Proclaiming Justice with Laurie Cardoza Moore

Guest (Male): Today we are going to ask the question: Does Roman Christianity teach that God is a liar? Was the covenant God made with Israel conditional?

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: Did God lie? Would God actually violate an oath that he made? And he's the one in the Torah that said how important it was.

Guest (Male): That's right. Great question.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: When he said it's an eternal covenant. The people who believe in, who've been taught in, and they believe in and promote this replacement theology thing. To me, they're like the snake in the garden.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Welcome to Proclaiming Justice, a podcast from PJTN that focuses the light of truth on vital issues in today's headlines that impact every American. I'm your host, Laurie Cardoza Moore, founder and president of Proclaiming Justice to the Nations. I'm here to educate, motivate, and activate you to action.

I want to arm you with the truth and the facts you'll need to fight and preserve our constitutional republic and uphold the Judeo-Christian values our nation was founded upon. Welcome back to Proclaiming Justice, a PJTN podcast. On our podcast today, we are continuing our conversation with Rabbinate Yaffa Batya DaCosta about the rise of replacement theology and God's eternal covenant that he made with Israel.

Today we are going to ask the question: Does Roman Christianity teach that God is a liar? Was the covenant God made with Israel conditional? We are going to discuss this and more on today's podcast. Yaffa, welcome back to Proclaiming Justice.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: Thank you, Laurie, so very much. I really enjoy doing these podcasts with you, and I think the information is essentially vital for people to understand and search out the answers for themselves in the writings of the first century in the Hebrew Bible that was the foundation for the writings of the first century. They quoted the Hebrew Bible a lot, so I think it's very important for people to do this research and make sure they understand the issues involved with this. It's very important.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Absolutely. Unfortunately, a lot of people who are out on the front lines, who are taking on the disinformation being spread by people like Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, Megan Kelly, and others—Nick Fuentes—who are pushing this propaganda, these lies, confusing people.

In fact, I see it myself. Personally, I have been recently attacked by these individuals who are spreading disinformation and misinformation about myself personally just because I'm standing with Israel and the Jews. We know that there's going to be a price to pay, Yaffa. All we have to look back to is history, what's happened to people who have stood up for Zionism, who have stood up for the Jewish community in the past. Here we are. We shouldn't be surprised.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: Exactly. But one would think that people would have a little more intelligence than to do that—to attack others—because attacking other people is one of the four tools of cancel culture that go all the way back to the Roman period, to the Roman Empire. I wrote a book on this about cancel culture in the Roman period because it's existed in the West, Western civilization, since then. All the time.

I'll just briefly mention what the four tools are of cancel culture. Number one is censorship. Number two is propaganda spreading, like you just used the word disinformation. We can also say propaganda. The third tool is character assassination.

People will go after another individual with lies about them. It could be going back to their high school days or whatever and spread misinformation about them personally to degrade them in the public eye. This is done in the public, of course, to degrade them in the public eye. It's called character assassination, as if that person doesn't have a good character.

The fourth tool of cancel culture is violence, including murder, to shut someone up so they don't have the ability to speak the truth. It got to that in history under the Roman Church, under Roman Christianity and the Protestants as well, who carried that with them when they left Catholicism. They also kept some of the Roman stuff with them.

Know the history of the persecution of Jews. I don't even have to say any more than that because they didn't want this information, Laurie, that you and I are talking about and are going to get even deeper into today. They didn't want this information to get out from the Jewish people because, of course, the Jewish people knew the truth. They persecuted them to shut them up, and that was also violence with the Inquisition and all the rest. Most people know this history.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Absolutely. We've been addressing this on not just this podcast but through our programs, our Focus on Israel shows which our audience can get at the website, but also the documentary films that we're doing. The most recent one that we're trying to complete is *The Lost Jews of the Inquisition* because this is exactly what has happened.

I had a researcher who's been doing research on my family in Portugal. He sent me the list of what attacks happened to specifically the Cardoza family in Portugal, how they were tortured, how they were attacked and marginalized. All of these things that you just explained or just expressed are things that I saw that they had done historically to my family.

But not just my family, because there were millions that were targeted. Unfortunately, the character assassination, the false accusations, the disinformation that is being spread about people like myself and others who have the courage to publicly speak out and condemn what people are doing in the name of Christianity, in the name of Christ... Nothing is new under the sun. What has been will be again, and here we are.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: The bottom line is Christianity needs reform. So does Islam in terms of the radicals within Islam and the Islamists, they're called, and the jihadis. But we're not talking about that. We're talking about Christianity because there are so many good-hearted, beautiful Christian people who grew up with this, who've been taught this all their lives. They don't know any difference from what they've been taught. We're going to get into what it is that's so mind-boggling. It really is.

The thing is, it could create an existential issue or crisis for someone. But I just want to say at the outset, it doesn't need to create a crisis because all we're doing is talking about the first century, the nascent form of Christianity, the earliest form of Christianity, who are also called Biblical Christians today by people who go by this.

People need to know more about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. That was also the God of Jesus. Jesus called him God the Father, so who is he talking about? He's a Jew talking about the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. There can't be any confusion on this point, although there is because of this disinformation that you're mentioning.

Let me get into it. There are verses in the Hebrew Bible again, which was the foundation for early Christianity, nascent Christianity, that are very clear. There's no question what it's talking about. I hope people will write these verses down, chapter and verse, so they can study it on their own. It's so vital, so very important.

I'm not going to quote the whole thing; I'm just going to mention them. For example, Genesis chapter 17 talks about an eternal covenant that God made with Abraham and his descendants and also the possession of the land that he was giving to these people was supposed to be eternal. Another word used for the translators is everlasting.

No conditions except that if the Jewish people did not obey God and did not follow the Torah, they could be expelled from the land. They could be exiled from it, and that is true historically. But what also is true is there were prophecies about the regathering or ingathering of those exiles at the end of days, which we've seen going on since 1948, actually before '48, the creation of the state. There were Jewish people coming into the land in the 1800s, believing that they were a part of the fulfillment of that prophecy.

I'm going to be a little bit repetitive here and say, did God lie when he said it's an eternal covenant? This is what people need to ask. Another one is Genesis 22:1-19. At this point, God makes an oath to Abraham. An oath about his descendants being like the numbers in the stars, the stars in the heavens, the sand on the seashore, and the land was included in this oath that he was going to give him to him and to his descendants forever, eternal.

An oath is a very important thing in Torah. It's a very serious thing to violate an oath. For human beings, I'm saying. What the rabbis say is don't make an oath. Let your "yes" be "yes" and your "no" be "no," and don't make an oath because if you violate that oath, if you don't fulfill it, it's an extremely serious sin.

So here's the question for people to ask: Would God actually violate an oath that he made? He's the one in the Torah that said how important it was. Great question. It just boggles the mind. Then you have the Shema, which is Deuteronomy 6:4, "The Lord is one," meaning one alone, the Lord alone.

This is even quoted by Jesus in Mark chapter 12. We've talked about that in previous podcasts, that whole section of Mark where somebody asked Jesus what's the most important commandment of the Torah, and he says, "Hear, O Israel, the Lord your is your God, the Lord is one," which means one alone.

But here's some other stuff. Deuteronomy chapter 4:35-40. Again, read the whole chapter, people. Read it in context. This is important so that you see the totality of what is being communicated verse by verse. In Deuteronomy chapter 4:35-40, I'm going to read this portion. It's very good.

Moses is talking to the children of Israel: "You were shown these things so that you might know that the Lord is God; besides him, there is no other." That's Moshe. "From heaven he made you hear his voice to discipline you. On earth he showed you his great fire, and you heard his words from out of the fire. Because he loved your ancestors and chose their descendants after them, he brought you out of Egypt by his presence and his great strength, to drive out before you nations greater and stronger than you and to bring you into their land to give it to you for your inheritance, as it is today."

This is Moses talking. Then starting in 39 of chapter 4, Deuteronomy: "Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other." That's Moses saying this. "Keep his decrees and commands, which I am giving you today, so that it may go well with you and your children after you and that you may live long in the land the Lord your God gives you for all time." That's the everlasting part again.

Then there's a couple, three more. Nehemiah chapter 9:6, one of the prophets: "You alone are the Lord. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens and all their starry host, the earth and all that's on it, the seas and all that's in them. You give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you."

By the way, even Jesus, and I don't have that quote, but it's in the first-century writings, even Jesus is quoted as saying God is spirit and is to be worshipped in spirit and in truth. Then you have Isaiah chapter 44:6: "This is what the Lord says—Israel's King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God."

Now, that verse is quoted in the book of Revelation, but it's God speaking. Nobody else ever says I am the first, I am the last, apart from me there is no God. That's God. That's a quote from Isaiah chapter 44:6 and then Isaiah 45:5, the last one for now: "I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God." Did he lie? That's the question. Did he lie?

Laurie Cardoza Moore: That's a good question. We have to ask ourselves.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: What occurred to me in my noodling about all this is that there's a connection, or at least in my mind, I connected two dots. I connected all of what I just said with the fall of humankind in Genesis. In the book of Genesis chapter 3 where it talks about the serpent. You know this story, I'm sure you do. I'm going to read and then we'll talk about it.

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman: Did God really say: You must not eat from any tree in the garden? And the woman said to the serpent: We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say: You must not eat fruit from the tree that's in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die. And then the serpent says to the woman: You will not certainly die, for God knows that when you eat from it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Here's the thing. The Christians who follow this Roman thing that was developed 1700 years ago—we've talked about 1700 years—the people who believe in, who've been taught in, and they believe in and promote this replacement theology thing... to me, they're like the snake in the garden.

Because their belief system implies the following. Question: Did God really say that his, God's, covenant with Abraham and his descendants was eternal and everlasting? Then they will follow that question with this answer: God certainly did not say that the covenant was eternal. Paul in the first century wrote that there was a new covenant.

This is what these Christians believe who follow replacement theology. They say Paul wrote that there's a new covenant. They quote 1 Corinthians 11:25. And Jesus in Luke 22:20 said, "The cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." Here's what they're saying. This replacement theology is saying this: the phrase "new covenant in my blood" appears most prominently in Luke 22:20 and 1 Corinthians 11:25.

In the Berean Standard Bible, Luke 22:20 reads: "In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying: This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you." And here's the Roman Christian explanation: this new covenant refers to the divinely established relationship between God and humanity, mediated and sealed by the sacrificial death of Jesus.

The covenant supersedes or replaces the old or Mosaic covenant given at Mount Sinai and introduces a transformative promise: salvation by grace through faith rather than adherence to the letter of the law. This is the way Christians would interpret this new covenant thing.

But Laurie, this is vital for people to understand: the law, the Torah, was not ever a means to salvation. It was a means of separation of Israel from the 70 nations. God used the Torah to separate out this people for himself and to carry the Torah through the generations. That's what it was. It never was about salvation. Jews are saved the exact same way as everybody else: by God's grace through faith in God, lest any man should boast, as Paul would say. It has nothing to do with the letter of the law.

And just one more point: this Last Supper episode is also in Matthew chapter 26 and verse 27 says, "This is the blood of the covenant." In other words, some manuscripts don't say "new." It just says "the blood of the covenant." God made a covenant with the Israelites, and part of that covenant is that if somebody dies, if somebody is killed and they're a righteous individual... this is a part of Judaism, the death of that person has an atoning quality for the people of that generation.

But there's two caveats or two conditions: one, they have to repent of their sins, and two, it's only for that generation of that person who died. Because it inspires them, the righteous person who dies, the atoning quality is that it inspires the people of that generation to repent of their sins and become righteous.

That's what was behind all this conversation about covenant and propitiation of sin—Jesus died for the atonement so that people's sins would be atoned for. But only from a Jewish point of view, only in that generation and only if those people repented of their sins. So repentance is very key to that. Both Jesus and John the Immerser, John the Baptist, also taught repentance from sin to become righteous. It's all throughout the first-century writings.

What the Romans did later, and this is all based on the writings of the church fathers, the Greco-Roman church fathers who hated the Jews with a passion going all the way back to the 3rd century BCE, they wanted to change Christianity to mold it so it would be more acceptable to the pagans and their vision of... you have to have a physical body.

A god has to have a physical presence. Well, in Judaism, no. The God of the Jews has no physicality, has no physical whatever. The Romans hated that. They thought it was superstition to worship a god that doesn't have any kind of physicality. In the pagan world, you had to have statues of the gods, you had to have temples to worship them and do all your stuff with statues of them and images of them. The people of Rome had to burn incense to the image of the emperor. You had all this stuff going on.

And what Constantine wanted in order to unify the empire—not under a pagan god but under this so-called Christian god... the whole thing that happened in 325 at the Council of Nicaea was to resolve this dispute: whether Jesus was a created being or whether he was God incarnate come down. The Athanasius followers won the dispute, and so Constantine went along with it and changed Christianity forever under Roman theology, under Roman understanding and Roman culture and pagan and Plato and all this.

Look, if people want to believe that stuff, of course, there's freedom of religion for everybody, but there hasn't been freedom of religion for Jews for 1700 years. And now they bring it up again in our face that we have to become Christian in order to have salvation. Well, Paul never said that. Jesus never said that. If we believe in God, which we have and we do, always believing in God with the exception of whoever's an exception... but Jews in general following the Torah, part of that is believing in Hashem.

So all of this stuff that's going on now, Rabbi Tovia Singer is correct: until Darby in the 1800s, all of Christianity was like this. Well, the majority—there were Unitarians. But all of the Catholics and the Protestants who followed the Catholics were into this replacement theology. It's only been since Darby and the Scofield Bible and later developments that we even have Christian evangelicals who say, wait a minute, God isn't done with the Jews. God didn't curse the Jews. God didn't do away with the Jews. That's right.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: But they're so public about it and so adamant about it that Jews have to convert and become Christian. Christianity, that term was only used for the gentiles to begin with, and the Jews who believed that he was the Messiah were called Nazarenes and didn't have to leave Judaism and didn't have to violate the Torah. That's the truth.

This is all so interesting and thought-provoking, especially for our audience. I'm sure that there are many in the audience that are listening to what you are saying and are saying, "Yes, that's me. I remember growing up and hearing that." I myself was raised Catholic in a Catholic home. Some of the things that we typically hear coming from Catholics or Catholicism: that the Jews were the Christ-killers, all the anti-Semitic tropes that have been used against the Jews historically.

But you bring up the Scofield Bible, and I don't think a lot of people are aware of the controversy over the Scofield Bible. Can you enlighten our audience to talk about that? Or maybe we need to make this a part of a whole another program. But I think it's something that we have to discuss because the problem that we have within Christianity... people are reading from different translations of their Bible.

They're not reading from the Tanakh or the Hebrew, even the Hebrew-to-English, which brings us a little bit closer to original thought and what is actually biblical. What would you say to the audience about the Scofield Bible to help them understand how we got to where we are? Where did the confusion set in?

We know the Catholic Church has its own Catholic Bible. It's altered the Ten Commandments. We know that the Protestants have their King James Version or New King James Version or whatever translation they have. But what is it about the Scofield Bible?

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: Well, it was a Bible—and we will have to do a special program on this, it's pretty extensive—but the Scofield Bible was a Bible that translated the first-century writings of what Christians called the New Testament from this perspective of Darby. Darby was a theologian who came to the United States from Europe like so many other people in the 19th century, and he figured it out that this replacement theology stuff of the Romans was not biblical, was not scriptural of what the Christians would say is scripture in the first-century writings.

It does not comport; it does not agree with Paul's writings. Now, some of the writings of what was canonized in the end of the 4th century by the Romans... that's where the canon comes from, and they chose what to put into the canon of what would become for the Christians their Bible, the New Testament part. Hebrews, the Letter to the Hebrews is in there, and that wasn't written by Paul. That's the one that most strongly says God did away with the Jews and has cursed—I don't know if it says cursed them or it just doesn't have anything to do with them anymore. The covenant went to the Christians; the Christians are now the true Israel or whatever.

But the book of... so when the Bible came out originally, or the New Testament came out originally, there were 14 letters attributed to Paul. But as the scholars got more into it and maybe also in the 19th century as early as that... I remember the Jesus Seminar. I can't tell off the top of my head the names of some of the scholars that were a part of that. But they started blowing some of that away. That was like 20 or 30 years ago. There's a wonderful PBS video on this about how did Jesus go from Jesus to Christ? How did he go from being Jesus from Nazareth to the Christ? And it talks about all kinds of stuff.

Maybe it started in the 19th century, but certainly Darby was an exception to the rule of replacement theology. I think Scofield, just to be very general and high-level summary level, created a version of the New Testament that followed along with or coincided with Darby's version of Christianity, which is more consistent with what's really written in the first-century writings before the Romans changed things, before they actually started monkeying with the manuscripts and adding words to the text like the word "new" in front of the word "covenant" when Jesus is talking about the cup. In some manuscripts, it doesn't say "new." It just says, "the cup, my blood of the covenant."

He's talking about the covenant that God made with the Israelites. It's not new. Or if you want to have the word "new" there, the word in Hebrew is *hadash*; it can also be translated "renewal." And when Paul talks about Jeremiah 31:31, again, if people don't read the whole chapter, they're going to miss the really important part of that prophecy about the Torah being written on our heart.

It talks about Israel, by the way. That's why Christians have to say they're the new Israel because these verses that they want to apply to themselves, these prophecies that they want to apply to themselves, it talks about Israel, so they have to say they're the new Israel. Right? Well, wait a minute. Did that prophecy get fulfilled? You know whether it got fulfilled or not... read up to verse 34. It says the world would be a totally different place and everybody would know God directly for themselves. There'd be no need to teach anybody about God anymore.

So has that been fulfilled? Then if you talk to a Christian person who's trying to convert somebody like me, a Jew, to Christianity, and I bring that up, they go, "Well, he's doing it from heaven. He's doing things in heaven, Jesus, fulfilling things that we cannot see." In order to get around the problem of that prophecy has not been fulfilled, verse 34. And with all the crime and corruption and everything else in the world that's going on—people know about these things—how can they say that verse 31 has been fulfilled? That the law of God, the Torah of God, the way to live one's life has been written on our hearts in this world. How can people say that?

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Well, here's an interesting thing too, Yaffa, and I just want to read from the book of Jeremiah. I think the prophecy that was given to Jeremiah about these days in chapter 31 of Jeremiah, verse 30... it says:

"Behold, days are coming, the word of Hashem, when I will seal a new covenant—this is for all those new covenant Christians out over there, so hear it out—a new covenant, this is Jeremiah the prophet, with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah."

So we have to ask ourselves the question: if he's going to seal a covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, a new covenant, where is the church? Where's the Catholic Church? Where's the Anglican Church? Where's the Protestants? Where's the Baptist? Where are they? Because all these Christians say, "I'm a new covenant believer." It goes on to say:

"Not like the covenant that I sealed with their forefathers on the day that I took hold of their hand to take them out of the land of Egypt, for they abrogated my covenant, although I became their master, the word of Hashem. For this is the covenant that I shall seal—this is Hashem telling Jeremiah—shall seal with the house of Israel after those days, the word of Hashem. I will place my Torah within them, and I will write it onto their heart. I will be a God for them, and they will be a people for me."

So here we are. All these Christians tell me all the time, "Oh, we don't have to keep the Torah. We don't have to follow those laws." Well, gosh, what are we going to do with this? It goes on to say just like what you had just repeated:

"They will no longer teach each man his fellow, each man his brother, saying, 'Know Hashem,' for all of them will know me, from the their smallest to the greatest, the word of Hashem. I will forgive their iniquity, and I will no longer recall their sin."

And he goes on to establish that:

"Thus said Hashem, who gives the sun as a light by day and the laws of the moon and the stars as a light by night, who agitates the seas so that its waves roar. Hashem, Master of Legions, is his name. If these laws could be removed from before me, the word of Hashem, so could the seed of Israel cease from being a people before me forever. Thus said Hashem, if the heavens above could be measured or the foundations of the earth plumbed below, so too would I reject the entire seed of Israel because of everything they did, the word of Hashem. Behold, days are coming, the word of Hashem, when the city will be built up unto Hashem from the Tower of Hananel until the corner gate. The measuring line will once again be stretched out over Gareb Hill and around Goa. And all the valley of the corpses and the places of the ashes and all the fields up to the Kidron Valley until the corner of the Horse Gate to the east will be holy unto Hashem. It will not be abandoned nor destroyed again forever."

So right here, as long as the suns... yeah, the sun rose today, the moon and the stars were out last night, the waves are roaring up against the seashore. As long as those things are still going on, then this covenant will continue to exist. This is the new covenant for all the new covenant Christians who call themselves new covenant. It did not start in the New Testament. This was a prophecy that Hashem, that God himself, gave to Jeremiah.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: And it talks about a people that go all the way back to the Israelites who God redeemed from Mitzrayim. That's the Israel it's talking about. But the replacement theology people only want to quote the one verse, 31:31 of Jeremiah, and hope and maybe pray that people don't read that verse in context.

Because if they read it in context like you just did, they would understand that it's talking about Israel, the literal ethnic genetic descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Paul said, and the gentiles were added in, were grafted in. That's where the gentiles come in. But they do not replace the natural branches on the tree.

If people really read chapter 11 of the Letter to the Romans... yes, some were cut off, and we've talked about this before, who was cut off and why. It's not because they didn't believe in Jesus as the Messiah. But there were natural branches left on the tree for the gentiles, the wild branches in his metaphor, to be added on, to be grafted into the tree to join with them. They did not replace the natural branches.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: The Bible is clear too, Yaffa. The Bible is clear. God talked about the proselytes also in the book of Genesis. There was always a way for the gentiles to come into the fold. But the house of Israel that Jeremiah spoke of is the ten northern tribes. The house of Judah are the two southern tribes. And who are the two southern tribes? Judah and Benjamin. And the other ten comprised of the ten northern tribes of Israel.

That was the new covenant that God said he was going to make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. But again, it's like what you said: we have to read the Bible in its proper context. We can't just take scriptures out of thin air, pull it out of a book and a chapter and a verse and say, "This is what this believes."

We have to allow the Bible to define the Bible. I want to emphasize this to our audience: you cannot pick and choose what verses you want to tag and say mean whatever you think it means or what theologically you've been taught that it means. You have to let the Bible define itself. If we will just do that—read the texts in context and scripture—we will not be misled by these replacement theologists, by these anti-Semites like Tucker, like Candace, like all of these people, Nick Fuentes, who are pushing lies and disinformation to cause division to fuel the ancient hatred that has been between Jews and Christians.

We need to remember, ladies and gentlemen, Isaiah... we're reminded in the book of Isaiah, chapter 11, that in the last days, Judah and Ephraim are going to unite together against the enemies of Israel coming from the east and the west. Well, you can either be on God's side and join forces with brother Judah, or you can be against God and you can work against his promise, his relationship between Judah and between Ephraim.

Yaffa, I know we've got to wrap it up, we're coming to the end of our program. Is there anything else you want to include, you want to communicate to our audience? Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to have this podcast available for you to listen to again. Just go to our website or go to Oneplace.com and you can listen to all of our past podcasts. Yaffa, what's your final comment to our audience?

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: Well, I think it's just essential for people to think about this and think about and try to imagine them standing before God someday and trying to answer his question: why did you believe in something that essentially implies I lied? And the same thing with Paul: did Paul lie in the book of Romans when he's talking about the gentiles being grafted into an olive tree to join the natural branches? Was that a lie?

The thing is, I don't know if some of these national so-called influencers on social media, I don't know if they understand what they're doing and how dangerous it is spiritually to people to believe in their disinformation and really the lies that they're putting out with the replacement theology stuff. Even subtly, just even mildly saying, "Well, are the Jews today in Israel actually Jews?" and they go down that path like Tucker Carlson did with Senator Cruz. I mean, it's very subtle. "I'm just asking questions," he constantly likes to say.

But the thing is, a person's relationship with the Creator of the Universe... I hope it's important to people. I hope it's important to people to think about if they're asked in the next world why did they accept all of this stuff and not look into it for themselves, not do the research for themselves, not read these scriptures or Bible verses or first-century writings for themselves and figure it out on their own and decide: did God lie or not?

Because that's the decision they have to make and they'll have to answer for. Everybody will have to answer for everything we believed and what we did and didn't do or said or didn't say. Everybody's going to answer for this. I just hope people will take this seriously enough to do the research on their own and for themselves or with their family or with friends or whatever and figure it out. The bottom line is it has eternal consequences, and I'm concerned about people for that.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: That's correct. Absolutely. Yaffa, thank you so much. This has, of course, been so enlightening. Ladies and gentlemen, I hope you found this program informative. We're going to post this podcast on our website and all of our podcast platforms so that you can share with your family and friends.

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