the little blip and talking to the President." And no, it’s going on. And like I said, this was never about me just saying or wanting to make some grandiose announcement. I’m just a local state rep. I’m just over here in the hood of Detroit. And I don’t have a huge political platform. I don’t have a huge political background. I don’t come from a lineage of people in politics. I don’t do major bills. I don’t do anything like that.

I just said these were my reasons because I’m looking at right now we’re in the last days and I was convicted. I was convicted that I was lukewarm, that I had no fruit.

Chuck Crismier: And you had something that came into your life that actually brought you to that profound conviction, didn’t it?

Karen Whitsett: Yes, yes.

Chuck Crismier: You actually had a virtual confrontation with hell itself.

Karen Whitsett: Yes.

Chuck Crismier: Scary, wasn’t it?

Karen Whitsett: You know, and it still is. And this was now that was December of 2024 and on Christmas of December 2024 is when it ended. It lasted for two days, 24 hours. And you know, when you don’t know what you’re in, you don’t know what you’re fighting, you don’t know if you’re fighting, if you have a chance to get out of it.

All I knew is I just kept saying, "God, I know I have faith of a mustard seed. You said if I have faith of a mustard seed, I know I have at least that." But I was told flat out, "You have no fruit. You weren’t telling anybody about Jesus."

Chuck Crismier: Wow. So in other words, you got confronted big time by the enemy of your soul, the accuser of the brethren, saying, "You ain’t what you say you are. You’re not truly a Christian. You don’t tell people about Jesus. You’re not living a faithful life. You’re doing things that God would not have you to do, and so you’re just not going to make it in."

Karen Whitsett: That’s—and that’s how I felt. That was what was being presented to me and for two days I was shown how separated from God really looks like.

Chuck Crismier: Even while claiming to be a Christian.

Karen Whitsett: Yeah.

Chuck Crismier: That’s serious stuff.

Karen Whitsett: And I mean, I’m not talking like people’s visions where they say, "Oh, I went to hell and it was hot and it smelled and there was this and there was that." I didn't have that experience, but I did I saw myself plummeting into hell. It was as if watching myself, feeling myself, watching myself plummet.

Chuck Crismier: You know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of Jonathan Edwards, the famous preacher back in the days before the American Revolution, when he spoke that famous sermon "Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God," and it so gripped the people that they literally experienced themselves hanging by a thread over the flames of hell. Was it sort of like that?

Karen Whitsett: And when it came down to the very, very end of it, when all my words started getting jumbled and I could no longer remember the words correctly to the Lord’s Prayer or "Yea, though I walk through the valley," and I just said, "You know what, God? If hell is where I’m going, I’ll accept that. I’ll accept that that’s what I have to endure. But I won’t stop praising You. I’ll always see You on the cross. I still see You on the cross. If I can’t remember any of those other words, and I will accept this. I will not stop praising You."

Chuck Crismier: So you did the best you could to articulate, "That’s not who I am, that’s not what I want to be, I want to follow You faithfully for the rest of my life. I want to do the things You want me to do, I don’t want to do the things You don’t want me to do. I don’t want to be unequally yoked together with a political party that is actually openly and notoriously contrary to Your word, Your will, and Your ways." That’s what you came up with, right?

Karen Whitsett: That’s when I got snatched back out of where I was at and brought back into my right mind somewhat and was back into reality. But I was in the hospital for two days.

Chuck Crismier: How’s that affected your relationship with Jason, your husband?

Karen Whitsett: Well, my husband’s always been a very strong man of faith. He’s raised in Church of God in Christ. But I and like I say, it’s changed both of us. I mean, we both realize that we weren’t that we were comfortable.

Chuck Crismier: So in other words, you were a little bit more like the Laodicean church.

Karen Whitsett: Yeah, yeah.

Chuck Crismier: Well, Karen, I’ll tell you, we’re right at the end of the program and I’m so glad that you came on to join us to give us this testimony. You’ve stood straight, you’ve stood strong. Keep pressing on, never give up. And we just appreciate what you’ve done as encouraging to all of us. God bless and be a blessing.

Karen Whitsett: Oh, thank you. God bless you.

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