Proclaiming Justice with Laurie Cardoza Moore

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Dr. David Patterson: The premise is not that all Jews are evil, but all evil is Jewish. If it comes out of Israel, it's evil. It's genocide. It's apartheid. It's racism. So you can't be counted among the righteous unless you have contempt for Israel.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: I'm Laurie Cardoza Moore, and this is Proclaiming Justice podcast.

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. We are back for another day at the 2025 National Religious Broadcasters Convention here in Dallas, Texas. This morning, we have the privilege of interviewing Dr. David Patterson, a dear friend of mine and a friend to Proclaiming Justice to the Nations.

Dr. Patterson is the Hillel Feinberg Chair at the University of Texas and Senior Research Fellow of the Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism. Ladies and gentlemen, you know PJTN has been focused on the forefront of fighting this global antisemitism, educating Christians about our biblical duty to stand with Israel and the Jewish people against the rise of this antisemitism.

We are so fortunate to have one of the leading experts here this morning. He came in just to do this interview for us to talk to us about what has happened and what continues to happen, like we saw this morning on the news. There's still a problem with antisemitism on our college campuses. Columbia University, another outbreak. Students are protesting, demanding their voices be heard. It's out of control.

Our Jewish students—one student I saw this morning was banging on the door to get into his class, a Jewish student. They wouldn't let him in the building. He doesn't even have the right to go to classes he's paid for. He's paying to be on that campus. It's unbelievable. Since October 7th, ladies and gentlemen, we have seen this growing hatred, Jew-hatred, on our college campuses.

You all know we have been fighting this and exposing it for over a decade because it didn't just happen on the college campuses. It started in K-12 education. We have been indoctrinating our children with propaganda in curriculum, in textbooks, and in instructional materials. This propaganda now is seeping in, and it's why we have kids in K-12, those ages, marching with terrorists, supporting Hamas.

This is not America, ladies and gentlemen. These people do not reflect the values, the Judeo-Christian values our nation was founded upon. Dr. Patterson, such an honor to have you here, sir. Your work is so critically important at this hour. I want to talk to you. Since October 7th, the college campus has completely changed. What really shocked me, though, is to find out that there were these protests and rallies going on on campuses here in the state of Texas.

Dr. David Patterson: Yes. There have been pro-Hamas demonstrations on about 330 college campuses nationwide, several of which have been in Texas. There have been encampments, these little tent cities, on more than 120 campuses. What is happening has been in the making for several decades in academia.

It's a striking phenomenon that we call the Red-Green Alliance between the intellectual left and the Jihadists, like Hamas. What brings them together is antisemitism dressed in the fashionable form of anti-Zionism. In many academic circles where I live, you cannot be considered a moral person if you support the existence of a Jewish state.

So it's puzzling that these two should come together because they diverge on many things. But the cement—what binds them together—is hatred of not just the Jews but the teaching and tradition that the Jews represent by their presence in the world, the tradition that Christianity comes from. Jesus was a Jew, a religious Jew who taught Judaism.

Exactly. So it has to do with how we understand the holiness of the other human being. According to Jewish teaching or race-based teaching, in academia, critical race theory is very widespread. According to critical race theory, race is the first principle. It is the defining feature of who a human being is, what a human being is worth, and where a human being stands morally even.

Jewish teaching, of course, rejects race as a category for defining a human being. No one would say there's no race issue. There are race issues. But the question is: what is the defining principle? What decides the holiness of a human being? It's that each human is in the image of God, a child of God.

The Hebrew word for human being is *Ben Adam*, which is "child of Adam." Each of us is tied to the other through God and through Adam. God begins with one and not with two, so no one can say, "My side of the family is better than your side of the family." We are one side, and we are family with the infinite responsibility to and for one another.

Critical race theory and Islamic Jihadism both reject this infinite responsibility of each for the other—the stranger, especially the stranger. The commandment that appears most frequently in the Torah concerns caring for, being kind to, and loving the stranger 36 times. The antisemites have no connection to the stranger in their minds, and neither do the Jihadists. You have no place in the scheme of redemption unless you buy into the CRT intellectual ideology or the Jihadist theology.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Good point. So how do you—you talk about the intellectuals, your colleagues that you work with—how do they legitimize their Jew-hatred and the promotion of this hatred that is inspiring these young people? These are supposed to be intellectuals. They don't seem very intellectual to me.

Dr. David Patterson: The 20-year-olds may have the excuse of not knowing anything, but the 40-year-old professors have no excuse. If they don't know, they should. How do they justify it? Language is the key to justifying hatred—the language of demonization. Remember Sharansky? Natan Sharansky's three Ds: delegitimize, double standards, and demonize.

This is the language of delegitimization and demonization, which, of course, is connected. The premise is not that all Jews are evil, but all evil is Jewish. If it comes out of Israel, it's evil. It's genocide. It's apartheid. It's racism. They're baby killers. If it's evil, it's Israeli. If it's Israeli, it's evil. So you can't be counted among the righteous unless you have contempt for Israel.

This morally required antisemitism is something that is shared by the far left and the Jihadists. It's a very strong tie between them. Most of them, even the professors in my experience, don't know who Hamas is or where they come from. They don't know about the evolution out of Nazi antisemitism into Jihadist antisemitism. And there is an evolution; there's a connection, particularly through the Muslim Brotherhood. Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood. Students for Justice in Palestine are tied to the Muslim Brotherhood. The Muslim Brotherhood is vastly wealthy.

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Dr. David Patterson: You mentioned the Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism, with which I'm affiliated. One of the research projects we've done is to follow the money. If you follow the money, you turn up a lot of interesting things.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: This is so important. This is what we're looking at now, asking the question: where is the funding for all of this propaganda coming from?

Dr. David Patterson: Qatar is a huge money laundering operation. They have infinite amounts of money. It goes through their foundations and their banks. They're very closely tied to funding American and other universities. A lot of money from the Muslim Brotherhood goes through Qatar. Hamas is now—the leaders are based in Qatar. Khaled Mashal lives in a penthouse hotel in Qatar and is a billionaire. All of them—Yahya Sinwar, Ismail Haniyeh, the two assassinated, were billionaires.

The Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism has demonstrated, and we're still doing research, a correlation between levels of this foreign funding and levels of antisemitism on campus. It's systematic. It's not just spontaneous. Many of the demonstrators on the campuses are from outside the campus. They're professional demonstrators.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Are they coming from other countries? They're outside of the campus. Are they being shipped in from other countries, or is this just—

Dr. David Patterson: Not entirely. Most of them are not. But many of the students are here from other countries who participate. The Trump administration has initiated investigations into five universities where the administrations are not doing much to deal with the antisemitism on the campus, and those schools are in danger of losing their federal funding.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Here's another disturbing thing that you bring this up, because Trump has called for these investigations on these five university campuses. But Trump is also negotiating with Qatar. We have our ambassador over there who is negotiating with Qatar. I ask myself, I look at that and I think: why in the world are we negotiating with a terrorist, a rogue terrorist state?

We know from the research we've done all these years on textbooks—K-12 textbooks, like Pearson publishers and Savvas, Cengage—that a lot of these textbook publishers are being funded by countries like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Libya, and even the CCP. When are we going to address this issue? We're going to look at these five universities, but Dr. Patterson, this is very disturbing.

Dr. David Patterson: One promising development that I see is what is happening now, and I think in the early stages, a reconfiguration of the Middle East. What do we do about Hamas? Hamas had agreed to disarm with this so-called ceasefire arrangement, and now they're saying they're not going to disarm. Big surprise.

They can't disarm themselves. It would be a rejection of Allah, a betrayal of Islam. They've painted themselves into this theological corner, and they take this seriously. One of their slogans is that killing a Jew is an act of devotion. They pray when they murder, "Allahu Akbar." It's a prayer.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: We heard that in the videos. We saw it in the videos.

Dr. David Patterson: The pomp and circumstance about releasing the hostages, this is a religious rite and ritual. It's difficult for us to get our heads around that kind of evil. And it is evil. So, what do we do about Hamas? The Americans want to eliminate them—certainly eliminate their ability to fight, disarm them. The UAE and Saudi Arabia, interestingly, are supporting that. Egypt and Qatar are opposed to it, also not a surprise.

Thanks to the Abraham Accords, the alliances are realigning. I am hopeful that thanks to the Israelis, as usual, Hamas and Hezbollah have been seriously debilitated and Iran has been compromised, although Iran is now ramping up their nuclear enrichment program, I think because they've been compromised.

So it's an extremely complicated situation. I think as Trump pushes harder to eliminate Hamas and Qatar resists that—Qatar has to; they're also Brotherhood ideologically-wise—it will shake up the relation between the Americans and Qatar. Having said that, there are Americans with a lot of money invested there, and Qatar invests in them. There are military interests in having a presence in Qatar. It's very complicated. But I am more hopeful now than I had been under the previous administration.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: What about Congress? Because we have been trying to get hearings in Congress to bring the publishers that are publishing the propaganda in the curriculum that is biased—obviously biased—that is inaccurate. It doesn't reflect our Judeo-Christian values here in America and the values of the relationship we have with the state of Israel.

How are we going to—if we can't get Congress to hold hearings to review the textbooks, to call in the publishers to ask them why they are putting this propaganda in their textbooks? They're being told, members of Congress are being told—they've told me—that there's no problem with Qatar, that Qatar isn't a problem, we're taking care of that. And you know what? We know that's not true. So for an elected official to tell another elected official there's no "there" there, don't worry, don't look here, move on. No. We know that there's something there. We've seen the evidence of it.

Dr. David Patterson: There is something there. The Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism has testified in Congress about the money going into college campuses, unreported. We're talking billions and billions that the universities are not reporting. Antisemitism might be an avenue into an examination of the textbooks. Many of them are extremely anti-Zionist, if not—which is a form of antisemitism.

As antisemitism is seen to be more and more problematic—you have investigations on now five campuses—the institute I mentioned has testified in Congress about it. The wheels turn very slowly in Washington, way too slowly for anybody's liking. But there are some in California—do you know about the Amcha Initiative in California? Tammy Rossman-Benjamin is doing a fabulous job in the ethnic studies curricula there.

As that comes under closer scrutiny, I think Congress might be led to do something. I also think the school choice move could open this up. I know many parents, Jewish and otherwise, are extremely dissatisfied with the curriculum, largely for the reasons that you have researched more than anybody I know. You're the expert.

We just have to keep trying. We can't stop trying. When people ask me if I think it's hopeless, sometimes I say it doesn't matter what I think, but I have to act like it isn't hopeless, otherwise it is hopeless. We never know how much good or damage we do in our actions and our deeds. They create "angels" that go into the world, as the Talmud teaches. So don't give up.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: No, we're going to. I'm sure you probably watched the news yesterday, the report of the Bibas family, Yarden. As I was watching the clip that they were showing, he said that the last conversation he had with his wife, he asked her: do we fight or do we surrender? And what did she say to her husband? "We fight." Just spoken like a Deborah. We fight.

And we can't stop fighting. We can't give up, even when people don't—because there are people I know that have supported the work of PJTN that don't think—not that they don't think it's a problem, what's happening here in our country is a problem. They don't see the seriousness, the implication if not corrected. If we don't have a course correction in this country, we're going to lose. We're already three generations behind. We've already lost three generations in K-12 education, and we see the evidence of that on the higher ed campuses.

If Shiri Bibas says we fight, you and I don't have the luxury not to fight. Her courage implicates us. Through her example, God is asking us what God asked the first human: "Where are you?" And it has to be about Zion and Zionism. What is the anti-Zionist anti-exactly? It's not just the existence of the Jewish state. Zion is, to the prophet Micah, the Torah goes forth from Zion and the word of God from Jerusalem.

That's what the anti-Zionists, whether it's left-wing intellectual or Jihadist, are anti. Jew-hatred is hatred of the other human being. Jew-hatred is hatred of God. It's hatred of the God who asks us: "Where is your brother and what have you done?" The questions put to Cain. That's what God wants. God doesn't want to know how you feel or what are your pronouns. Where's your fellow human being and what have you done? So we have to act. We have to do something. We have to fight, no matter what we might fear or think. Will it work or will it not? It's not up to us to determine. That's in God's hands. God needs our hands to help. Amen.

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Laurie Cardoza Moore: David, it's frightening to see what's happening on the college campuses. You're right here in a red state, a state with a governor who's trying to fight against the whole immigration threat, which we know terrorists have come in. Do you feel safe on campus?

Dr. David Patterson: Generally, I personally feel reasonably safe, but I worry a lot more about my students than about myself. I have students on my campus who have been physically assaulted and who have been spat upon, which is also a form of assault—spitting on somebody. They've been called horrific names. We have had a couple of students who have actually left the university because they were afraid to go to class.

Most of my students are not Jewish, but almost all of my students are close to Israel, close to Jewish people, have Jewish friends, including some Muslim students of mine. Very interesting. And they come—of course, I teach courses on Jewish tradition, Jewish thought, antisemitism, Holocaust, and they're all elective, so they choose to come to my seminars. Most of my seminars are for PhD students.

I have a couple of Muslim students who fled from Iran and the Iranian regime, which they utterly condemn. But they, those students who are friendly with Jews, who stayed at the side of Jews, are also attacked. They're called baby killers, perpetrators of genocide, and they have to hear chants of "Death to the Zionists." Zionists are Jews or anybody who supports Jews. So I worry about them more than myself as far as safety goes. They actually worry about me. I've had students say, "Let me walk you to your car."

Laurie Cardoza Moore: That's amazing. That is encouraging. Is there anything else? Because our audience is global. As you know, we're reaching over two billion potential viewers every year with our message. I hear from many of them who are so upset. They've been traumatized themselves by what's happening in Israel. We're feeling this emotional trauma, especially this past week with the Bibas family.

It's been overwhelming. It started in Jerusalem during the funeral procession and eventually it made its way around the globe where we're all feeling this wave of emotion. What would you say to the PJTN Watchmen about fighting this fight, standing up for what is right, looking at the importance of the work that we're doing at PJTN? Why our donors should support this effort, why our Watchmen should support this effort, no matter where they are on the planet?

Dr. David Patterson: One of the most important things we can do is to be informed—not just following the news every day, which we should, but to understand a certain history behind this. How did we get here? How did the academy come to this state of affairs? Where does Hamas come from? How are they connected?

Number two, I studied some Mishnah today, which is part of the Talmud, with an Israeli friend of mine. A Hasidic Jew in Israel, we were on the phone studying, and we devoted our study, our learning, to the memory of the Bibas family. This is something that anyone can do—study in the name of the Bibas family and the other victims. Understand what you have to protect.

The commandments concerning the Sabbath are *Zachor v'Shamov*: remember and observe, but it means *Shamov* means "watch over carefully" because this is very precious. Remember and watch over. Understand what the Jihadists and their allies on the campuses are trying to obliterate. October 7th was Simchat Torah, the day of rejoicing in the Torah. There was also in Israel Shmini Atzeret, the day of gathering when God gathers with His people after the Feast of the Tabernacles, after Sukkot.

That's what they're trying to obliterate. It was the Sabbath as well. It's not a coincidence. Understand, be a witness to what the Sabbath represents, to what rejoicing in Torah means, what it means when God comes to gather together and be with His children. Protect that. Remember and protect. Watch over. Be informed. Talk to each other. This is seriously traumatizing, and people who are traumatized need others to talk to. If you think you're alone, that just increases the trauma.

Throughout the world, and thanks to things like the internet and chat rooms, we can at least connect on that level. Better face to face, to come and sit together. But words have power. Words create angels. Words create and destroy worlds. So no one is helpless. Each of us has an impact for good or evil that exceeds our field of vision. It's not, "Can I make a difference?" It's, "What difference am I going to make?" Have faith and determination and courage. There's no faith without courage.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Very good point. Is there anything else you would like to say that you haven't said during our time to this audience?

Dr. David Patterson: I would like to say thank you. The Hebrew word for Jew, *Yehudi*, means "one who is grateful." When Jews wake up in the morning, observant Jews, the first words out of their mouth is, "Thank you. Thank you, God, for returning my soul."

So I want to express gratitude to the people who take the time and who have the courage to listen to this, to receive your message. Your message is one that implicates us. It puts us on the hook, which is what makes it so powerful. Proclaiming justice—you can't proclaim justice without declaring a responsibility of each of us for all. So I thank you for that and I thank anyone who has the courage to engage with your message and your work. I thank them and I thank them for supporting PJTN.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Dr. Patterson, thank you so much. This has been the highlight of this whole convention, having this conversation with you. Thank you for sharing all your wisdom with us. God bless you. Please keep up the great work.

What you're doing is critically important as well because you're bringing truth to the nations. And yes, words do have meanings, and words spoken out into the air can create. We can change, we can make the difference, we can change the world just by our words and by our actions. We can change the world or we can destroy the world. Good point. We can change it. We can elevate the world. We can sanctify it. Amen. Amen. Thank you for coming out today.

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