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Chuck Crismier: China has been known as the Dragon, and the jaws of the Dragon are open, my friends. China has re-emerged center stage on the global theater over the past 30 years. And for the Christian church of the world on the near edge of the Second Coming, the center of spiritual gravity is shifting from the United States to Asia, believe it or not. For the United States, the message appears very simple: move over and meet your new rival, the globe's newest superpower.

Well, that's exactly what has been said now for quite some period of time. Time Magazine a few years ago called it the dawn of a new dynasty. Proposing unthinkable questions, are already a commercial giant, China is aiming to be the world's next great power? Will that lead to a confrontation with the United States? The clearly implied answer was and is now a resounding yes.

So, I welcome you to Viewpoint. I'm Chuck Crismier. It's Conversation with Ever-Increasing Conviction: Talk That Transforms. And today is no exception. After 200 years of foreign humiliation, invasion, civil war, revolution, and unspeakable horrors from within, China is preparing for its own date with destiny.

That date with destiny is rapidly approaching, knocking at the door of history, and China's rising star is sinister. It's strategic and has surreal implications in the mounting battle for king of the mountain, in other words, the rulership of the world. As put by Xi Jinping a few years ago, China will rule the world by 2050. That's his statement.

And indeed, it is also stated that China will rule the commercial world by 2030. So, do you think that might be significant as our president makes his way, wings his way on the wings of the American Eagle to China? Yeah, that's the reason why, friends, in my book, King of the Mountain, I wrote a chapter called The Dragon Versus the Eagle. China's rising star is sinister, strategic, and has surreal implications in the mounting battle for king of the mountain.

So, today on Viewpoint, we're going to be talking about this intended meeting between our president, Donald J. Trump, and Xi Jinping there in China, who is striving to maintain his position there as is Donald J. Trump here in this country. Xi Jinping is under stress there in his own country. He's been getting rid of, he's actually been disappearing some of his key generals and so on because he's afraid of an insurrection from the inside. And so, he's got some of the same problems there that we are seeing here in this country.

So, is Xi cheating? Is that what he's doing to get ahead? Is that what's happening with regard to the Dragon? And what have we done in the United States to precipitate this problem when William Jefferson Clinton decided to sell out the White House in order to gain some Chinese money for his campaign years ago? What do you make of that? What do you make of that?

Friends, we have been co-participants in our own demise here in dealing with China. But today, we have a president that's heading over to China on the wings not of a snow-white dove, but on the wings of an American Eagle, an airplane, in order to show our intentions to resist the takeover by China and to do what we can to prevent the declared intervention and rulership of the world.

So, today on Viewpoint, we have a special guest joining us from the Epoch Times. This is an epic situation here today. And his name is Joshua Philipp. He's going to lead the charge for us in dealing with Xi Jinping today. Joshua, it's good to have you on the program.

Joshua Philipp: It's a real pleasure being here.

Chuck Crismier: Well, Joshua, these may sound like rather astounding statements that we made, but if you were to read Chapter 19 of my book King of the Mountain that was written 13 years ago, you would think it was written yesterday.

Joshua Philipp: Well, I mean, I could see it. I did a documentary called The Final War several years back. And without a doubt, the Chinese Communist Party, they do believe there's going to be a kind of last battle, so to speak, between the free world and the communist world, and they think they're going to come out on top.

Recent stories coming out say that they're talking about the fourth industrial revolution, same thing the World Economic Forum is talking about. And they also believe this is their chance. And same thing with Russia. They talk about the fourth political system, which they call national bolshevism, which is a merging of communism and Nazism. And they believe they can use this to defeat what they call liberal democracy, the American-led kind of system of natural rights and God-given rights. So this is how they view it, without a doubt.

Chuck Crismier: Well, it's a very challenging situation because we have given, we have actually literally financed China's rise to domination in the world. We have financed their military. We have financed just about everything they do by purchasing their cheap goods here. And in the process, it's almost like the biblical story of Esau giving up his birthright for a mess of pottage. What say you?

Joshua Philipp: Yeah, we sold the noose to hang ourselves. It's funny because I've said it on my show quite a few times. One of the main slogans of the Chinese Communist Party is, "There would be no new China without the CCP." And it's one of the things they tell the Chinese people to kind of, especially kids. If you're a kid growing up in China, you have to join slogan class, and they just repeat Communist Party slogans for like an hour every day.

And so this whole narrative is kind of stupid though, and here's why. Modern China, the modern economy, was not built by communism. It was built by capitalism. It was actually built because during Deng Xiaoping's era, they did reforms and opening up, and they brought in Western manufacturing and Western investment. We built that economy. And the question now is, can we decouple from it when Trump's trying to bring manufacturing back here? And if we decouple from it, what becomes of the Chinese Communist Party? Will they go back? Will they try to fight us? That's kind of where we're at right now.

Chuck Crismier: Well, the biblical prophet said men will cry peace, peace, but there is no peace. Is there any hope for peace with the CCP in charge?

Joshua Philipp: Absolutely not. The main slogan of the CCP is "We live, you die." They do not believe that communism can coexist in a world with the United States. They believe that it's one mountain, one tiger, as they would say, not two tigers per mountain. And they believe if they're going to become the world leader, it requires, necessitates the destruction of the United States.

Chuck Crismier: All right, so her goal is nothing less than the global dominion by the Red Dragon.

Joshua Philipp: Absolutely the case. That is 100 percent how they view it.

Chuck Crismier: Well, one of the problems is that China has no oil particularly of its own, no gas of its own. And so, in order to keep the engines of their capitalistic communism going, they have to have oil, gas from around the world. That's what puts tension between the United States with regard to the Iranian situation, isn't it?

Joshua Philipp: It is. Briefly, it's kind of a funny thing, isn't it? Communism cannot survive without capitalism. Isn't that wonderful? It's kind of a joke. Yeah, it's the same thing with Cuba. The big argument for Cuba is, well, they'd be doing fine if America let them trade. So, communism in Cuba would work if they could be capitalistic. Who would have thought? That was the same true with Venezuela. Same thing.

Chuck Crismier: All right, so China's involved in all of those positions, friends: Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, Syria, and yes, even Israel. We'll get to that later on in the program today, the Dragon versus the Eagle. We'll be right back.

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Chuck Crismier: Twenty-six years ago on January 1st, a cryptic column appeared launching the 21st century by Jonathan Spence. Here's what he said: "China has a chance to be the next century's dominant international player." He said, "The last time there was a Chinese century was the 11th century. During the 11th century, China was both the largest and the most successfully run country on earth. There's just a chance," said Spence, "that that will give its name to a century for the second time. Except perhaps for the Roman Empire at the height of its glory, that's not a feat any single state has been able or capable of before." Wow, that's a pretty strong statement 26 years ago, isn't it, Joshua?

Joshua Philipp: That is a very strong one. And I think the CCP also believed for a long time that was the case. Where things are changing now though is reality is suddenly slapping them in the face.

Chuck Crismier: Oh, what kind of reality?

Joshua Philipp: Oh, the hardest kind of reality.

Chuck Crismier: You mean they aborted all of their girls so that they had a shortage of 200 million women for their men?

Joshua Philipp: That's a big part of it. That's the one staring down their necks right now. They also have what's called the lying flat movement, where the remainder of the young people are just refusing to participate in society. I think we're actually watching right now what may be the death of the Chinese Communist Party.

Chuck Crismier: Really? I think that's the case and I think they know it too. So what will they replace the CCP with? What other call numbers would be replaced for CCP?

Joshua Philipp: Well, we'll have to see. There's some people who believe that it could become a democratic country. Some think it may necessitate more of like a Chinese dynastic system, a return to something like that. There are definitely factions in China who want to replace communism with another type of communism, but they're nearing the end of an era, I believe.

Chuck Crismier: Well, the interesting thing is that the Bible tells us in the Book of Revelation of a 200-million-man army that's going to be fielded by the kings of the east, and China's certainly the largest of the kings of the east. And they're going to march on Israel. So, it doesn't seem like the CCP was going to die before that time unless it be transformed into another entity, so to speak, that would engage in that 200-million-man army.

Joshua Philipp: Well, that's kind of where we're at right now. So, the Chinese Communist Party did have a war plan. They were there in their own writings. This goes back to a guy named Jin Canrong, 2016. He's one of the main advisors to Xi Jinping, the head of the CCP. So, he said that in order to fight against the United States, in order to invade Taiwan and achieve what they want, which is effectively overthrowing the United States as the world leader, creating what they called a multi-polar world order, which means China basically running the show.

They believe they'd have to get us involved in several different wars. They said they wanted a war in Latin America. We almost got that with Maduro planning to invade Guyana right before Trump abducted him and took him to New York. They were planning to do this with Russia and they announced these plans prior to the Russia-Ukraine war, which by the way is draining our weapons resources. We haven't been replenishing them fast enough.

And they wanted also to start a war in the Middle East. They wanted a terrorism war. And I believe we did get that with, first, Hamas attacking Israel, but then expanding to the bigger picture, which is Iran pulling the strings of terrorism. And so, we did have that if you understand that as being part of the war plan.

The other one they wanted was chaos, basically creating chaos. And they wanted America to basically be dealing with small fires all over the place, including, for example, protests on American streets. And what are we finding now? We're finding that a Chinese-based billionaire, Neville Roy Singham, is funding Party for Socialism and Liberation, Code Pink, many other communist organizations that are manufacturing a lot of the chaos we're seeing here.

Chuck Crismier: Well, it's interesting you mention the word chaos, and that's precisely what the Iranian mullahs have been anticipating and seeking to create through nuclear power. And what their view is, that in order for Iran to seize its moment in world history and in, shall we say, eschatological history, that they have to create chaos in the world so that their Mahdi, their Messiah, can make himself manifest. Until that happens, they cannot get their Messiah to show up.

So, that goes along with what you're saying with regard to China. China has its fingers as deep as it could possibly be massaging the economy of Iran and can't stand the fact that we've cut off the Straits of Hormuz.

Joshua Philipp: Oh yeah, very much the case. Iran's weapons systems, missile defense systems, air defense systems, all of it came from China. Same thing with Venezuela, actually. You know, the Strait of Hormuz is a bit of Iran's last gasp because they're kind of lashing out in all directions right now. They're even attacking their, you know, other-wise neutral countries nearby, which is very stupid, actually.

Chuck Crismier: Such as what? You mean Taiwan?

Joshua Philipp: Well, Iran is attacking Dubai and lashing out at nearby countries. China right now, they can't really afford to have the Strait of Hormuz closed. Roughly 40% to 50% of their oil goes through there. Also, you know, it's not just oil, it's also fertilizers, everything. They're not going to survive with the Strait of Hormuz closed. And so, they might actually work to pressure Iran to reopen it. The question is, does Iran even have a strong enough leadership to take and enact an order like that right now, which they might not.

Chuck Crismier: You know, the very year that we launched this radio program 31 years ago, that is 1995, there was a statement made by the New York Times Magazine. I called it the handwriting on the wall: that Red China had already emerged as a real threat to world peace. Now, that was 31 years ago. In fact, the headline read: "China Emerges as Global Power" with this troubling headline: "The Red Chinese Dragon is roaring like an emerging global power, but no one is listening." When did we start to listen? It certainly wasn't during the time of Henry Kissinger.

Joshua Philipp: Yeah, well Henry Kissinger is the one who caused a lot of it. And maybe that's the last time the New York Times got a story right.

Chuck Crismier: Well, he's the one that seduced Richard Nixon to open the doors of trade to China.

Joshua Philipp: To your point though, there were two big turnings. The first one took place with, I'd say, 2010 and what we saw as the beginning of Chinese cyber-attacks. The cyber-attacks on the security front started raising a lot of concerns over China's threat, that they were using their military to kind of rob our economic future.

The other big change, and I think this was the main one, was COVID-19. And I think COVID-19 was the real global wake-up call that, hey, the Chinese Communist Party is not our friend. It looks like they're trying to seed a virus, and this may in fact have been a bioweapon as far as we know.

Chuck Crismier: Well, even as late as this very day in Washington, the hearings are going on with our own government saying, "We didn't even know the half of the deceit that was going on even in our own government to play the game with China."

Joshua Philipp: Well, and that's the other big concern too. And a lot of my research as an investigative journalist has focused on this. China has been infiltrating our government. We just saw, for example, Eileen Huang, the former mayor of Arcadia, came out and she admitted that she's a Chinese spy. We just saw a case where a Chinese spy was trying to bribe a staffer of a member of Congress with $10,000 to try to get information on policy. We just saw a Chinese spy get convicted in New York for running a Chinese secret police station. We saw another guy with CCP ties who just got caught running a secret virus lab out of Las Vegas.

Chuck Crismier: Well, you know, as a practicing trial attorney there in Southern California from 1975 to 1994, I was right there in the San Gabriel Valley, Pasadena, California, and Arcadia's right next door. Well, yesterday I received a call from one of my former clients there in Arcadia saying, "Did you know that our mayor just got arrested for spying?" She says, "We've got spies all over here." And we saw that moving in during the years that I was still practicing there when the floodgates were opened and the wealthiest areas of Southern California were turned into, basically, Chinese ghettos, but Chinese unbelievable building, unbelievable properties, and just taking over the whole culture.

Joshua Philipp: Oh yeah, well, so, speaking of, I'm from San Diego originally, but speaking of California, I'll give you another example. In San Francisco, which is, you know, Silicon Valley, there was a woman named Rose Pak. I mean, she died a few years back. She went to China, got an organ transplant, had complications with the organ transplant that killed her. But she was called the kingmaker of San Francisco. You could not get elected to government in San Francisco without the blessings of Rose Pak. And Rose Pak was openly a Chinese agent.

Chuck Crismier: Wow. It's just, it's hard to imagine that in this country we have been so cavalier in welcoming in, it's like the I call it the unholy trinity of multiculturalism, religious pluralism, and political correctness, which was everything contrary to the biblical standards that we had organized this country by, and it opened the floodgates to everything that would corrupt the country. And it seems to me that the multiculturalism, religious pluralism, has been one of the worst engines of destruction that this country has experienced.

Joshua Philipp: Well, I think the big problem is we're bringing in people who have no interest in conforming to our society or have no interest in respecting the values of what we stand for. And on that point too, we're bringing in a lot of people who have ill intent. They're not coming here to work hard. They're coming here to undermine our government, cheat us, rob us, commit crimes, join gangs, I mean, commit the fraud rings we're finding. It's a very different picture of the type of migrant we used to get, which was people seeking freedom, people fleeing persecution, people looking for religious liberty, and who would embrace the vision of the country.

Chuck Crismier: Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Hey listen, Joshua, just so our listeners understand, you not only represent the Epoch Times, but you have tell us exactly what you're doing there. You also have your own talk show, don't you?

Joshua Philipp: Oh yeah, I do a show called the Josh Philipp Show. You can watch that on YouTube, actually. I do investigations, in-depth reporting, analysis, the whole nine yards.

Chuck Crismier: Okay, so you you are an investigative journalist and writing a column also for Epoch Times.

Joshua Philipp: Correct, yeah. Senior investigative reporter. And over the years have investigated the origins of COVID-19, I did a whole documentary going down into Panama, the Darien Gap, and to Mexico. And I showed how the migrant crisis, quote-unquote, was actually part of an international agreement called the Global Compact for Safe, Orderly, and Regular Migration, which actually the State Department just came out and acknowledged America's now no longer part of that. It was actually something we had signed onto, our government had signed onto under the Obama administration. I've done a lot of investigations like this over the years.

Chuck Crismier: Okay, well the New York Times said that what's happening there in China, this was back in 1995, it's not communism and it's not trade; it's military expansion fueled by growing nationalism, and no one's paying attention. How much of the so-called CCP would you say is nationalism versus pure communism?

Joshua Philipp: Well, they are pure communist. And the New York Times I think has always been very apologetic of communism. The Chinese Communist Party runs the country. If you're a Chinese Communist Party member, you need to join weekly study sessions, you have to pay party dues, you have to read Xi Jinping Thought, you have to study Maoism. They are 100 percent communist.

Chuck Crismier: And how many people, what percentage of the 1.3 billion people in China are part of the CCP?

Joshua Philipp: I wouldn't know the number off the top of my head. It used to be in the, I believe, 80 million range.

Chuck Crismier: In other words, relatively few, less than 10%.

Joshua Philipp: It's not a ton. I mean it's a lot, but it's basically all the business leaders, all the government officials. If you reach any level of prestige or wealth or influence, you kind of have to join the CCP.

Chuck Crismier: Okay. So it's almost like a kind of a mafia kind of experience. You have to belong to the mafia to be successful.

Joshua Philipp: Well, and most Chinese dissidents describe the CCP as a mafia. It functions almost exactly like a mafia.

Chuck Crismier: Well, one of the things that I'd like for us to chat about when we get back from this upcoming break is why the Jerusalem Post said 15 years ago that China could become a game-changer in the Middle East. That's a pretty big deal to make a statement like that. And we also, I have documented how China has dug its heels very deeply into the government there, even with Benjamin Netanyahu. And we wonder, okay, what's going on here? Why would Israel be so open to allow the Red Dragon to come in? And knowing what what their intentions are, knowing how they operate, it seems to me a bit strange. Let's talk about that when we also want to now get into what's going on with our president now that he is in China. We'll be right back, friends.

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Chuck Crismier: Viewpoint determines destiny. You know we say that regularly here on this program. There are no neutral viewpoints, friends. No viewpoint is neutral. Every viewpoint has some form of determining destiny. So how you think, your viewpoints, all of our viewpoints are important from God's viewpoint, and his is the only one that ultimate really matters.

So today on Viewpoint, I want to make available to you, before we get back with our friend Joshua Philipp, my book King of the Mountain: The Eternal Epic End-Time Battle. When you read this book, your eyes are going to be opened to things that you never dreamed were actually taking place the way they were, and how it has been happening throughout history and now moving inexorably toward the return of our Lord, the second coming of Christ and all of the events of biblical prophecy.

And China's one of them. That's why one chapter's called The Dragon Versus the Eagle. And to understand the depths of this, I just urge you to get a copy of the book. That's only one chapter in the entire book, but I think it's going to open your eyes. $15 will put it in your hands. It's on our website, saveus.org. That's saveus.org. Give us a call, 1-800-SAVE-USA, 1-800-SAVE-USA, or write to us at Save America Ministries, P.O. Box 70879, Richmond, Virginia 23255, writing a check at $6 for postage and handling.

All right, now, Joshua, you're here primarily, the big deal is because our president has been winging his way over the night into China, into the realm of Xi Jinping and the CCP. What should we expect there? What's the big deal? What do you think our president wants, and what does Xi Jinping want to do in resistance?

Joshua Philipp: Well, the surface narrative is trade. And so Trump's going there with several executives of major US corporations and investment firms, actually, including BlackRock, Blackstone. Trump is looking not to invest in China; he's looking to have China invest in us, which, I mean, we'll see if that goes, how that goes. China, of course, is, I believe, the number one investor in the United States of foreign governments.

Chuck Crismier: And they're the number one investor in American real property.

Joshua Philipp: That too, that and major major investment firms. Yeah, that really bothers me.

Chuck Crismier: Doesn't that bother you, Joshua?

Joshua Philipp: Very much so, because that's what's driving up prices for houses here.

Chuck Crismier: So in other words, we're seducing China to bring in its money. First, we brought in its material goods, now we want to bring in the money that we provided to them so they can buy up our land. I don't get it.

Joshua Philipp: Which is deeply concerning, very deeply concerning. The big challenge Trump is going to face though is this. Really, what the CCP wants right now is the return of factories, and they want American investment in China, not the other way around.

Chuck Crismier: So that they can control it.

Joshua Philipp: Basically. You know, and this is kind of one of the big misunderstandings of communism and capitalism that many people get mixed up on. This is why a lot of people say, "Well, they're not really communist." Communism talks about the it doesn't talk about eliminating the factories or the businesses or anything like that. It talks about seizing the means of production.

Chuck Crismier: In other words, it's more like fascism.

Joshua Philipp: It is. It is. In China, in its current state, is actually closer to fascism than it is to like a pure Marxism.

Chuck Crismier: That makes sense. So why then would our president, who yes, indeed, is a master with regard to money and how to secure it, but it seems to me that he might be actually working against us to try to create greater entanglements with a country that has determined to destroy us.

Joshua Philipp: In my personal opinion, and I agree with most of Trump's policies, but I think he risks a major miscalculation on this. I think he risks doing the same thing that effectively Kissinger did and Nixon when he began this whole thing. Uh-huh, I agree.

Chuck Crismier: It's to me, it's very dangerous. What else, other than trying to work out some sort of trade work there with China?

Joshua Philipp: Well, the other big one is the reopening of the Strait of Hormuz. And I think Trump is doing this more for political reasons. He needs the price of gas to go down before the midterms, otherwise Republicans are going to a bloodbath, you know. China also, though, wants the Strait of Hormuz open, and not only that, the CCP does not want Trump to like win the war against Iran. Because if this drags out and they don't reach a peace treaty, a peace deal, what's going to happen? Trump's going to effectively wipe Iran off the face of the planet, destroying their energy infrastructure, which would make the country almost uninhabitable. And then, because they'd lose their desalination plants. But that would also mean the US would take over the security of the Strait of Hormuz, which China absolutely does not want.

Chuck Crismier: Yeah, I can see that. But then again, Iran's neighboring cohorts out there are experiencing the wrath of Iran, drones bombing them all over the Middle East. So, it seems that they would be in favor, more in favor of the US governing the Straits of Hormuz.

Joshua Philipp: Well, and this is kind of one of the factors, and that's a great point. One of the factors a lot of people miss about that region, they're not all the same. You know, these countries, they have tribal even in the same country, the tribal wars, the religious wars they have, I mean, it's crazy. It's like, if they don't have a unified enemy, they'll tear each other to pieces. And a lot of them would take America over Iran any day of the week, especially when it comes to the countries like Saudi Arabia, for example, that is very ideologically opposed to Iran.

Chuck Crismier: So the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Joshua Philipp: To an extent, yeah, in this case.

Chuck Crismier: Yeah, okay. Wow. And we're seeing a tremendous instability in the Middle East. People can't figure it out because you would think that these other Islamic nations surrounding would cater to Iran. The interesting thing, though, is that Iran is not Arab. All those other nations are Arab except for Turkey. Turkey are the Turks; Iran are the Iranians or Persians. And never the two shall meet. They despise each other. Each one of them wants to become, shall we say, the head of the Islamic regime that would rule the world. That's their goal, expressed goal. So people, I think, do not understand the dynamics there in the Middle East, and one wonders if anybody can understand it.

Joshua Philipp: That's also very true. You also deal with the fact that, as you mentioned, there are the more radical factions that are trying to basically enact prophecy, which includes, for example, like the destruction of Israel, the creation of the this Islamic unity of nations. I mean, all the whole nine yards.

Chuck Crismier: So they've got an eschatological view.

Joshua Philipp: Yeah, some of those factions are actually working on an apocalyptic agenda.

Chuck Crismier: True. Okay, so that brings another question to me. And that is, going back to 2012, says when the Chinese regime announced its latent five-year plan in 2011, it claimed that it was no longer satisfied with being the world's factory, that it seeks to become one of the world's innovators. So to do that, China's leaders realized they had to turn to the startup nation, which is the Jewish state of Israel. The Chinese are fully cognizant of the fact that neither the Arabs nor Iran, which provides them raw energy, can provide them with innovative technology. Put succinctly, the dragon will play peaceful until it permanently secures the Middle East Arab and Iranian energy and Israel's technology deemed necessary to secure its destiny for global dominion. What say you?

Joshua Philipp: That is accurate too. So, the CCP had a slogan for this. It's "surpass you at the turning point." They believe it's very difficult to compete when it comes to existing technologies. And so, in order for China to overtake the West on technology, they need to look at the next generation of technology. So they're talking about AI now. Before, they were talking about computers and medical machines and kind of advanced technology.

They were spurring that on through economic theft. They were stealing the innovation from America because in China, a communist country, there's no there's no reward for innovating. The easiest way is to steal it. And of course, they were going to Israel. Israel's very big, especially when it comes to the cyber security industry there especially.

Chuck Crismier: Well, if the Chinese are built on pride, then where do they get their how's their pride rooted if they can't develop anything, they have to steal it?

Joshua Philipp: You should ask them that.

Chuck Crismier: I'm just asking a rhetorical question.

Joshua Philipp: Well, like I told you before, it's the great irony that communism cannot cannot survive without capitalism. You know, communism only works so long as you have a capitalist to rob. And so, that's how they've been building it.

Chuck Crismier: Okay. In my book King of the Mountain, I write: "Israel's response to the Dragon's seduction spells danger both to Israel and the Eagle," that is, America. "Israel is being seduced into a place of political fornication that will produce a bastard son dedicated both to her destruction and to the destruction of the Eagle which has guarded the startup nation with his global wings." But the stage is set. China and Israel established diplomatic relations in 1992, and now China is Israel's third-largest export market. How do you figure?

Joshua Philipp: Yeah, well, it's an unfortunate reality that they kind of followed the United States. China pulled a bit of a sleight of hand with their promise of reform and opening up. And in the Kissinger model, of course, was this idea that, hey, you know, if we trade with them, they'll become less communist. We found the opposite. We found that engagement with them means that they export their laws abroad, and they make the free world less free.

Chuck Crismier: So, how do you understand Benjamin Netanyahu? China third-largest Israel's third-largest export market with sales of everything from telecommunications and information technology to solar energy and agricultural equipment and pharmaceuticals. More than a thousand Israeli companies operated in China. Wishing the Chinese people a Happy Year of the Dragon, Israel's Prime Minister Netanyahu declared March 2012, "We are two ancient peoples whose values and traditions had left an indelible mark on humanity. We are two peoples embracing modernity, two dynamic civilizations transforming the world." Really? Together? We'll talk about it when we get back.

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Chuck Crismier: Our guest today here on Viewpoint, friends, Joshua Philipp. He represents the Epoch Times. Joshua, give us a little clue in, there might be some of our listeners who are not familiar with the Epoch Times, which is kind of an epic newspaper, I think. It's quite a piece of work, comes out every week. Tell us a bit about it.

Joshua Philipp: Yeah, so we are a newspaper founded we're independent and based on the idea of creating a news outlet that cannot be censored and that is willing to just say the truth as it is. I believe we've held very close to our principles and we've been censored and attacked quite a bit because of it, but we're holding our ground.

Chuck Crismier: Okay. So tell us about the premier focus of the Epoch Times. Why does it exist?

Joshua Philipp: Yeah, so the Epoch Times was actually started originally by Chinese dissidents who were in the United States at the time. The former founder of the Epoch Times was a guy named John Tang, and he did it while he was still a student, actually. He was actually one of the democracy activists in China related of course to Tiananmen Square, basically never wanted to go back.

Chuck Crismier: Was he right at Tiananmen Square?

Joshua Philipp: Wasn't there himself, of course, but he was one of the student activists. And you know, like many of them, just kind of didn't want to go back after that. Eventually, he saw the way the CCP was changing and not in a good way. He saw the deceptions of the CCP. And like many Chinese-Americans, they saw that America was basically being misled. They also saw that the media in the United States basically were always getting the China story wrong for the most part, other than independent folks like yourself, of course.

But most of the mainstream media and eventually when they saw the CCP launching additional persecutions, including the persecution of Falun Gong in China, which is like Tai Chi with a moral component to it, truthfulness, compassion, forbearance. You had a persecution launched of 70 million to 100 million people, and effectively the media outside of China was silent. This is live organ harvesting, it's re-education through labor, it's torture, horrific like medieval torture. And the media outside China basically doesn't even talk about it. So the Chinese people here said we need to create a media that cannot be censored.

Chuck Crismier: Why? Is it because we're so seduced and addicted to their money that we won't say anything concerning their atrocities?

Joshua Philipp: That is actually how the CCP views it. The CCP in its own words, they say the weakness of capitalism is material interest. And so they leverage financial interest as a way to exert power.

Chuck Crismier: So, is that how they intend to work with our president, who is very interested in financial interests?

Joshua Philipp: That will be and is what they're using. And they're going to try to butter him up all they can. You know, the hard reality for Trump is he's not King. He's going to be out of office, very likely, come the end of his term. I believe he's been a great president personally. But if he signs a deal with the CCP, they might play nice for the next two, three years, but four, five, six years down the line, the agenda of the CCP is still on the table. It has never changed. And that agenda is the destruction of the United States.

Chuck Crismier: And they have the long view of things. They don't live like Americans: what's happening in the next five minutes.

Joshua Philipp: Oh, absolutely not. They operate on five and fifteen-year plans. Some of their broader agendas go to China 2049 when they believe that basically they're going to be the world power.

Chuck Crismier: It's utterly astounding. So let's go back now to this matter of Benjamin Netanyahu back in 2012, where he says to Xi Jinping, he says, "We're two ancient peoples whose values and traditions have left an indelible mark on humanity. But we are two peoples embracing modernity, two dynamic civilizations transforming the world."

So it's like, I mean, he actually said, "The rise of modern China is one of the most important events of our time, as is the rise of modern Israel." He went on to say, "I believe that Israel and China can act together to ensure peace in the Middle East." How do you respond to that? I see that as a non-sequitur. How do you respond?

Joshua Philipp: Yeah, I agree with you. I think Israel is starting to understand now and the hard reality is 2012 a lot of countries thought that way. I've always very much disagreed with the way it was going, but a lot of countries thought that way. COVID-19 again was the big wake-up call.

And after that, the other big wake-up call I think for Israel was China's ties to Iran, China's ties with the you know, right now what you're seeing is the CCP actually had a meeting of all the different leaders of Gaza, whether it was the Palestinian Authority, all the smaller tribes, and they also had Hamas there. And they said there's going to be no future for Gaza without Hamas, which Israel's side they're saying there's no future Gaza with Hamas. So, the CCP now is playing very heavily against them. So maybe too little too late, maybe they should have seen the writing on the wall earlier, but China's kind of taken the mask off with them now.

Chuck Crismier: Now, I might be asking you to venture too far as a rep for the Epoch Times, but it's indeed an epical statement when the scripture, the Bible in the Book of Revelation, talks about a 200-million-man army from the kings of the east that confederate together to attack Israel. And where can a 200-million-man army come from? I mean, that's the largest armies in the world are the US, China, and Turkey and perhaps Russia. Those are the largest armies of the world.

Joshua Philipp: In some ways we may be watching it right now. Of course, with you know, I mentioned China's war plan. It includes working together with Russia on this and combined, yeah, they would have that. So that is what they want. They've even talked about it openly.

Chuck Crismier: And yet Russia has a very different view of leadership in the world. For instance, there's a prophecy that goes back 1500 years, a fellow by the name of Philofey, who declared that Moscow is the third Rome and there will never be another. What that was interpreted to mean was that Russia and its capital of Moscow was intended to be ultimately the great apocalyptic eschatological ruler of the world. And if they had that viewpoint, how does that choreograph with China that intends to do the same thing?

Joshua Philipp: Yeah, so that what you just talked about is actually a key part of their leading ideology right now. One of the ideological leaders there, a guy named Alexander Dugin, he's kind of one of the big proponents of this idea that Russia is like the third Rome. And also, again, I mentioned that they believe in what's called the fourth political theory.

They believe that the there's going to be a last battle that decides the future of the world. And they say this will be a battle of systems. They say that the last hundred years were defined by the battle between communism, fascism, and liberal democracy, which meaning the American republic. They say the American republic won, liberal democracy won. So what they've done is they've created an amalgamation between communism and fascism which they call national bolshevism to wage what they call the what they believe is going to be the final war.

So I mean, they're talking about this openly on their side. And briefly, the agreement they have with China, they're pushing what they call the multipolar world order, which is kind of regional control. The division of the world into different kind of power structures. And they want America to just be in its own little corner. China will control most of Asia, Russia will control the Eurasian empire, like the former Soviet Union area. You're going to have powers in Africa, in Latin America, and then little America in its corner, and the big powers are going to be ones controlling the show. That's what they are openly saying for the future of the world.

Chuck Crismier: Well, what this sounds like to me, framing it more in biblical language, is the kings of the north, the king of the south, or the east and the north and the and the west, three great powers coming together in one massive conflagration at the end of time.

Joshua Philipp: And and they they talk about that openly. Whether biblical or political, that's exactly what they're talking about.

Chuck Crismier: Isn't it interesting that none of that is really being talked about anywhere on the national stage? You don't hear it in Christian communications and it's almost like the blind leading the blind, we're just walking around following the Pied Piper over the cliff.

Joshua Philipp: I feel the same way sometimes when I watch it because, for me, I view it from my work as an investigative reporter. I can see what they're saying. And the fact that even what they're saying openly doesn't seem to settle in for a lot of people. You know, they talk openly about destroying the United States, makes it concerning when I see that we keep not believing they're saying that when when they're saying it openly.

Chuck Crismier: Yeah, yeah. Okay, so if somebody wants to connect in with the Epoch Times and become a subscriber, how would they do that?

Joshua Philipp: Oh yeah, go to theepochtimes.com, t-h-e-e-p-o-c-h-t-i-m-e-s.com. And we're an independent media covering everything. We're actually the fourth biggest newspaper in the US right now.

Chuck Crismier: Well, it's a very worthwhile publication. It deals with issues not in a soundbite way but actually in a more substantive way and therefore it's very much worthy of your reading every week when it comes out. And your show again?

Joshua Philipp: It's the Josh Philipp Show. You can watch me on YouTube. And I do in-depth analysis, on-the-ground reporting.

Chuck Crismier: And how often does it come on?

Joshua Philipp: That's every Thursday at 4 p.m.

Chuck Crismier: All right, so you're Joshing us every Thursday.

Joshua Philipp: That is that is exactly it. Thank you.

Chuck Crismier: Okay. We've had a good time here, Joshua. I'm so glad that you and I were able to put our heads together here on the edge of this perhaps epic meeting today or tomorrow with our president and Xi Jinping and all of those comrades with him.

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And one final word, Joshua, what do you want to give us a takeaway for today?

Joshua Philipp: Yeah, well, I think you've been pretty spot on today. I'd just say, closing, I do hope Trump makes the right choices. He's walking a very fine line because the CCP has very negative agendas for the United States. They want our destruction and they say it openly.

Chuck Crismier: In other words, it really is the Dragon versus the Eagle.

Joshua Philipp: Spot on. Yeah, and it's how they view it.

Chuck Crismier: Exactly. Wow. Dangerous times. Well, the scriptures told us that there would be perilous times as we move ever toward the final days of human history on this planet. And indeed, these are those times, friends. We see it. Here's a guy who has joined us, I didn't know him from Adam, and yet he and I have connected, as he said, spot on in most instances with regard to analyzing these situations. And it's been a great conversation. I've enjoyed it very much, Joshua. Keep pressing on and anytime you want to come on, let me know, okay?

Joshua Philipp: Very much appreciated. Thank you.

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