Proclaiming Justice with Laurie Cardoza Moore

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Welcome to Proclaiming Justice, a PJTN podcast from the light of truth on vital issues in today's headlines that impact every American. I'm your host, Laurie Cardoza Moore, founder and president of Proclaiming Justice to the Nations, and I'm here to educate, motivate, and activate you to action. I want to arm you with the truth and the facts you'll need to fight and preserve our constitutional republic and uphold the Judeo-Christian values our nation was founded upon.

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On this week's podcast, I have invited Gary Krupp with Pave the Way Foundation to Proclaiming Justice to discuss the recent passing of Pope Francis and what his passing means for the future of the Catholic Church and its relationship to Israel and the Jewish people. Gary, thank you so much for joining us today on Proclaiming Justice.

Gary Krupp: Well, thank you for inviting me, Laurie. It's great to see you and Stan again. We actually Pave the Way Foundation was formed 25 years ago, and it was because in the year 2000, Saint John Paul II knighted me to a papal knighthood, which we didn't expect. But it was because of work I did for a hospital in Italy, the hospital of Saint Padre Pio.

So I was knighted, and I’m finding because at that time, I was the seventh Jewish man in history to be knighted by the Pope to this order. And so I'm talking to Mary about it, and I said this is a very unique thing. I'm a member of the papal household, but I'm also Jewish and a Zionist and very devoted to the state of Israel.

How can we bridge this in a very unique way? And we have done that. That's what we've worked on for many, many years. Then again in 2007, I was raised in rank by Pope Benedict. And then Pope Francis knighted Mary and I to the highest level you can be. She's the first Jewish woman in the history of the church ever to be knighted to a papal knighthood.

It's quite remarkable, but we look at this as a tool in order to do the work that we do. Because of this relationship, especially with the state of Israel and the Jewish people, we've recognized two major areas. One is a diplomatic area, and that is that the Holy See and the state of Israel entered into diplomatic relations, but they left three outstanding issues they call the fundamental agreements open, and they have been open for 32 years.

Every time they actually negotiate this, the government of Israel changes and they start all over again and they don't record meetings. This has been a particular problem because it's caused issues in Israel. For example, the Mayor of Haifa seized three Catholic bank accounts and said you owe us taxes. We don't owe you because the tax agreement was never signed.

So I had to intercede with the Prime Minister's office to get that killed and to stop it. What they do is they seize these accounts, and the church has to go in and hire a lawyer and go to court and the Israelis always lose the case. But then the Mayor of Jerusalem, Nir Barkat, did the same thing and we had to do the same thing. The reason is that these fundamental agreements were never finished.

That's where what is taxable in Israel and what is not taxable. Religious institutions are not taxable, for-profit entities are taxable. So this has been a remaining problem. That's the first problem. The second problem was an accidental discovery that I made many, many years ago because, as I said, I helped this hospital of Saint Padre Pio.

I was sitting in Rome for lunch with my friend from the Congregation of the Causes of the Saints. He's a priest who was very much involved. And I said I'm very excited that Padre Pio's being canonized. And so he said to me, well, I think Pius XII deserves it more. And I almost fell on the floor because I grew up thinking he was Hitler's Pope.

And then what he did is he directed me to the Jesuits, to the postulator of the cause and to the relator of the cause, which started me on an adventure, Mary and I, where we've now been involved since 2006, gathering over 76,000 pages of documents proving Pius XII was not only the greatest hero during World War II, the Catholic Church had the greatest humanitarian effort by saving a million Jewish lives during the Second World War. That's 25% of the world's Jewish population.

So that's two major projects we've worked on. And we've now made major strides in that area, but the problem is there's sort of a cabal out there of the so-called scholars who wrote all these negative books and never researched this subject. They never properly researched it. It's as simple as that. They say, well, we wait for the Vatican archives to open.

Well, guess what? Long before the archives open, there have been millions of pages of documents available since the end of World War II that none of these people have ever accessed. We went to Germany. We went to Austria. We went in Campania, Italy, in Assisi, Italy. Those archives have been available long before the Pope opened the secret archives.

And so we've gathered them, and I've posted them online. The reason this is important is because, as I mentioned, Pope Benedict was a friend of ours. I knew him as a Cardinal. Mary and I met with him 19 times, and he gave me papal permission to publish these documents, which are the property of the Holy See.

And so there's an agreement to access them on our website. Anyone can download these. Go to our website, ptwf.org, and you can download them. It's under the Vatican papers, and you'll see it's incredible. So he gave us permission for this. And then Pope Francis, he opened up the archives for us, which really what it did is further proved what we were pointing out.

Literally every Chief Rabbi in the world, every Jewish organization in the world, the Israelis, everybody adored Pius XII up until five years after he died, when the KGB disinformation project called Operation Seat 12 destroyed his reputation. Worst character assassination of the 20th century. And to this very day, it stands.

And this is a crime in Judaism. When I discovered this, I went to Yona Metzger, who at that time was the Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi of Israel. I said, Rabbi, you’ve got to see what I found. He said, I bless you for this. I want you to do everything you can and find and we actually translated my book into Hebrew form, which he thanked us for.

But it's a this is a big project, and it's one that we're winning now. We're winning it because the truth is undeniable of what this man did. And he actually created the modern state of Israel. 1917 met with Nahum Sokolow, the head of the World Zionist Organization, to build a Jewish homeland in Palestine. He loved it.

Pacelli at the time was Secretary of State. He was a Nuncio in Germany, introduced to the Secretary of State. Then in 1925, he introduces Nahum Sokolow to Pope Benedict XV. The same thing: build a Jewish homeland in Palestine. And then in 1948, Pius XII as Pope got all the Catholic countries to vote in favor of the partitioning. This man created the state of Israel and we hate him. This is a violation of Jewish law, of gratitude.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: This is amazing. It’s not obviously widely known, but you did write about this, you just mentioned that, in your book. And again, people can go to your website to access that book. It's well worth the read. There's a lot of great documentation. So I put the book online on our website free of charge to download.

But it's big, it's 400 pages. You download it as a PDF and you can read it on your computer. I have no plans to reprint it now, but that's why I'm offering it worldwide free of charge. And it makes perfect sense of this. And as the Rabbi Metzger said to me, he says, you know, in Jewish law, the worst character flaw a Jew can have is ingratitude. And the fact that this Russian disinformation project, Operation Seat 12, robbed the Jewish people of the dignity of showing gratitude to the man that saved 25% of the world's Jewish population. This is a sin in Judaism, and that's my driving force.

Absolutely. Well, on that note, there's a lot of great history that Gary has captured, and I want to encourage you to go to his website and read more about this because this is not widely known. Gary, I commend you for doing all of this amazing research. But let's talk about Pope Francis's passing.

We know in recent months, the Pope has not been as favorable in his comments to Israel. He's accused Israel of genocide in Gaza. And so we want to try to clarify this information and these accusations against Israel. Were you in talks with Pope Francis?

And by the way, the fact that you and Mary were knighted by Pope Francis and by previous Popes for the amazing work that you're doing says a lot about the Catholic Church and its recognition of the Jewish people and the fact that they were working with you. Anyhow, tell us about Pope Francis's relationship with Israel, especially following October 7th and some of the comments that Pope Francis had made.

Gary Krupp: I have to give you some background information, and I encourage everybody to purchase the book of Cynthia Farahat. It's about the Muslim Brotherhood, The Apparatus of Death. In this book, and she's probably one of the world's authorities on the Muslim Brotherhood, October 7th attack was planned two years in advance in Turkey, Iran, Qatar, and New York City and Palestine.

Two years in advance, and it was 100% successful. What happened was exactly what they wanted to happen. And that was to demonize and isolate the state of Israel worldwide and to create international antisemitism, which is exactly what it did. And the best example of that is anybody with a quarter of a piece of brain can watch all of the protests in all the universities.

And guess what? How is it that every single one around the world, every one of them had the keffiyeh, the Palestinian scarves and the Palestinian flags? Do you know how? Because they were shipped months in advance of the attack. So everything happened exactly according to what they wanted to have happen.

And the Vatican stepped into the same pile of doodoo that everybody else did about genocide and the killing because as we well know, the Palestinians have no problem killing their own people. They're martyrs and everything. These kids are brought up with the idea of martyrdom. And so killing a bunch of them and showing dead bodies, this is great.

And the fact is this is the problem: you had no legitimate and to this very day, we have no legitimate agency that can verify the actual number of people that died, how many were fighters, how many were Hamas and so on. So it's a it's just a typical example of disinformation, misinformation, and how the media can destroy the world and ultimately they may well do that one day because of the way that they report.

The Vatican did the same thing. They did the same thing. We actually were I was in Rome about four weeks ago and I had meetings with the Cardinal Secretary of State and the Foreign Minister of the Vatican state. I brought Rabbi Shmuley Boteach with me and about 20 of our donors and supporters. And the Rabbi made a statement to both the Cardinal and to the Foreign Minister that the Vatican should make a statement that the Jews of Israel are not occupiers according to the Old Testament, according to the New Testament, and according to the Quran.

This is the land of the Jewish people. A simple statement like that would go because all they do is this is what they use: oh, you're occupiers and you're throwing this is an issue, this is a problem. So they stepped right into it as well and they still suffer from that. Even though Pope Francis grew up in Argentina, his very close friend was Rabbi Abraham Skorka. He's an Orthodox Rabbi down in Argentina and I had dinner with him.

The dinner subject we had was Pius XII, and he said the same thing, Pius was silent, which is nonsense. I mean, we could prove everything we're saying. But it's the same thing. This was a problem when you're kowtowing to a to a group out of fear. And that's the problem. And I can assure you, and if you want, Laurie, I'm going to send you something and you can distribute it as you wish.

But this is the manifesto of the Muslim Brotherhood and how they're going to destroy North America. This is from 1991, and this document was sent to me by I was able to get it through Cynthia because it was confiscated by the FBI in a raid. 1991, it's in Arabic and then it's in English after that, but it describes every one of these free Palestine organizations and all the universities, and it's an incredible plan.

And we're falling into it and guess what? There's no Europe left. England is no longer left, France is no longer, Sweden, all of these countries because of and I told the Vatican this and I said the problem lies very, very simply in your definition of migrants. A migrant is a poor, downtrodden person who's been persecuted and being killed or an invading force.

That's the key. And that's the problem. And you want to know the most incredible thing? Cynthia, who's she's an Egyptian Christian Orthodox, Cynthia told me, she said, my strongest supporters, not just financial, but are Muslims because the Muslim people do not want to see the actions of these extremists. And so this is a very important issue.

And the problem is this is what sways world opinion. It's exactly what happened. It's happening in every stupid university, Harvard University, Yale University. It's outrageous, outrageous.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Yeah, and it's true what you're saying. This document actually that was found during the Holy Land Foundation trial in Texas, in Dallas, Texas, that laid out the agenda to take over the world. Our enemy has been very clear. They're here to take out the great Satan and the little Satan, the pigs and the apes. And of course that's us, that's the United States, and it's Israel.

Gary Krupp: Yeah, exactly right. So how does this stop? I don't see it stopping. I think England, for example, is irreversible. They have what's called grooming squads. Grooming squads, you know what they are? This group of that identify as Pakistani men that are going around raping young white women in England and the police do nothing about it.

And when J.D. Vance went and addressed the European Union, what did he say? He says if somebody posts something online about this, you arrest them. And now if you go in the majority of many of these major cities, have Muslims as mayors and so on. And the fact is it's not you can't confuse, you can't call all Muslims bad because they aren't.

But they're just as frightened as the regular folks, Jews and Christians. And by the way, part of our work, Pave the Way Foundation works between the religions as you know. We've worked with a Muslim cleric who's discovered what are called the Covenants of Protection. Covenants for Protection, when Muhammad died in 632, in 628, he issued covenants of protection ordering his followers until the end of days to protect the Christians and their churches and to protect their Jews and their synagogues.

Why? They're not infidels. They believe in one God, and we have to protect them. And it says if you do not do this, I will be there in judgment day to judge you. This is a fatwa from the Prophet Muhammad. And guess what? Nobody wants to hear it. ISIS, there was an article in Huffington Post years ago, it says ISIS is declaring war on the covenants. This is outrageous. This is a typical example of how religion has been abused and used for for an agenda which is not a godly agenda.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Absolutely. Well, on that note, there's a lot of great history that Gary has captured. And I want to encourage you to go to his website and read more about this because this is not widely known. Gary, I commend you for doing all of this amazing research. But let's talk about Pope Francis's passing.

It seems like with Pope Francis and with the Vatican in itself, it got sucked into the propaganda war, believe the lies. And after let's talk about Nostra Aetate because Nostra Aetate has been part of the Catholic Church since 1965. Would you mind just giving our audience an overview of Nostra Aetate because it was revolutionary for the Catholic Church, especially in its relationship with Israel and with the Jewish people specifically?

Gary Krupp: Yes, it was an incredible document, which was formed during the Second Ecumenical Council. And coincidentally, it also plays into what we were doing with Pius XII, believe it or not, because when the Soviets learned of this incredible change, which is the Catholic Church's position on other religions, including Islam and Judaism and so on, that's when they launched Operation Seat 12 to destroy Pius XII at the same time.

So during that point, but it was incredibly important thing because it recognized the Jews were not responsible for the death of Jesus and so forth and it's time for this relationship to be improved, which it has taken that steps. But here you see this plan, which was a brilliant plan, by the way, October 7th, brilliant, 100% successful in the amount of damage this did. How much damage this did in this relationship.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Right, right. So what's so important about Nostra Aetate here? It was enacted in 1965, and it was under Pope John Paul II. Correct me if I'm wrong. He was also the first Pope to actually go to Auschwitz and to offer up prayers. He was an amazing leader. But it seems like we kind of got away from that.

And some of the foundational things, as you said, was you can't with Nostra Aetate, you can no longer Christians, Catholics can no longer accuse the Jews of deicide, of killing Christ. It stated that Christians were spiritually tied to the descendants of Abraham and the Jews. Christianity came out of Judaism, recognizing that. This was historic. The Christian Church recognized the Old Testament, the Tanakh, as true and that God is still in covenant with Israel, with the Jews.

And of course, the church is grafted into the Commonwealth of Israel. This was huge because even the Protestant Church had not done something. The Catholic Church is a little bit different structure before than the Protestant churches are because they're different denominations. But the Catholic Church has what, 1.2 billion followers around the globe?

And this set a precedent. But it seems like, Gary, since Nostra Aetate was enacted, it seems like the Catholic Church has not done a lot. And Sister Rose Thering brought this up that the Catholic Church hasn't done enough publicly to call out the Christian antisemitism continuing to perpetuate the accusation of deicide. Where was Pope Francis on this? Because it almost seemed like he wasn't even cognizant of Nostra Aetate. And the relationship that he had with Israel, with the Jews seemed to be quite strained. And it almost felt like he was against the values adopted through Nostra Aetate.

Gary Krupp: I wouldn't put it that as harshly as that. I would not say that he was against it. I think that he was sort of swayed by other influences. I think in that regard he, as I said, his closest friend was a Orthodox Rabbi in Buenos Aires, Abraham Skorka, and he wrote a book with him. They wrote a book together.

So he was I can't say that he was that way. The problem is that as we see politically, and we see it every single day, the best example is my father fought with General Patton and liberated Buchenwald and Ohrdruf concentration camps. He was wounded in the Battle of the Bulge as well. And the fact that he had taken pictures and I grew up with his pictures.

And it was a terrible thing, but look at what's happening. There are people today that will not recognize that the Holocaust ever happened. This is the same exact thing that people are allowing benevolent or true history to be pushed aside by the BS that people are putting out. And the media is putting out. The legacy media is the worst in expressing information about this.

So I don't believe you know, one thing I say to people, don't believe anything you read. Do your own research. Do deep research. And that's the same thing happened with me with Pius XII. We hated him and everybody's until such time as I, Mary and I decided to make this a project of Pave the Way Foundation and we travel all over the world and discovered the most incredible life-saving efforts that this man did to save Jewish people because his best friend growing up was Jewish, Guido Mendes.

So the guy's influenced you, he learned to speak Hebrew, he read the books of the great Rabbis. And he actually got Guido Mendes 1938 during the antisemitic laws in Italy, he sent him to Palestine. I mean, this is the sort of guy he was. And so my biggest sin is I cannot believe that Jews today hate him. It's unbelievable.

And it's the same thing here. While we were doing the research for Pius XII, 1917, Michael Hesemann is our German director, the most incredible archivist in the world. We find 2,300 pages of documents on the Armenian genocide in the Vatican archives where they tried to stop it. And guess what? It was Pius XII was contacted by the Swiss Jewish community to make sure that the Ottoman Turks were not going to kill the Jews next. First the Armenians who were aligned with Russia, who were aligned with England, they were getting so he got the German government to guarantee the safety of the Jews of Palestine.

Who knows this stuff? And I have the documents, the original documents from the German government: we will protect the Jews even if we need to use arms. Because Pacelli was in the was the Nuncio to Germany and he got that done. So here's history that proves that people don't even want to look at. In fact, Michael wrote a book, The Vatican and the Armenian Genocide, presented it to Pope Francis. Pope Francis made a speech talking about the Armenian genocide, and Erdogan from Turkey said, watch what you're saying, Mr. Pope. This is what he says. And then the Pope responds back, he says, I'll open my archives if you open yours.

Wow. So what's happening is true history and evidence that we accept today, we know the Holocaust happened, but it's dwindling, it's disappearing. And now you have new generations of people: oh, it never really happened. And remember what Eisenhower said when he was going through the camps: he brought all the people from the villages up there. I want to videotape everything you see because some son of a bitch in 70 years is going to say this never happened. And here we are. That was so prophetic when he made that statement.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Yeah. So with Pope Francis's passing, we're looking now to what is the Catholic Church going to do about who they're going to appoint to be the next Pope? And there's been lots of speculation out there. I've been listening to all the talking heads and they say, oh, we're not going to know until we get there. And then some people say, oh, but you know, they have a tendency that when they pick a Pope who leans so far to the left, because as Francis did, he was a lefty. He didn't share a lot of conservative or there are a lot of conservatives, especially Catholics, I know here in the United States who would publicly say he's not my Pope. He doesn't look like a Catholic. He doesn't act like a Catholic. So where are we in this process? What are the chances that we're going to get a Pope that reflects more of the values, the trend that is really happening globally, set off by President Trump? I know Francis wasn't a fan of the President. But what are the chances of us getting a Pope or them appointing a Pope that's going to reflect the trend to go back to a more conservative position both biblically and politically?

Gary Krupp: I would say the probability is that will happen. That the next Pope and that typically happens with this. But understand that they sort of stack the deck and when they appoint Cardinals and so on. But let me there is a reality that's existing. Every one of the Cardinals who will be in that conclave see what's actually happening in Europe.

And whether or not they can they may publicly say one thing about migration and stuff, the policies that were carried out and the constant criticism of countries that were not allowing migrants to come in is all of a sudden that's showing its ugly head of what the reality is. And so my my guess is and I'll tell you it's a joke in the in Rome they call the papabili. These are the people who they say well these are the most likely people to be elected Pope.

And they say the papabili go into the conclave for the election and they come out as Cardinals. So typically people are out of right out of left base. I mean, nobody expected Francis to be elected or John Paul II as a Polish Pope and not an Italian. But the point is I always say when the when the white smoke comes and my friend actually is the Camerlengo, Cardinal Kevin Farrell. He's a wonderful guy. He's actually American of Irish descent. Mary and I met with him in Rome. Actually, you met his brother, Bishop Brian Farrell. That's his brother.

Anyway, when Kevin Farrell comes out, he's now running the Vatican. And he'll come out and he's going to say Habemus Papam. We have a Pope in Latin. And then then that's the only time we're going to know who it is. And the funny thing is we had been very close with Pope Benedict when he was a Cardinal, Mary and I. And when the two of us found out he was elected Pope, it was absolutely shocking. Which was wonderful. But I would say the only thing I can say more or less for sure that the church is going to go towards the right a little bit more, whoever they pick, because typically that's what happens, right, left, right, left.

Because again, these are brilliant men. I mean these people and they're smart enough to see what's really going on in the world. And this is not working out quite the way they expected to according to the globalists: let's let everybody in, have no borders. Guess what? That's the complete destruction of your country and your culture and your language.

In fact, Cynthia Farahat is brilliant. She studies the Muslim Brotherhood every day. She's on these chat rooms and so on. And she said that she went to England and this a young boy, a little boy, he's a teenager now, who was brought up in London, cannot speak English at all. And the most popular name in England now is Muhammad. Muhammad, yeah. I mean, so this is this is bizarre. And the fact is that I think that anyone with any kind of a half a brain is going to understand that, look, you want to and by the way, if you think that Notre Dame Cathedral burned by accident, I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. Yeah, good point.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Good point. So that's what's happening all over France and Germany. A complete destruction of these cultures and languages. Right. Well, look at what's happening even in Africa and there has been some talk, some people are of the opinion that there could possibly if there was ever a chance for an African Pope to be named, this would be the time because of all the persecution by Muslims that are slaughtering the Christians throughout Africa.

Gary Krupp: Yeah, exactly. And the church is growing faster in Africa than any place in population. Yeah, absolutely. So that this always is a possibility. Nobody knows what's going to happen except when the white smoke comes out and they'll tell you what's going to happen. But right now, that's where it is. This is a rough time historically that we're facing and the fact is that these European countries are now starting to learn but it's getting to a point of being too late.

I don't know how how you can expect to expel these people. And by the way, they're having six kids for every one kid born in England. I mean, it's just and that's the same thing in Israel with the you know, that's why you see the Orthodox having 10 kids and nine kids and so on. The population change and you know, everything will happen as it should happen. We're in God's hands. So we'll see.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Amen. Amen. Well, you know, as we close up and wrap up this interview, I want to thank you for just updating us on what is going on and what we can expect. How soon do you expect that we're going to start seeing some movement with the conclave meeting?

Gary Krupp: Well, the they have a period of mourning, which we're in right now. And then they're going to they're going to have the funeral. By the way, the funeral was for some strange reason picked to be on a Saturday. So no Jewish Rabbis can attend it. That's going to be on a Saturday, and then after that, they're going to they'll form a conclave and go into session, and who knows how long that'll be. That could be. I mean, Pius XII was chosen after the first ballot, but then again, he was elected a month before World War II started, you know, and he had all of that to be confronted with.

So much history here. And typically with that, with all the advancement of the social media and everything else, we're supposed to be smart but we're not. We're really not. Well, we do have our challenges ahead, and of course the appointment of the next Pope is going to have a huge impact globally. And Gary, I thank you so much for all that you do within your organization. Any last comments that you want to make to our audience?

Yes, and to show you the evil of the legacy media and I am telling you the evil. For example, the only country, and I was going to point this out, none of the Christian countries stand and save Christians who are being murdered. Israel is the only country that does. And how do I know that? Because anyone can look up Operation Good Neighbor.

Operation Good Neighbor was the Israeli government opened up its borders for Syrian Christians, brought them into Israel. And they came to Pave the Way to supply them with baby formula and diabetes medication for the people they were saving. And we did. We did. And you can go on our website, you'll see the the military the army trucks with says Pave the Way Foundation and these cartons of baby formula with in Arabic how to mix the baby formula and so on.

But Israel does that. They did it when Muslims were coming into Greece. You know, the Muslim were coming into Greece, they had Israeli kids who spoke Arabic were greeting them, giving them blankets. The media will not tell you. So that's why you have morons from the United Nations with the same crap that's gone on for for 70 years with the stupid condemnations.

It's unbelievable. Shows you how stupid we are as people. And you know, ultimately, you know, I used to say that people say, I said I can never understand why people say I'm praying to God for world peace. And I said that's the last thing I pray to God for. The last time they made God made world peace, we had to know how to build an ark. So I don't want world peace.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: I understand. I understand. So I know that the average Catholic, the average Christian really doesn't have a say in what happens, what is decided. But can we as Christians make public statements letting the Catholic the leaders who are going to be part of the conclave know that we want someone who reflects the values of the Western Judeo-Christian tradition that we are every Western country is part of, whether it's African countries, Australia, New Zealand, the United States, Great Britain?

Gary Krupp: The answer to your question is no. I don't care how many times you write to every Cardinal you want, they know what they're going to do. And the fact is the media' is not going to tell you anyway. They probably won't broadcast it. You know how to do it? Pray. That's how to do it. You're working from a higher authority than but if you're depending on the legacy media, forget it. Nothing's going to happen.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Absolutely. Gary, thank you again so much for your time, for breaking this down for us. And I look forward to continuing the conversation. I'm sure we will talk again once the conclave convenes and they start the process, and we'll be watching closely in the interim. And of course we will be joining with all of you in prayer.

Gary Krupp: That's the best way to do this. As a matter of fact, Mary and I can tell you that we have our favorite for the for the papal, but I'm not going to tell you who it is. I can't tell you who it is. I don't want to jinx them.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Oh, come on!

Gary Krupp: Sorry, will not do it.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Okay, well, you'll tell me who it was afterwards.

Gary Krupp: Afterwards I will.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: All right, super. Well, God bless you both. Mary, regards to you, and Gary, it's always good to see you. You and I need to have a conversation. We need to talk about the curriculum and textbooks. We need to follow the tradition of Rose Thering. We’ve got to get rid of the antisemitic content in the textbooks.

Gary Krupp: Also, I have I'm going to send you the the manifesto of the Muslim Brotherhood. It's quite long. As I said, the first section is in Arabic, second section is in English and tell lays out this plan, which October 7th was an absolute example of it. It's the most it's very strategic planning and it's working.

Without question, it's working. I'm also tell everybody can download my book free of charge on the Pius XII page. You'll go down and you'll see my book on it so because I'm not printing it anymore. I just don't want to deal with the these issues of shipping and all that stuff. So it's available for anybody who'd like to see it, and it lays out everything. All the people who were of all the things that that have occurred from, you know, from the very early stage of when he was first elected as made the Nuncio in Germany all the way up until his death.

And then the critical books that were written about him, we go after every one of them because they're all provably wrong. Can I give you a quick example?

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Yeah, absolutely!

Gary Krupp: Two books that were just written by David Kertzer. Now I said that everybody was born before the war or lived through the war and experienced what happened, they all loved Pius XII. Everyone born after the war wrote all these these hit jobs on the church and on Pius XII.

Every one of them, and it's the most bizarre thing you've ever seen. How is that possible? So we found that David Kertzer, his first book against Pius XII, won a Pulitzer Prize. The second book just came out, and everybody's everybody's reviewing it, New York Times, they're all talking about it. But guess what?

If you'd like, I'll send you an article of the of his father, Rabbi Kertzer, was interviewed in 1944 saying how the Pope and the Catholic Church have saved the Jews, fed the Jews, and is in my mind a bright a bright star in in in Christianity. It's unbelievable. I have the article. I have the actual article, June 1944.

It was an Iowa newspaper that interviewed him. And he said Christianity, they were incredible, the Pope fed the Jews and everything and and his son, who's the maven, who's the expert, nothing. And by the way, none of these people have ever really researched the subject because they don't they only go to the secret archives.

They don't there have been millions of pages available since the end of World War II in every convent, every diocese, every ecclesiastical facility. No one has ever bothered to look. We did, and that's why we have so many pages.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Well, and that's why you're on this program today, because you've got this information. This is an issue very, very bothersome to me personally and it's just something I'm very devoted to. Right now, I may be meeting with Bill O'Reilly at my friend's church, and I want him to do his next book, The Killing of Pius XII.

Oh, my gosh, that would be fantastic! And I would give him absolute I wouldn't have to mention my name, I would give him access to everything, all the interviews we did, and it's just it's just a real thorn on my side how this can how the media can do something like this. Leave it to Bill O'Reilly. He'd be a great he'd be a great author to take that message. I'm coming along. He's actually a friend of a priest friend of mine and we're going to see him beginning of May. So we'll see what happens. Wish me luck.

Absolutely. Give him my regards.

Gary Krupp: I will. Okay, good. Take care, Laurie. Thank you. God bless you, Gary. I'll be back in touch. Great. Bye-bye. Thank you. Bye-bye.

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