Proclaiming Justice with Laurie Cardoza Moore

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Yoram Ettinger: When you walk into the chamber of the House of Representatives in the Capitol building in Washington, you see the bust of Moses facing the speaker. In fact, Moses is not the only one there. There are 23 major lawgivers in human history, but Moses is at the center and Moses is the only one facing the speaker, looking straight. The other 22 major lawgivers are in profile.

Moses is the foundation of human law. All other great lawgivers in human history are derivatives of Moses. And when I asked the curator of the Capitol building why the bust of Moses is different from all others, his response was that Moses is the foundation of human law. All other great lawgivers in human history are derivatives of Moses.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: I'm Laurie Cardoza Moore, and this is the Proclaiming Justice podcast. On this week's podcast, I have invited former US-Israeli ambassador to the Southwest, Yoram Ettinger, back on Proclaiming Justice to discuss the Passover's hidden imprint on American liberty and the Ayatollah's 47-year war against the USA. Ambassador, welcome back to Proclaiming Justice. It's always an honor to speak with you, sir.

Yoram Ettinger: It's my privilege and my pleasure. Thank you.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Thank you. We are in the middle of the Passover week, and you put out a recent article about Passover's hidden imprint on American liberty. Tell us about that history. I want to preface that by saying, ladies and gentlemen, the reason why I have the ambassador on this Proclaiming Justice podcast so often is because, like me, he has a love and affinity for history, especially US history and how that connects with Israel and its history. Ambassador, you talked about the Passover and its hidden imprint on our American liberty. Tell us about that history, sir.

Yoram Ettinger: It all started with the Mayflower in 1620. According to the documentation of the eight-week voyage in the Atlantic, the 102 passengers spent their time discussing the nature of that voyage. Those documents, which are until today in the State Library of Massachusetts in Boston, considered Britain to be a modern-day Egypt.

They referred to King James I as a modern-day Pharaoh and they considered themselves to be the modern-day chosen people. The voyage itself was the modern-day parting of the sea, and the destination was New Canaan, New Israel, the modern-day Promised Land. Therefore, they named many sites in northeast USA with biblical names.

Until today, we have throughout the US a few thousand sites, towns, cities, deserts, mountains, and national parks which bear biblical names. I speak right now from my hometown, Jerusalem. We have one Jerusalem in Israel. In the US, there are 18 Jerusalems. In addition, there are some 30 Salems, like Salem, Oregon, and others. Salem is the biblical Shalem, the original name of Jerusalem.

You have over 80 Shilos and over 20 Bethels. I remember driving one day from Cincinnati in South Ohio to Cleveland in the north, and there was an exit to Mount Gilead. Near Denver, there is an exit to the Moab Desert. One of the cornerstones of American liberty is obviously the Liberty Bell. The Liberty Bell bears one engraved sentence, and that sentence is, "Proclaim liberty throughout the land and unto all the inhabitants thereof."

It's taken from Leviticus Chapter 25, Verse 10. This is the essence of the concept of biblical liberty, namely the Jubilee. The founding fathers considered the Jubilee to be the role model of what they felt most fitting the new entity established after the rebellion against the British monarchy.

The British monarchy was at that time the enemy. However, George Washington was in a minority. Most settlers those days were very concerned about the economic impact of rebellion against the British and the military impact. It was Thomas Paine's Common Sense that made the difference. In fact, it's referred to as the cement of the revolution.

Thomas Paine based Common Sense on the Bible and the Old Testament, especially Exodus, the judge Gideon, and the prophet Samuel. The bottom line was the Jews were tempted to crown a king over them, and it afflicted them with disaster after disaster. Let's learn from that mistake and refrain from accepting monarchy over us. In fact, he wrote there is only one king and that's God over us human beings.

We are talking about the Exodus as far as the founding father George Washington. George Washington was referred to as the American Moses. The second president, John Adams, was referred to as the American Joshua, the so-called deputy of Moses according to the Exodus. There are many such examples, all the way to the abolitionist movement.

The battle against slavery was based on the Jewish experience: the freedom from slavery in Egypt to liberty in the land of Israel, in the Promised Land. In fact, one of the key figures in the battle for deliverance from slavery was a freed or runaway slave, Harriet Tubman. She ran away from the south to freedom in the north and she became very active in the underground railroad, smuggling more and more black slaves to the north.

She was referred to as Mama Moses. We have seen the impact all the way to modern-day America. Obviously, the impact in the old days among the early pilgrims and the founding fathers was much stronger than it is today. But with all the erosion and with all the unfortunate distancing oneself from the legacy of the founding fathers, still when you walk into the chamber of the House of Representatives in the Capitol building in Washington, you see the bust of Moses facing the speaker.

Moses is not the only one there. There are 23 major lawgivers in human history, but Moses is at the center and Moses is the only one facing the speaker, looking straight. The other 22 major lawgivers are in profile. Moses is the foundation of human law. All other great lawgivers in human history are derivatives of Moses.

When I asked the curator of the Capitol building why the bust of Moses is different from all others, his response was that Moses is the foundation of human law. All other great lawgivers in human history are derivatives of Moses. Then you could cross a very small street between the Capitol building and the Supreme Court. When you enter the Supreme Court halls, you find out that there are seven statues and engravings of Moses and the Ten Commandments in the Supreme Court.

Not far from the Supreme Court, you have the Library of Congress, which is a major tourist attraction. The major reading hall in the Library of Congress, the Jefferson Hall, has a two-meter tall statue of Moses holding the Ten Commandments. Throughout the US, there are more than 200 statues of the Ten Commandments located in very central sites in the different states in the Union.

One of them became pretty controversial: the Ten Commandments on the ground of the Texas State Capitol in Austin. It was installed there in the 1960s, I think 1961. There were many appeals attempting to remove the monument from the ground of the State Capitol under the contention that it violates separation of state and church. It came to the Supreme Court in 2005.

Chief Justice Rehnquist was among the majority on this case in favor of the Ten Commandments remaining on the ground of the State Capitol. Chief Justice Rehnquist stated that while obviously Moses and the Ten Commandments are religious in nature, when it comes to the US, Moses and the Ten Commandments have shaped the foundation of the US culture. There is ample evidence to that and therefore the statue, the Ten Commandments monument, should remain on the ground of the State Capitol as it is today.

Obviously, the attachment to the Passover legacy is not nearly as strong as it was in the old days, but it seems to me that people should consider the proposition that the US zoomed to the highest level ever achieved by any society in human history as a derivative of the legacy of the founding fathers. When the founding fathers shaped the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights, they relied heavily on Moses and the Exodus. If it ain't broke, why fix it? Why distance oneself from a winning formula?

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Yoram Ettinger: In fact, the American political system is referred to as the federalist system. There was no such political system anywhere in the world at that time. The question is, where did they get the name federalist? Why not the system of liberty, the system of democracy, or of freedom? Why the strange name federalist system?

It goes back to the founding fathers, most of whom spoke Latin. In Latin, the word foedus, which is the root of federalist, refers to divine covenant, divine treaty. The reference was to the covenant between God and Abraham, God and Jacob, God and Moses. It was the covenant that did bind together the Jewish people for 40 years before they entered the Promised Land.

In fact, in the deliberations among the founding fathers from 1776 through 1787 when they introduced the Constitution of the US, which is alive and well until this very day, they referred to the Moses system of governance. Moses was the executive branch of government, Aaron was the chief of the moral or judiciary branch of government, and then there were 70 elders.

The 70 elders were the legislature those days. Then there were the presidents of the 12 tribes, which were the basic idea for the governors of the 13 colonies or the 13 original states. You can see the impact throughout the United States. For instance, in Texas, there are 31 state senators and 150 state representatives.

As I was told by a friend in Texas, 31 state senators were chosen because that's the number of chapters in the Book of Proverbs, and 150 state representatives were chosen because that's the number of chapters in the Book of Psalms. So it's a pretty wide-range impact of the Bible as a whole, but with a particular focus on the Exodus. This also impacted Martin Luther King Jr. with his known statement, "Let my people go." I still remember as a youngster in elementary school listening to the very distinguished singer Paul Robeson with his very deep bass voice singing "Let my people go," and then Louis Armstrong singing the same song, which goes back to Moses, Joshua, the Ten Commandments, and the voyage from slavery in Egypt to freedom in the Promised Land.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: What an amazing compilation of all that data. I know you also wrote about Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, who proposed the Great Seal of the USA. Tell our audience about that seal and what is in that seal.

Yoram Ettinger: There was a debate among the founding fathers what should be the seal of the US. The proposition by Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin, and I believe Benjamin Franklin was one of the very few secular founding fathers, he was a scientist, but both of them proposed the parting of the sea to be the seal.

It underscored the people of Israel following Moses in the parted sea and behind them the Pharaoh chariots drowning in the sea. Moses and the people of Israel were following the pillar of fire. Now, this was not voted to be the seal of the US. We have the eagle, which is the seal of the United States.

Some suggest that the eagle is the impact of Roman history. Some suggest that the eagle is the impact of prophecies by Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and others who referred to salvation and deliverance on the wings of the eagle. If you look at the official seal above the head of the eagle, there are 13 stars for the 13 original states or the 13 colonies. They are arranged in the form of the Star of David, which again could be evidence of the impact of the Bible on the founding fathers. Some also say it was a token of gratitude to Haym Salomon. Haym Salomon was a Jewish financial tycoon in the US who committed himself fully to the American Revolution.

He funded much of the revolution. After the success of the revolution, the US was on the verge of bankruptcy and it was Haym Salomon who funded the operation, the wages, and the salaries of the governing body of the United States. When he passed away, his widow, who was perceived to be the wealthiest widow in the world at that time, found out that she remained penniless because Haym Salomon mortgaged everything they had for the well-being of the newly established United States. Some suggest that the seal was in honor of Haym Salomon.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: It's an amazing story and I cite Haym Salomon often whenever I speak about education. Our children are not taught this history and that's what's such a shame. You bring such amazing enlightenment to this issue of American history. We're struggling in the United States and we have a battle going on, even within the Republican Party.

We've always expected this from the Democrats, but within the Republican Party, we have a battle over whether America should stand with Israel and should support Israel. We've talked about this before on previous podcasts with you, but it's very frustrating because our founders had a deep love and affinity to the Bible and to Israel and the historical connection of the United States to Israel, even ancient Israel like the Exodus.

It's so important that we teach an accurate perspective of history to our children. There was a report, a poll that just recently came out about civics in the United States. We're celebrating our 250th anniversary and our kids know little to nothing about American history. I think 30% could even name the three branches of government. That's how pathetic this is.

I so appreciate you being with us and reminding Americans of this history. This is not just something random. It's important if our schools and our classrooms are not teaching civics and our American history to our children, then it behooves parents to sit down with their children and share this, especially on this 250th anniversary of the establishment of the United States.

I've always said that our form of government, our republic, comes out of the Torah of Moses. It's not a surprise to see the impact that the Bible had on the framers and the fact that Haym Salomon, who was a wealthy Jewish banker, was willing to give every dime he had for the establishment of this country. We owe our Jewish brethren a huge debt of gratitude for making this 250th anniversary possible.

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Laurie Cardoza Moore: Moving on, Ambassador, you wrote an article about the Ayatollah's 47-year war against the USA. Because again, as I mentioned earlier, America has a short memory. We don't know our history, and we're not teaching an accurate perspective of our history. We definitely have not taught about the Ayatollah, and if we have, it's very minimal. Tell us about this 47-year war. Give us the history of what happened. Why do you think we're here today?

Yoram Ettinger: There's undoubtedly miscomprehension and a void as far as realization of the Iranian threat to America. The misperception is that this is Israel's war, Saudi's war, or Emirati's war, and the US has no business being there. Anyone who states such a position reveals a detachment from reality.

The Ayatollah regime seized power in Iran on February 1st, 1979, by toppling the Shah of Iran, who was America's policeman of the Gulf. The Ayatollahs seized power largely because the US embraced the Ayatollah and stabbed the back of the Shah, a disastrous mistake undermining America's own interests.

I mention America's critical assistance to the Ayatollah regime because it was the US which provided the tailwind to the Ayatollah regime. But by November 1979, less than a year after the Ayatollah regime seized power, they seized the American embassy and held 50 Americans hostage for 444 days, humiliating the US. This was consistent with the Ayatollah's constitution.

The Ayatollah constitution stipulates bringing the US oppressor to submission. You bring the great American Satan to submission irrespective of the fact that it was the US that paved the road for the Ayatollah regime to seize power. It was the US which brutally pressured the Iranian military that was aware of the direction of the Ayatollah regime and was decided not to allow the Ayatollah regime to seize power.

The US administration at that time twisted the arms of the Iranian military, which was dependent on US supplies and assistance, and as a result, the Ayatollah seized power. By the way, they hung and executed almost all military leaders as soon as they took over control. Now, the constitution of the Ayatollah regime is based on 1400-year ideology, 1400 years of fanatic ideology.

This mandates the Ayatollah regime to topple every single Sunni Muslim regime. The Ayatollahs are Shia Muslims that consider the Sunni Muslims to be apostates. Therefore, they are commanded to do their utmost to bring down all Sunni regimes, namely every single Arab ally of the US: the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Jordan, Egypt, Morocco, etc. Then they turn to the infidel West, especially the great American Satan, and bring them to submission.

That has led the Ayatollah regime to shape a very particular policy contrary to the simplistic notion that their business has to do with the Persian Gulf, or maybe with a wider Middle East. The agenda of the Ayatollah regime is global. Not only global, but the anti-American agenda has led them from 1980 to entrench themselves in South America and Central America along the US-Mexico border and on US soil.

The Ayatollah regime has forged, beginning in 1980 a year after they took over, very close strategic ties not only with every single anti-American Latin American government but with every single drug cartel, especially the Mexican drug cartels. They provided the Mexican drug cartels with equipment to construct underground tunnels from Mexico to the US to smuggle terrorists as well as to traffic drugs.

The Ayatollah regime based itself mostly in the tri-lateral border of Argentina, Paraguay, and Brazil, and another tri-border area in Chile, Bolivia, and Peru. Those tri-border areas have been lawless. Because they have been lawless, they became heaven for drug traffickers, terrorists, and money launderers.

The Ayatollah regime together with Hezbollah terrorists based themselves in those two tri-border areas. They established there terrorist training camps, sending some terrorists towards the US and most of them to the Middle East. The money laundering in Latin America has netted the Ayatollah and Hezbollah about $2 to $3 billion every single year.

Until the recent US operation in Venezuela, Venezuela was the vanguard of the Ayatollah regime in Latin America. That was the chief beachhead of the Ayatollahs because they logically and smartly realized that Latin America has been the America's soft underbelly. Since their goal has been to bring the US to submission, they focused on America's own backyard. They established on US soil a network of sleeper cells.

Some say a couple hundred sleeper cells, and some say over 1,000 sleeper cells. Some of those sleeper cells, which are commanded by the Ayatollah regime, are in cooperation with China and Russia. This is not my own assessment. This is the nature of the threat assessment for 2025 and 2026 published by the FBI, by the Homeland Security Department, and by the Director of National Intelligence.

They highlight the role of Iran in terrorizing the USA and again in conjunction with Hezbollah. They started their terrorist activities against the US early on in the early 1980s. In 1983, two car bombs destroyed the US embassy in Beirut and the Marines' headquarters in Beirut, causing the murder of 270 Americans.

In 1998, the Ayatollah regime, Hezbollah, and Al-Qaeda collaborated in bringing down through car bombs the US embassy in Kenya and the US embassy in Tanzania. We're talking about the collaboration between the Ayatollah regime and Al-Qaeda in advance of September 11th when it comes to training and planning, which caused September 11th.

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Yoram Ettinger: There are many other attempts on previous American top officials and contemporary top officials. One of them is President Donald Trump. Others are former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and former National Security Advisor John Bolton. Again, all those elements are included in documents by the FBI and the Homeland Security Department.

Anyone who assumes that this is not America's war simply demonstrates ignorance. We are talking about that anti-American attitude which is underscored in the school curriculum in Iran. The education conducted by the Ayatollah regime is strictly anti-American education. The Friday sermons in the mosque are anti-American sermons.

As far as I'm concerned, that which I educate my three daughters and my grandchildren reflects best what I want to be and what I want them to be. Likewise, for the Ayatollahs, study the Ayatollah's education system and find out what do they think about the USA. What is their vision?

Some people delude themselves that the Ayatollahs act out of despair and it should be a financial approach and diplomatic approach rather than military approach to solve problems created or caused by the Ayatollahs. What many people do not realize is that for the last 47 years, the US has attempted to negotiate with the Ayatollah regime, deal with them financially through bonanza after bonanza showered upon the Ayatollah, and through diplomatic bonanza.

We're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars showered upon the Ayatollah regime under the delusion that that would induce them to accept peaceful coexistence with their Sunni Muslim neighbors. It did not work. There was an illusion that such a financial bonanza and diplomatic bonanza would transform the Ayatollah regime into good-faith negotiators. It did not work.

Last and not least, the bottom-line hope was that such an option of diplomacy and financial gifts to the Ayatollah regime would induce them to abandon their fanatic ideology. Once again, we have seen all those financial and diplomatic bonanza only providing more tailwind to the anti-American terrorism, drug trafficking, money laundering, and proliferation of military systems.

Last and not least, we're talking about very unique terror regimes. There are many terror entities in the world, but the Ayatollah regime stands out as a very unique one, a derivative of their ideology. They are not just Shia Muslims. They are Shias who belong to the Twelver Shia. The Twelver Shias believe, firmly believe, that the 12th Imam, who disappeared in the 10th century, is about to reappear.

In order to accelerate and to expedite his reappearance, there must be rivers of blood paving his arrival. There must be commitment even to martyrdom in order to justify his reappearance. We are talking about an apocalyptic terror regime. Most alarmingly is the fact that we hear substantial voices urging the US to refrain from an effort to cause regime change in Iran.

Refraining from regime change in Iran undoubtedly would pave the road eventually to a nuclear Iran. It could take a few months, it could take a few years, or it could take 10 or 15 years. However, a nuclear Ayatollah regime is not going to be similar to nuclear China, nuclear Russia, nuclear North Korea, or nuclear Pakistan.

Many people say, "What's the big deal? There are a number of nuclear powers, and there will be another one." Should the Ayatollah regime become nuclear, it won't be another one. It would be the first-ever nuclear regime which is apocalyptic, which is determined to pave the road for deliverance through rivers of blood. When you pursue an apocalyptic vision, as they have from day one in February 1979 until today, you are talking about a catastrophic affliction which would befall upon humanity. Any worst-case scenario of the cost to produce regime change would be dwarfed by the cost to humanity of an apocalyptic nuclear Iran.

Final sentence: the US is not fighting Israel's war, or Saudi's war, or the United Arab Emirates' wars. The US is fighting its own war which happens to be against a threat which is mutual to the US and to Israel and to Saudi Arabia and to the UAE. Talking about a threat which is mutual to the US and Israel, there has never been an effective military cooperation between the US and Israel.

The cooperation has featured the US leveraging the very special capabilities by Israel, including the fantastic performance by the US military, the US army, the US Air Force, in snatching the two American Air Force men from the jaws of the Ayatollah regime.

I'm not privy to any classified information, but I have no doubt that the US-Israeli cooperation in the area of intelligence has yielded very critical information which led to the successful American operation. Certainly, the cooperation between the American Air Force and the Israeli Air Force has led equally to successful performance by the US, which again has resulted in a very daring, successful operation to liberate those two American airmen.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Yes, it was fantastic and yes, we have to give the IDF credit because we know without even having access to the intelligence information that the IDF was there standing shoulder-to-shoulder with our US Air Force to try to find those guys. This is what friends do. They stand together.

It reminds me, Ambassador, of the t-shirts that they sell in Israel. One t-shirt I've seen is a picture of the IDF, one of the planes, one of the fighter jets, and the slogan is, "America we've got your back." Then we see the reverse: "Israel we've got your back." That's the kind of relationship we have with Israel.

This is what the war that America is fighting, everyone we hear a lot of people complaining, "Oh, we're fighting Israel's war." This is humanity's war. It just so happens that the two statesmen of the world, President Trump and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, are willing to take this on. They know this is their duty, their responsibility to all humanity.

We complain about saying we're fighting Israel's war. Well, look at the ballistic missile system that Iran has access to. We didn't realize that they could move those rockets into places around the world that they couldn't do. The ambassador was talking about what's happening in South America and what was going on in Venezuela.

All we needed was one of those ballistic missile systems to be put in place in one of those South American countries and aim it at the United States of America. We could have a nuclear rocket on our shores, in our cities. Ambassador, I so appreciate all the information you have provided for our audience.

As I said earlier, this is a real battle going on within the conservative movement. It's evangelical Christians who call themselves Christians who are spouting the disinformation against Israel. The information that these people are providing is not true. This is propaganda. It would take us another show to get into who's behind all of this, and Ambassador, I'd love to have you back on to talk about this.

We as Americans, we have to stand with Israel with our Jewish brethren. We are commanded by God, Genesis 12:3: "I will bless those who bless you and curse him who curses you." The reason why this country is so blessed is because of the unique relationship we have always had since the rebirth of the modern state of Israel.

Ladies and gentlemen, do your homework, tune in, watch these podcasts, share this information with your family and friends. We cannot sit back and allow these lies and this disinformation campaign to succeed. It will be to our detriment. Ambassador, how can our audience learn more about your organization, how they can follow you, where can we find you?

Yoram Ettinger: I have my own website, which is called theettingerreport.com. Ettinger is with double T. I would welcome direct communication through my own email, which is yoramtex, y-o-r-a-m and then the first three letters of Texas, t-e-x at gmail.com. On my website, there are many articles about the 400-year-old roots, biblical roots, of the US-Israel nexus.

There are many more articles on the contributions by Israel to the US economy and US military or defense. I have many articles on Iran, the reality of Iran rather than the misperception of Iran. My own bottom line as far as US-Israel relations are concerned goes back to my time spent in Texas. In Texas, they say two guns shoot longer than one. The American gun and the Israeli gun, when joining forces, they shoot longer than each one individually. Obviously, the American gun is much, much more effective than the Israeli gun, but sometimes even a blade of grass can deflect a cannonball.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Very good, Ambassador. Thank you so much. Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to put this up on the screen for you so you'll know how to reach him. I want to encourage you to get on his mailing list, share this information with your children, sit down, print up the documents, read these articles with your kids, have a conversation about this because I can assure you, your kids will not learn this information in your schools.

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