Proclaiming Justice with Laurie Cardoza Moore

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Welcome back to Proclaiming Justice, a PJTN podcast. On today's podcast, we are continuing our conversation with Yaffat Batya DeCosta about the rise of the replacement theology threat and God's eternal covenant that He made with Israel. During our last podcast, we discussed the rise of Christian antisemitism on social media with leading antisemites like Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, and Candace Owens. We are witnessing a growing number of Christians who are turning against the Jews and Israel because of the Jews' rejection of Jesus as the Messiah.

Today, we're going to discuss the term Judeo-Christian. Vice President J.D. Vance recently spoke at the AmFest for Turning Point USA and made the statement that the US is a Christian nation. Ladies and gentlemen, today we're going to talk about that. The United States of America—and this is based on the response from a recent email that I sent out talking about removing Judeo from Judeo-Christian—we had a tremendous response from many people, both Jews and Christians, about that comment that I made.

This is critically important, ladies and gentlemen, and that's why we are dedicating this show to that information. The United States of America would not be the nation that it is without our foundational biblical principles, which are founded in the Torah of Moses. I know I couldn't have a better person to have on the show to talk about this because of the history of how we removed, how we have gotten away—how Americans, American Christians in particular, have gotten away from that Judeo-Christian foundation. This is critical for us to understand. So I want to welcome Yaffa back to the Proclaiming Justice podcast. Yaffa, thank you so much for joining us again.

Yaffat Batya DeCosta: Laurie, you're so welcome. I really enjoy your show so much. By the way, I also really loved that last newsletter you put out where you talked about this term Judeo-Christian and the removal of the term Judeo. It was just an excellent newsletter. Thank you so much again for all that you do.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Absolutely. Of course, you understand that if we remove the Judeo from Judeo-Christian, there is no Christian, because Christians would not be where we are if it had not been for the Jews, for them standing at Mount Sinai and taking on the commandments, the Ten Commandments, when they said, "We will do and we will hear."

Unfortunately, many Christians are not educated about this. There was a conversation going on on a Facebook post. I wasn't familiar with the group, but the group professed to be a conservative women's group in Williamson County, and this is in Tennessee. Of course, that's where we've been for 35 years. I looked at the group of women. They were talking about this whole issue about Israel.

This group wanted to create a platform for Christians to have this conversation, or conservatives to have this conversation, about Israel. If you disagree with the Israeli government, it's okay. You can disagree. You're welcome here. But then I read that the admin of this conservative Williamson County women's group said that if you didn't believe that the Holocaust took place, you're welcome here.

When I read that, I responded. I interjected straight away and said, "Is this what conservative Christian women have come to? Lies? Accepting people to spew their lies on this platform, in this communication? Is that what you've become?" Well, of course, the admin didn't like what I had to say. I signed off. I said, "I'm not going to be part of this group."

But the conversation ensued after I made my comments and told the women, "Look at yourselves in the mirror. Wake up." This so frustrates me, Yaffa. I get very passionate about this because we have done—as the Christian church has done—a horrible job in educating Christians from a biblical perspective. We have wiped out the branch or the limb that we sit on. So that's why I wanted to have you on the show today, Yaffa, to have this conversation, to talk about the history. How did we get to being a Judeo-Christian nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles to removing the Jewish part of America's history or even of Christianity?

Yaffat Batya DeCosta: There are a couple of things here that are just so fundamental, and again, you're absolutely correct, people aren't being taught these kinds of fundamentals. But the thing is the term Christian. You have the term Christ, and we know what that term means. It means Messiah. Both Jews and non-Jews came together in communities. The Jewish people who believed that Jesus of Nazareth was the Messiah—so there were Jews and non-Jews and the non-Jews were first called Christians in Antioch.

The non-Jews. But the Jews who believed at that time that he was the Messiah were never called Christians. They were called Nazarene Jews, and later they were called Ebionites, but that's getting off track. So what Paul did in his teachings was he created communities of people who had this belief that Jesus was the Messiah, and he was going to return even within that generation and all of that business and do the prophecies of the end days.

The nation of the United States, the Founding Fathers also had that vision of Jewish and Christian together and sharing the values, the core principles. The Hebrew Bible that was taught by Paul, shared by Paul, quoted by Jesus himself—I'm going to get to that in a minute. So those communities of Jews and Christians together understood that they shared something.

They had something very profound that they shared, and in the first century, that was the Hebrew Bible. The core principles and values and everything that was shared by the Founding Fathers of America was also the Hebrew Bible, not to say it didn't include what's called the New Testament, but it definitely also included the Hebrew Bible with the types of Christian communities of many Protestant sects. There were some Catholics as well, and of course, the Jews.

America was founded on those principles and those shared values, and it literally was kind of like—I don't want to speak for the Founding Fathers, I've never spoken to them, so I can't quote them—but it was kind of like recreating on a national level what Paul was creating all over Asia Minor in his communities of Jews and non-Jews together believing in this person as the Messiah.

I want to give people the rock-bottom anchor for this to understand how fundamental this is, and it's at Mark chapter 12, and it starts with verse 28 and it ends in verse 30, this passage that I'm going to share. Verse 31 is also important, but verses 28 to 30 of Mark 12 go like this. One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating, talking about Jesus and his disciples, his followers. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, "Of all the commandments, which is the most important?" First of all to notice, he's asking Jesus about the commandments, which is the Torah, of course.

Verse 29 says, "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." He's quoting Deuteronomy 6:4, which is the thing Jews say every day, twice a day, minimum twice a day.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: It's also called the Shema. Just hold on one second, Yaffa, because I want this to sink in for our audience. This is Jesus, who is a Jew, who is quoting the Shema as the greatest commandment. Now all of these Christians who follow Jesus—because that's what Christian means, is to follow him—we have right here in Jesus' own words, he's quoting back to the Torah.

He's quoting back the Shema, which is in the Old Testament or the Tanakh. But a lot of Christians today are saying the Old Testament is not relevant. Well, if it's not relevant, then why was Jesus quoting from it? Think about this, ladies and gentlemen. This was in Mark chapter 12. It's asking one of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating, noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer. They recognized the answer. Why? Because it was back from the Torah. Of all the commandments—he's quoting the commandments—which is the most important? And he responded and said the Shema is the most important: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Ladies and gentlemen, when we hear people—I'm going to just sit here for a minute because I hear this stuff all the time, Yaffa, and it so frustrates me that this is common sense. If you read every verse and you let it sink in, who is the author? What is the author trying to say? This is so important, ladies and gentlemen, because it's the lack of biblical understanding, it's the biblical illiteracy that keeps us from seeing this covenant, this promise that is eternal. How are Christians connected to this covenant? Yaffa, please, you can continue. I had to get that off my chest.

Yaffat Batya DeCosta: No, that's fine, that's really fine. But it goes on. Verse 30, the very next verse says, because he continues to quote the Shema, and the next verse in the Shema says—and he quotes it in verse 30 of Mark 12—"Love the Lord your God," that he just said, "the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength." That's verse 30.

But here's the thing, and this is another fundamental for people to understand that people who truly quote the Bible, who really understand the Bible and quote it accurately, do not take things out of context. When they comment or quote one or two verses, they also are agreeing with the verses ahead of those verses before them and the verses after those two verses, because that is the context.

Guess what? Deuteronomy 6:4 goes all the way to verse nine if you want the whole context of Deuteronomy 6:4. Jesus would have meant all of it because he would not have been the kind of person, obviously, to quote something out of context, meaning not also accepting and recognizing and acknowledging the verses that come after it or before it if that was the case are also true.

So let me continue in the Torah in Deuteronomy. It says the next verse says, after "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your resources," as it quotes it in the Torah, the next one says, "Let these matters which I command you today be upon your heart. Teach them thoroughly to your children and speak of them while you sit in your house, while you walk on the way, when you retire, and when you arise. Bind them as a sign upon your arm and let them be to tefillin between your eyes."

This is the men putting on the tefillin, laying tefillin. These boxes and leather straps, which a lot of times Jews get mocked for and ridiculed about. But this is what it says in the Torah to do. And then it says, "And write them—write what? Write them, the words of the Torah—write them on the doorposts of your house and upon your gates." So that's the full context of what Jesus quoted even though he only quoted the first two verses. Obviously, he means all of it.

Then just to give you the second part because it's very important, verse 31 of Mark 12 says, "And the second is this: Love your neighbor as yourself," which I know many Christians know that verse. So to be a Christian, because again the term Christ we know means Messiah, but Christian or Christos in the Greek means follower of the Messiah. In the first century, that's who they thought the Messiah was.

Well, how can you follow a teacher—and he was a teacher, he's called teacher, he's called rabbi in the New Testament verses—how can anyone understand what it means to follow someone if not following his teachings? Because that's who he was, and that's what he wanted people to do was to follow what he was teaching.

The thing is this, when people say, Laurie—and I'm going to explain how this happened—when people say, "Oh, but the Old Testament is invalid anymore, it's irrelevant, it's done away with and all this stuff," they are quoting the Letter to the Hebrews 8:13, chapter eight, verse 13. The New International Version translates it like this: "By calling this covenant new, he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete is outdated and will soon disappear."

Did Paul say that? Well, there are 14 letters that were originally attributed to Paul, and modern Christian scholars, not Jewish, not anybody else, modern Christian scholars only accept seven of those 14 were authentically written by Paul. Hebrews is not one of them. So no, Paul never said this that Paul quoted the Hebrew Bible just like Jesus also quoted the Hebrew Bible. This was their religion. This is who they were as Jews.

I don't know, maybe in some way, some people think Paul and Jesus, when we say they were Jews, that we mean only genetically but not spiritually or religiously. Maybe that's what's going on in some people's minds. I know some Christians say, "Well, Jesus was the first Christian," which of course can't be true. No Jew was ever called Christian, much less Jesus.

The term didn't even come around until later. So I don't understand where people are coming from except, of course, that they have been taught incorrectly. Now, how did this letter to the Hebrews get into the canon and when? Well, it was late fourth century by the Romans. The Roman version of Christianity is what caused all this problem. It included this letter to the Hebrews which says the original covenant is now old and obsolete.

Paul never said that. Paul's Christianity never said that. It's Roman Christianity that said that historically. These are historical facts. The whole thing with replacement theology, and we've talked about it before, is Roman, not Pauline. Obviously, Pauline has the olive tree.

So when people say that the nation of the United States, America, is Christian and they leave off the word Judeo, it's a lie. Point number one, it's not the truth. Point number two, if it were the truth, then it's not even a form of Christianity if it doesn't have the Judeo part, the Jewish part, the Hebrew Bible part, the words of Jesus, and all that other stuff. It's not even a form of Christianity to be honest, even though the Romans kept that term.

Christianity was becoming more popular even though they were still being persecuted until Constantine stopped it in 313. They were still on and off, the Christians were on and off being persecuted for not worshipping the emperor, for not burning incense to the emperor and being a part of what was called the imperial cult, the Roman imperial cult.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Pagan worship. It's paganism.

Yaffat Batya DeCosta: Right. But Paul had been teaching them about the one God. You're not to worship anyone except the one God like the Jews. That's what Paul was teaching people. So the Christians were not burning incense anymore to the emperor, and they were punished for that. It was a crime, essentially. They were killed, they were fed to the lions for that reason.

Even though that was the case, it was still a very, very popular thing and more and more popular over the next couple hundred years, especially among women and the poor and slaves, the lower classes, not the elite. Well, the elite finally figured it out. The pagan gods were less popular, the gods were fighting with each other all the time, their followers were fighting with each other obviously because the gods were fighting with each other, the pagan gods.

Constantine wanted to—this was a political decision to unite the empire under one religion and the concept of one God. Well, but then they changed it, the Council of Nicaea, to be one God, yes, but three persons, which of course is never, never talked about in the Hebrew Bible or Paul or anybody else. So they kind of forced it on everybody, on all the pagans. So they are the ones who created the canon. That's how this letter of the Hebrews that says the original covenant has been done away with, that's how it got into the canon. That's who put it into the canon, and it's not Pauline.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: I want to just mention here that if you find a scripture or a principle in the New Testament, we know that the word says that a matter is confirmed before a cloud of two to three witnesses. Well, a lot of times Christians read that and they think the witnesses must be people. The two to three witnesses that it refers to is the Torah, the Writings like Proverbs and the Psalms, and the Prophets.

So that was everything that the prophets wrote. When Christians base or quote New Testament scriptures that they are quoting out of what the Bible is referring to or is communicating, they are bringing in doctrines and traditions of men. Unfortunately, in Christian history, we too often—Christians too often—will quote the doctrines and traditions of men as opposed to confirming a matter like this scripture in Hebrews 8:13.

I want to just speak to our audience and tell them what you need to do is try to find that same verse in the Torah, the first five books, in the Prophets, and in the Writings. If you can find where what's stated in Hebrews 8 is communicated, then okay, then we can trust that it's there. But if you can't find it there, then you have to ask yourself why.

Because Jesus didn't come with a new set of gospels. He didn't come with new scriptures. He was trying to bring clarity so that people would know how to live and conduct their lives. Unfortunately, within Christianity, most Christians sit under a teacher, a pastor, who never comes out of the New Testament scriptures. He never links them to show the connection so that we understand the totality of what is being communicated, what Jesus was saying. Not pagan, idol worship.

This is, again, the problem. We have a lot of Christians who are biblically illiterate because they trust whatever their pastor says instead of going to see, is my pastor correct? They need to go and search the scriptures to show themselves approved, not bank what they believe on what some man teaches. Put your faith in no man, we're told.

Yaffat Batya DeCosta: Absolutely. Only in God.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Amen. Amen.

Yaffat Batya DeCosta: In the Middle Ages, when the only people who had these verses, these documents, these scrolls—they were scrolls at that time, I'm sure they were copied and copied over and over again and shared—were the monks and the friars, the Middle Age pastors of those days, if you will, the teachers. So the people, the peasants, the peasantry and the people who were illiterate, uneducated, couldn't even read, they absolutely had an excuse if they were following what that monk or friar or whatever you want to call them, teacher, was telling them, even including go kill the Jews because they killed Christ and all this other stuff that used to be said at that time and was used as justification for slaughtering people, slaughtering Jews specifically.

So they kind of had no other alternative but to believe what those people were telling them because they didn't have access to the New Testament, the scrolls, the writings that those people had. Today, there is no excuse. People can read these letters and these documents for themselves. More than that, they can read the Nag Hammadi gospels, like the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Mary, all these others that were found in Egypt in a place called Nag Hammadi.

There were other areas where there was archaeology going on that were finding remnants of various texts. And of course, you've got the Dead Sea Scrolls. I mean, we have so much available to us today, but the most—and I want to say most because there are always exceptions—the most of the Christian world still is not accepting to go into any of that and to really start to understand Judaism and the Hebrew Bible well enough to be able to put Jesus into his, and Paul as well, into their proper context of the Judaism of their day. Because that was their religion.

Christianity was a version of Judaism for the non-Jews was what it was. So how can people claim to be a Christian? And again, I understand that they don't understand this phenomenon. But it's such a fraud, Laurie, that's the only word I can come up with. Such a con game and such a fraud that people aren't taught authentically what the New Testament means, what Paul wrote and the other people wrote in the context of the Judaism of that day, because that's where they were coming from.

All the writers, with the exception of Luke, some people think he was Gentile, doesn't matter, most of the writers were Jews and their religion was Judaism. From Peter and James and Paul and of course, Jesus himself when he's quoted. So it's just such a fraud and most people don't understand it. Now, this fraud has been going on now for 1,700 years. We just ended the year 2025. The Council of Nicaea was in 325 of the Common Era. That's 1,700 years this fraud has been going on, called the Roman version of Christianity that changed so much of this stuff. It just blows me away.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Absolutely. It's led the Christians astray and it's taught a false gospel message. I look at scriptures in the Book of Luke chapter 4:43 where Jesus said that the only reason why he came—and I'm paraphrasing this—the only reason why he came was to preach the Kingdom of God. That was the sole purpose.

His disciples, when he was getting ready to be carried up, they asked him, "Will you at this time"—they believed he was the Messiah, but there was one thing that he had not done that the Messiah was supposed to do—and they said, "Will you at this time restore the kingdom back to Israel?" All these people who say Israel is done, the rebirth of the modern State of Israel is unimportant, it's that mentality that prevents people from understanding the time and the season we are living in.

This is so critical and most Christians are oblivious to it. When I see these comments on social media by people that people respect—I don't know how, like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson—I don't know how people respect them, but these are people that are lying and deceiving people. Is it intentional? Is this part of an overall agenda? For their sakes, I hope not. Otherwise, they're going to stand before Almighty God. They're going to have to give a response.

We're told in the prophet Joel in chapter three, "Proclaim this to the nations, prepare for war." There is a battle coming and that battle is waging. We see it even happening today. We see the rise of Islam and what are the Islamists doing? Who are they killing and raping? It's Jews and Christians. The West is looking at what's happening, what's unfolding, and they're oblivious to understand this is an old war. The Islamists have not changed. They have been very public that we're coming after the Saturday people, the Jews, and the Sunday people, the Christians.

What is it that Christians do not understand? Why are Judeo-Christian values so critically important, not just here in the United States, but the other Western countries? Because the other Western countries followed our lead. They were basically Christians who helped found their nations historically.

If they don't understand—we're looking at what's happening in Venezuela right now. I'm sure a lot of these people, Venezuelans, are probably descendants of the Sephardic Jews who were forced to convert to Christianity and then persecuted. Ladies and gentlemen, this is such an important conversation for us to have. I hope you are hearing what Yaffa and I are talking about. This is so essential to understand what is the hour.

Do you understand the hour? Do you understand the time that you are living in, that we are living in? Do you understand why you were put here for this hour, for such a time as this? We should not squander what God has given to each one of us. God put us on this planet at this time, knowing all of these events would unfold for such a time as this.

But we squander what he is doing because we don't study his word to show ourselves approved. We listen to man and man's teaching and we get carried away in doctrines and traditions. Whether it's Catholic doctrine, whether it's Episcopalian doctrine or Methodist doctrine, whatever it is, we get carried away into what the church doctrine teaches for that denomination instead of just going right to the scriptures, praying and asking God to give you wisdom as you read the word and letting him speak to you through his word, through his written word, through what he spoke to Moses. He spoke face to face.

Yaffat Batya DeCosta: Absolutely. And so as to not be accused myself by others of taking something out of context, let me continue with Mark 12 because the second part of this is also very fundamental. I ended with verse 31 where Jesus says the second, meaning the second greatest commandment, is love your neighbor as yourself. The rest of it is also up to verse 34, absolutely essential and fundamental.

Verse 32: "Well said, teacher," the man replied. "You are right in saying that God is one and there is no other but him." Verse 33: "To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important"—now this is the key because he's just repeated what Jesus had said—"is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices."

That's how important it was. It's not even as important as the temple and everything that was going on at the temple. People have come at me on X, for example, not in a mean way, but in a way of trying to understand how can you still have Judaism, how can you still have what you call Judaism when there's no temple, there's no ability to bring sacrifices and offerings like the Jews used to do in the first century? Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 of the Common Era. Your religion is also gone therefore. They don't understand that was never the issue. These two commandments are the most important, even more important, this man says to Jesus, even more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.

And then verse 34: When Jesus saw that he, this man, had answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not far from the Kingdom of God." And from then on, no one dared ask him any more questions. It's like that's the bottom line as we say in the business world. Bottom line is the Shema: love the Lord your God, love your neighbor as yourself, it's more important than sacrifices and burnt offerings. This is the Iker, this is the all of everything of Judaism for both Jews and non-Jews alike. This is what Jesus said and this is what Paul was bringing out to the Gentiles. He was the apostle to the Gentiles. He was bringing that out to the people in Asia Minor.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: When they asked Jesus, "Will you at this time restore the kingdom back to Israel?" This was important to them, just as this man who's having this conversation with Jesus. This is what's important, ladies and gentlemen, the Kingdom of God. Well, a kingdom, think about this, a kingdom has laws, it has boundaries, it has a culture. And what does that culture consist of? What are the boundaries, what are the laws?

We have to think as we're studying these New Testament scriptures, we have to put everything in its proper context. We have to understand who are the people, what did they believe, what was going on in the society at the time? That way we don't misunderstand what is being spoken to us. When people like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson misquote the scriptures or take the scriptures out of their proper context to reinforce antisemitism, you should run from those people. You should not give them the time of day. They are wolves in sheep's clothing who are leading the flock astray.

Yaffa, on that note, we're going to have to wrap up the show again. We'll have you back because these conversations are so informative. Ladies and gentlemen, we do want to hear from you. Drop us a note at info@pjtn.org or leave a comment below. We would love to hear your thoughts as well. I hope you found this program informative.

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Yaffat Batya DeCosta: Well, I would just add one other thing. Paul had warned about a different gospel, so it's hard to figure out what he was warning about and whether he actually had a vision of and foresaw, maybe, the destruction of Judeo-Christian communities. Because that's exactly what happened under the Romans. They persecuted the Jews and they took over Christianity and made it something different, and still called it Christianity.

But it was a political decision by the Emperor Constantine. And the Founding Fathers of America felt so strongly about—you say power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, it's a famous expression—and the Founding Fathers of America were so keenly aware not to have church and state, those two powers, because they're very powerful in and of themselves, together and influencing each other. The church should always be separate from the state, and that's why.

It's because of what happened, what Rome did, and the power, the combined power of church and state of Constantine and the bishops who were at that Council of Nicaea and did what Constantine essentially wanted, because he kind of told them what to do. And that power created these lies and these deceptions and these concepts that are different from Pauline Christianity or what's called nascent first-form earliest form of Christianity and made it very totally different and created all these concepts like replacement theology and the theology of contempt for Jews. They brought the antisemitism in with them because they were antisemitic to begin with.

The Greco-Romans were, their antisemitism or Jew hatred, if you want to call it that, preferred, went all the way back to the third century BCE. So they brought it into their version of Christianity when they created this. This is historical fact. People can get up on encyclopedias and all kinds of things online and read more about all this stuff and the early Christian martyrs and why they were martyred and the things that I've been talking about.

This is not new for the scholars; it just hasn't filtered down to the common everyday person, high school graduates and even university or college graduates except in some universities where it's being taught. But it's taught very little and the majority of the Christian world, the pastors and the priests in the Catholic world and all this other stuff aren't teaching these things, aren't helping people to understand this stuff. So people are being deceived and it's just tragic because we're all responsible directly to God for what we do, what we think, what we say. And it encourages antisemitism and hatred.

Jesus said love your neighbor. That includes the Jews. So to not love the Jewish people and the foundation that Christianity sits upon, theoretically and in principles and all that, is against God's will is the bottom line. So the more people are turned by Candace and Tucker and anybody else against the Jewish people, they're turning them against God himself. It's just horrific in my mind.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Well, the other point I want to make in putting this in context is when Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself, who was his neighbor? The man that was talking to Jesus, who was his neighbor? He was a Jew. He wasn't a Greco-Roman. He was a Jew and so love your neighbor as yourself, he's talking about his Jewish brethren.

Yaffat Batya DeCosta: And that's in the Torah. He was quoting Leviticus 19:18 in that one verse 31. Love your neighbor as yourself is a direct quote of Leviticus 19:18 from the Torah.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: So that's why the man understood and Jesus understood what the man was saying. So ladies and gentlemen, Yaffa, we're going to have to wrap up the show again. We'll have you back because these conversations are so informative. Thank you again for joining me on this edition of Proclaiming Justice. Please share this podcast with your family and friends. For more information about how you can get involved, please visit our website at pjtn.org. As a PJTN watchman, you can help us keep up the fight to preserve our freedom for our children and their children for such a time as this.