Proclaiming Justice with Laurie Cardoza Moore

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: For those who are interested in Bible prophecy, I recommend you read Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 because there are rabbis like many others who believe we are in the midst of the wars of Gog and Magog. Furthermore, what happened on October 7 in 2023 was the first of the beginning of Gog and Magog, which is again in Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39. It talks about an attack on unwalled villages. Of those 22 settlements, villages, whatever you want to call them next to the Gaza envelope where they came across the border and murdered people, 20 of them were unwalled.

The gates were open on Shabbat. It was both a Shabbat and Sukkot, the last day of Sukkot, Shmini Atzeret. In Bible prophecy, this war of Gog and Magog is supposed to start on Sukkot.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Welcome to Proclaiming Justice, a podcast from PJTN that focuses the light of truth on vital issues in today's headlines that impact every American. I'm your host, Laurie Cardoza Moore, founder and president of Proclaiming Justice to the Nations. I'm here to educate, motivate, and activate you to action. I want to arm you with the truth and the facts you'll need to fight and preserve our Constitutional Republic and uphold the Judeo-Christian values our nation was founded upon.

Welcome to Proclaiming Justice, a PJTN podcast. On today's podcast, we are continuing our conversation with Yaffa Batya DaCosta about the rise of the replacement theology threat and God's eternal covenant that He made with Israel. Today, we are going to discuss the controversy over the Scofield Bible. We are also going to discuss the US-Israel war with Iran and more on today's podcast. Yaffa, welcome back to Proclaiming Justice.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: Thank you, Laurie. Thank you so very, very much. I really enjoy doing these broadcasts with you. It's a lot of fun.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: I know, and we're hearing from our listeners. They enjoy hearing our conversation, listening to the conversation. So, we've got a regular calling that is tuning in to hear what we have to talk about with all these issues. There is so much to talk about, especially this week. We've got the war in Iran right now happening with America and Israel joining forces along with other Arab countries to get control of this regime. It's been a challenge for Israelis and the other Arab countries who have aligned themselves with Israel and the United States.

Our prayers are going up for all of you, Yaffa. In fact, we did a Bible study on the Book of Esther and we prayed last night with our Bible study group in the United States. Then this morning, I was on our Bible study with South Africa and again, we were studying the Book of Esther and we were praying. There is an all-out effort calling Christians to pray. There are these emergency prayer gatherings that are going on all over the country. I'm excited to see the level of interest. People realize that something is going on here.

Before we get into what's going on in Israel and your take on what's happening and what Christians can do, I want to talk about the Scofield Study Bible and John Nelson Darby and the controversies surrounding both of these things. We did a documentary film called "Israel Indivisible: The Case for the Ancient Homeland" and we talked a little bit about John Nelson Darby, the British parliamentarian. He was also someone who believed in the scriptures. Let's first start with the Scofield Study Bible because there are people who lost their lives based on this Bible or people that were threatened because of the content of this Bible. What is the controversy surrounding the Scofield Study Bible, Yaffa?

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: It was published first in 1909. This man, Scofield, was a student of John Nelson Darby, who was talking about the pre-tribulation rapture and this thing called dispensationalism in the 1800s as a part of the Plymouth Brethren. But they didn't start it. The Puritans started it before that.

It goes even further back to people who were Christians who were non-Trinitarians. They married their non-Trinitarian views that God is one, which is very close to the Jewish view, with a rejection of this replacement theology thing of the Roman Catholics and the Protestant sects that agreed with the Roman Catholics when they separated from them. There were other people who just didn't go along, and they were murdered. I have a whole list of people that the Catholics murdered because of these views. You could be putting your life at risk by going against Catholic teaching in these earlier centuries.

It actually goes back even further than that to this man in Great Britain in the 18th century who wanted the Jews to come back to Britain after they had been expelled in 1290. These are people who were very interested in Bible prophecy. When I say Bible, I'm talking about the Hebrew Bible and the Hebrew prophets. By the way, the founders of America were also very much pro-Jewish, philo-Semitic people who loved the Jewish people and wanted them to be a part of the whole thing that the founding fathers put together in freedom of religion.

Even though it was a minority if you consider the numbers of how many people were Roman Catholic and how many people were part of the Protestant sects that again went along with replacement theology, that's the truth. But it was a significant minority and it was practically always there because these were people who believed in the concept of sola scriptura. What they thought of scripture in what they call the New Testament, they saw that as scripture too. That had to be the basis of a person's faith in Christianity and a person's doctrine. They totally rejected this replacement theology thing.

When the replacement theology social influencers want to call Christian Zionists heretics, it's the exact opposite. The heresy to these people who were biblically based from the Hebrew Bible was the Roman version of Christianity that got started being developed in the second century. They used allegory, which is a form of interpretation that suggests there's a hidden or secret meaning in things. It's a different understanding or way of interpreting the first-century writings, and it's not a heresy.

Most of the Christian people in general do not believe that Darby and Scofield were heretics. By the way, Scofield brought Darby's views and the Plymouth Brethren views to critical mass. The Scofield Reference Bible, although it had all kinds of notes and comments, sold two million copies after World War II. It was very popular. There are about eight million Christians in the United States that really believe that the prophecies about Israel are about literal Israel, the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: How did we get to the Scofield Bible? At the time, the King James Version was the version most widely used. For Catholics, it was the Catholic Bible, which was different. Why did Scofield see the need to publish a new version of the Bible?

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: Actually, the translation is the King James. He didn't do a different translation at all. It is the King James, which was the standard English translation for 300 years. What he did was he annotated it. There had not been an English text with commentary in English since the Geneva Bible in 1560.

When the Scofield Reference Bible came out, it wasn't just the text of the Hebrew Bible and then the New Testament just plain. It was annotated and there were comments all over the place on the sidebars, underneath, and at the top. In some pages, there were one or two verses in the center and all the commentary around it. That's how much it was. It also had a cross-reference system tying related verses together. It had ways for you to look up certain things where you could see how it related to other verses. You could look up themes in this reference Bible.

It really was used for study groups for people who wanted to study the prophecies of the Hebrew Bible and relate that to the Jews. They didn't believe that God had done away with His people Israel or that He had cut them off totally and that now these prophecies only applied symbolically to the Christians and therefore Christians were the new Israel. They didn't go along with that because they were reading the Hebrew Bible that said it's about Israel. They took it literally.

That was very popular in the 1800s when John Nelson Darby was involved. Then the Moody Institute got into this and there's a Philadelphia church that got into this. Of course, Scofield did his reference Bible based on the concepts of John Nelson Darby with premillennialism and the pre-tribulation rapture and the second coming of Christ. Now, to be honest and to be fair, they still believe Jews have to convert to Christianity. That's classic Christianity. Only the Unitarians believe that no, there's only one God and the Jews are fine, they believe in the one God. That's also from the Hebrew Bible. As far as a sect or a portion of Christianity, it's pretty much the Unitarians that not only disagree with the replacement theology but disagree with the Trinity. They call themselves Unitarians, meaning one God. In addition to that, they don't believe that God did away with them and again all the prophecies about Israel pertain to literal, physical Israel.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: I think it's important for us to note here that the desire for Christians to convert the Jews is a problem. I've seen many people and heard many people say this very same thing, that the Jews have to convert and they don't have to keep kosher anymore and they don't have to keep the laws. This is not true. This is where the problem lies. It's the lack of biblical knowledge about the texts of scripture. To ask the Jews to start doing things that God says in His word they are not to do by converting to Christianity is a problem. I had somebody once tell me that they were a convert from Judaism to Christianity and they don't have to keep the Sabbath anymore because it's on Sunday and they don't have to keep kosher anymore because they converted to Christianity. There is a scripture that talks about this where God warns the Israelites that they are not to do as the pagans do. But we're telling Jews to convert to Christianity and you don't have to do all that stuff. I'm shocked by that, but I'm not shocked because I know that there is a lack of biblical knowledge and understanding.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: In the first century, Paul's communities were Judeo-Christian. There were Jews as a part of those communities who were keeping the Torah as God commanded at Har Sinai. The only people who were called Christians were the non-Jews. That's how it started. These were Judeo-Christian communities. If people think in the first century all of the people in Paul's communities were non-Jews, that's as incorrect as somebody saying that the United States is a Christian nation or has Christian values without mentioning Jews or the Judeo part. It's just as wrong and as incorrect because the United States of America started out as a Judeo-Christian country.

The founding fathers were very strongly attached to this because they saw themselves as recreating or following in the footsteps of those communities of Paul who were also Judeo-Christian. There were no Jews in Paul's time, neither did Paul ever promote this, that were converting to become a non-Jew. Give me a break.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: That is the problem. This is what happens when we don't study the scriptures. Even the term Christian or Christianity didn't come along until Constantine. That's 325 when we got the Nicene Council. For those 325 years, what happened to all the followers of Jesus? Most Christians think that Christianity started at the time of Christ. They don't put into proper historical context when Christianity actually evolved and when it became a force to be reckoned with with the Romans.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: The majority of Christianity today is Roman. It says Roman Catholic but it's actually Roman because even the Protestant sects follow the Roman theology that came about in the Council of Nicaea. For those 300 years, there were two types of Christians: those who believed in Paul's writings and Paul's theology, which was Jewish as Paul was a Jew and Jesus was a Jew, as opposed to Irenaeus and the other Church fathers that happened later starting in the second century who had a Greco-Roman background and had different ideas. Those two kinds of lived alongside of each other for a while as one of them shrank, namely the people following originally what Paul was writing, and the other one grew, namely the Roman version because of the writings of the Church fathers and the antisemitism and the killing of people who didn't believe in all this.

Then by the time you get to 325 in the Council of Nicaea, that becomes the religion of the Holy Roman Empire and it was by force as well. There were other things that happened like Jesus was expected to come back in that generation and he didn't. Then you had the first Roman-Jewish war, which was very devastating to the Jewish believers in Jesus. They were called Nazarenes and then Ebionites and they left and went over to the side of Jordan to flee from what was happening with the Roman-Jewish war.

Then you had the second Roman-Jewish war where you had this guy Bar Kokhba who Rabbi Akiva thought was the Messiah and some of the people who had believed it was Jesus maybe went over to that belief system because again Jesus didn't return. There were all kinds of things that happened and they saw what was happening with the Christians moving more and more towards the Greco-Roman version of things, which they couldn't deal with and the Jewish people couldn't go along with that because it was a violation of Torah for them to worship anything in this universe except the Creator Himself. They couldn't go along with the Roman view of a human being as God. That's just idolatry to a Jew.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: It should be idolatry to the Christians as well. There shouldn't be multiple gods. But that will have to be another conversation for another religion. Here's something I want to ask you. How much influence do you think the Scofield Bible has today? Do you think that there are still people who read this and are adherents to John Darby? We have a growth of this Christian Zionist movement, which is so amazing to watch happen. But then of course we have the naysayers who are saying you can't be a Catholic and be a Zionist; the Catholic Church doesn't recognize Zionism. I would beg to differ because of the Nostra Aetate declaration where the Catholic Church finally dealt with the issue of its relationship with the Jews and its past treatment of the Jews. Current Catholics do not know that when Nostra Aetate, the declaration, was drafted and signed and adopted by the Second Vatican Council, that was the new position of the Catholic Church. To say that the Catholic Church recognized the covenant in that document, that declaration, they recognized that God was still in covenant with the Jews and that He did make an eternal covenant which included the land deed. A lot of people don't want to talk about the whole land thing.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: I don't think they specifically denounced replacement theology in Nostra Aetate. What the Pope was saying in that document was you cannot blame all Jews for all time for the killing of Christ. According to the Gospel of Matthew, there were Jews, maybe not everybody in the mob outside of where he was being presented to Pilate at that time, screaming "crucify him, crucify him, let his blood be on us and our children." Maybe not everybody in the mob was screaming for that.

But the Church essentially said okay, that's what happened in the first century. That story is legitimate but you can't blame all Jews for all time because who can claim that the sin that they're doing—because that was perceived in Christendom as a sin for that man to be killed—who can claim now that the blood of that man, who was an innocent man of what was being charged against him, is now on our children, our grandchildren, our great-great-grandchildren for 2000 years? Who would go along with that? That's what the Church was saying.

The people who went along with that and therefore persecuted the Jews on that basis of this blood libel that every Jew is deserving of being slaughtered, persecuted, whatever, because of what is written in Matthew, that's what the Church disavowed. But they didn't disavow replacement theology.

Your point about there being Roman Catholics who are Zionists is absolutely true. Absolutely because they also read Darby or read the Scofield Bible or somehow got into this whole thing. Hal Lindsey is a Protestant but in the 1970s that book "Late Great Planet Earth" and talking about the Hebrew prophets even affected me. I was in college at the time. Read the Hebrew Bible, read the prophets. That's the whole Darby-Scofield movement of the 1800s and then Scofield writes his Bible in 1909. It's the focus on prophecy.

There's a split in Christianity today. Does it apply to the Jews but they're still damned to hell if they don't believe in Jesus as the Messiah, versus the Christian Zionists who say it's an eternal covenant and they're still in a covenant relationship with God? Both for them and God and the land was given to them for eternity, quoting Genesis chapter 17. They're not condemned to hell for not believing in someone as the Messiah who didn't fulfill the prophecy yet. They think he will. Okay, that's fine. But he didn't fulfill yet the prophecies of what King Messiah, Messiah ben David, is supposed to do. You have that kind of Christian and you have the other kind of Christian that say no, the Jews have to convert. To say a Jew has to convert and be a Christian means they have to give up the Torah, and that's against the Torah.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: That's correct, and even Christians should not be giving up. They should be studying, reading the Torah, studying the Torah. I just have to tell you just real quick and then we're going to go on and we're going to talk about what's going on in Israel. Back in 2014, I went to the Vatican to meet with Cardinal Koch and we talked about this. I was asking to talk about the Nostra Aetate; the anniversary was coming up. Can we do some type of national global awareness about Nostra Aetate because I know Catholics, most of them don't even know that declaration exists. And for sure Protestants don't know.

We were talking about the relationship and I mentioned that that declaration did mention that the Church recognized that the Jews are still in relationship with God. But I said it includes the covenant that God still has this covenant with the Jewish people, which the covenant includes the land. God will be your people, and I said this, God will be Israel's God. He will make Israel like the stars of the heavens and the sands on the seashore. And all the land you see, He said, "I'm giving it to you and your descendants forever."

Cardinal Koch, the priest that was there—I won't mention his name—but the priest that had arranged this meeting said, "Well we're not going to get into politics." And Cardinal Koch corrected him. I said, "This is not politics, this is biblical." And the Cardinal corrected him and said, "She's right, the land is part of the covenant." Unfortunately, again we're watching and we're listening to these Christians who profess to be Christians who are spewing lies and disinformation and Jew hatred by accusing the Jews of all kinds of nefarious activity and rejecting the land deed that God gave to Israel and saying, "Oh no, Israel is occupying Palestinian land." It just drives me nuts but this is because the Church hasn't taught Christians, whether it's the Catholic Church or it's a Protestant church. They're not teaching Christians the Bible. They focus on the New Testament too often and they never go back to the foundation. If the New Testament is true, well you're going to have to show it to me in the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings. Those are the witnesses that testify that the scriptures are true.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: That was biblical Christianity, and I know the Christian Zionists are very much biblically focused, sola scriptura and all of that. It's very, very important for people to understand that difference because the replacement theology people have a right to their opinion, that's a different interpretation of the first-century writings, but it's the Roman version. That didn't come about officially as Church dogma until the Council of Nicaea and it took 300 years to develop it. It's different from what Paul wrote with the Gentiles being grafted in. They don't replace the natural branches; they join them. People have to really study Romans chapter 11 to get it, that the Gentiles did not replace as the wild branches, as Paul uses in his metaphor, they did not replace the natural branches. Some were cut off, some. And then it talks about the Gentiles being grafted in to join the others. Who are the others? They're the natural branches that stayed on the olive tree. That was Paul's theology and that's what people need to understand. They can choose which theology they want, but that's the difference.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: But they're going to be held accountable to who they mislead and what they're teaching. Well, thank you for bringing some clarity to that issue. Ladies and gentlemen, I want to encourage you: do some research on the Scofield Bible. Order one for yourself, see what all the hoopla is about.

Yaffa, let's talk about what's going on in Israel. Saturday morning, it was early morning here in the States and it was eight o'clock in the morning for you guys there in Israel. Tell us what happened.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: We were hearing booms and the booms are when the Iron Dome takes out a missile, a ballistic missile, in the sky overhead. You can hear it; it's definitely something that can be heard if that rocket is overhead over your head or close by. Even if it's close by, you can hear it. So that's what happened as we started hearing booms and we started getting alerts from the Homeland Command. The IDF is called the Homeland Command and started getting warnings also and alerts they called them about incoming ballistic missiles.

There are some people that have to run to a shelter, there are some people that have to go down into a room, a special room in an apartment building. Some people run into garages. I mean there's all different ways. You know in your neighborhood where you're supposed to go if you want to go there or you can stay in your apartment. The thing is we have a system here where we can actually see the trajectory of the ballistic missiles and see if it's going to come really close to where we live. Then we have a choice: are we going to go down to the shelter or are we going to stay in our house or apartment wherever we live?

As far as me, I live very close to the Temple Mount within walking distance and I just have this view that because some of these rockets can go off course, as people know about rocket science they call it, they can go off course. If a rocket were to detonate on the Temple Mount or do any damage to the Dome of the Rock, which is a shrine, not a mosque, it's a shrine, or to the mosque that's there, Al-Aqsa Mosque, that would set the Arab world against Iran like nobody's business.

It's already bad because they're not just Iran; they're sending rockets to Israel and they're targeting civilians. They're not targeting military bases. But in these other five countries—Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Bahrain, and Qatar is the fifth one—they are sending ballistic missiles and rockets to US airbases or joint military bases between the United States and that country. I mean, these are Arab countries and the Shiites in Iran are not Arab. They're Persian, so they're not Arab. They're Shia, they're not Sunni. There's always been this hatred between the Sunni Arabs and the Shias.

They are really getting the Arab countries really up in arms and they're not just targeting military bases of the United States that are joint bases with these countries. They are targeting hotels in Dubai. There was a hotel that was hit, a nice hotel. It wasn't just a regular hotel. They're targeting airports and they're targeting civilians there. They claim they're only targeting US military bases, but it's not true because they lie all the time.

So what happened? Trump and the President Donald Trump decided he wanted to use diplomacy and he had Witkoff and Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff going to Geneva, going here, going there, trying to talk with the representatives from Iran. This was for several weeks because he wanted to make a deal with them that they would not enrich uranium and they would stop all their "death to America, death to Israel" stuff. In the end, he realized from his negotiators that they had no intention of coming up with a deal because they really do want to totally eliminate, obliterate Israel and all the Jews. That's why they have a proxy of Hamas, that's why they have the proxy of Hezbollah in Lebanon, that's why they have the proxy of the Houthis in Yemen. They have these proxies to fight Israel so they can say, "Oh our hands are clean, we're not doing it," when of course they're behind it and fund these people.

President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu finally said enough. In Hebrew, we say "Maspeek." Enough! We're not going to take this anymore. And of course, there's a long list of 47 years of Americans being killed by Iran, of Israelis, of other peoples, and they kill their own people if they rise in protest against their own government. They were running out of water in Tehran; they were going to have to move all the people out of Tehran because the water was so bad or was so low. Their economy is so bad because of sanctions against them because they keep developing the uranium to make bombs.

They said finally enough, we have to get rid of this regime. When I saw what was going on and they were trying to negotiate, which I thought was very good, very right for Trump and Netanyahu to agree with that and for Trump's people to do that. But when I saw that it really wasn't working because of course Iran doesn't really want to make a deal, some people were asking me: are they going to just do a few bombs here and there and then let them go again like they did last year? They took out some nuclear sites. Are they just going to do that and then of course they recreate everything all over again? Or are they going to go for regime change? I decided I think they're going to go for regime change, and that's what they're doing. That's why they took out all those senior people and Ali Khamenei himself and all these other senior people, the defense minister and this minister and that minister. They just had to take out the leadership and they're trying to give the people of Iran who love the Jewish people—we were so friendly, the Jewish people and the Iranian people were so close and loving each other before that country was taken over by the Islamists who want to kill anybody that doesn't agree with them and of course kill all the Jews.

It would be wonderful if they had their country back as a democracy or a Pahlavi, the son of the Shah who got out of there, if he was to take over even temporarily until they can have a democratic election. Whatever they do, at least this regime, these torturous people who just kill other people, just murder them.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: What is it, 30,000 to 40,000 of their own people they killed?

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: I heard 30,000, so it could be 40,000, but they killed a lot of people. They've got a lot of people in prisons; there's actually stuff going on right now with a certain prison that's known for people being in those jails and those prisons awaiting execution. They're trying now to get those people out. Now that it's happened that these leaders have been taken out, there are celebrations in the streets of Iran and of course, there are celebrations here in Israel as well because this man, Ali Khamenei, was an evil, evil person.

For those who are interested in Bible prophecy, I recommend you read Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 because there are rabbis like Tovia Singer—but he's not the only one, I've known Rabbi Tovia Singer for 30 years—there are rabbis like him and many others who believe we are in the midst of the wars of Gog and Magog. Furthermore, what happened on October 7 in 2023 was the first of the beginning of Gog and Magog, which is again in Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39. It talks about an attack on unwalled villages. Of those 22 settlements, villages, whatever you want to call them next to the Gaza envelope there where they came across the border and murdered people, 20 of them were unwalled.

The gates were open on Shabbat. It was both a Shabbat and Sukkot, the last day of Sukkot, Shmini Atzeret. In Bible prophecy, this war of Gog and Magog is supposed to start on Sukkot. There's all kinds of stuff going on with the religious part of the Jewish people saying, "Yes, we have to be careful right now, we have to stay looking at alerts and where the trajectory is going for these rockets. Do we have to go down to the safe room or can we stay where we are?"

We're focused on that wherever we are in the country, but in addition to that, it's bringing even Jewish people to study more about these prophecies: Zechariah, Zephaniah, Obadiah, and of course Ezekiel, but also Isaiah. We all, the Jewish people are also—and I know Christians are too—getting into more about these prophecies about the end of days because we are so close, according to the rabbis and the sages and the people who know all this stuff very deeply. We are so close to the coming of Messiah, no matter who anybody thinks it's going to be—and that's speculation, that's fine, people can think it's this one or that one or the other—but we're so close to whomever it's going to be to come here and reveal himself.

There's a lot of interest in now not just Darby and the Scofield Reference Bible, but again to look at all these prophecies that have been not studied for years, not talked about for years even in the Jewish world. A lot of people don't talk about these things or read or study them.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Well, at PJTN, I'm always quoting the prophets like Isaiah and Obadiah because it deals with those who were dispersed from the land of Sepharad who will return and inhabit the Negev region. Even in Isaiah in chapter 11, there's a scripture that Judah and Ephraim will unite together in the last days against the enemies of Israel coming from the east and the west.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: And that's been happening. We have the Bnei Menashe here from the border of India and Burma. We have the Ethiopians here. We have other of tribes here. We have the Bnei Anusim who are supposed to come here but we still can't get the knowledge of the Bnei Anusim, the secret Jews, to critical mass. We don't have a Scofield, we don't have somebody who's writing a book or doing a film or in some way getting this word out that these people have to come here. I'm not saying all of them, but a certain amount of these people who had to hide from the Roman Catholics who were persecuting them and killing them and torturing them at the stake. You know the whole story of the Inquisition. For 300 years they did it in the Americas in North, South, Central America, and the Caribbean.

There are a lot of people that don't know that story, it hasn't been taught for a long time, and it sort of got overshadowed by the Shoah. I don't mind that, I mean the Shoah was very important, the Holocaust, for people to understand what happened there in all of its details. But the story about the secret Jews and the Inquisition, which happened earlier, sort of got lost in the shuffle.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: That's why we're producing the documentary "The Lost Jews of the Inquisition" to help blow the whistle, to bring so that those of Hispanic Latino descent will—in fact, somebody came up to me the other day and he told me, "That's my mom, that was my mother's side of the family. She was Sephardic of Sephardic descent." His father was Catholic. I hear these stories where one of the spouses is Jewish, the other spouse is Catholic. It's amazing. But yes, we're going to get it all figured out eventually. But no, we're trying to produce this film. I'm hoping to meet with a couple of potential donors when I'm in Los Angeles in the next couple of weeks promoting this film.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: We have to get it to critical mass, in other words, enough people. It's also called the hundredth monkey, but that's a whole other story. We have to get it to critical mass so that it can actually get so widespread that we won't have any problems in bringing these people and having them be accepted, having the Israeli government involved and all this stuff. We won't have a problem doing it because people will understand that it's part of the Geulah, the redemption process, that these people also have to come back home and they can't be thwarted anymore.

It's like when I say Netanyahu and Trump said enough is enough, we have to get to this point about the Bnei Anusim, about the secret Jews, the crypto-Jews who had to go into hiding because of the persecution of the Roman Catholics at that time because of replacement theology again. Here we go. So we have to get to critical mass, that's the bottom line.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Absolutely. Well, Yaffa, it has been absolutely wonderful as usual. You always are such a wealth of information and I so appreciate you taking the time to be with us to help us break down everything that's going on and understand from a biblical, historical perspective what is happening in our generation and how people can get involved. Yaffa, how can people learn more about what you're doing and how can they get involved?

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: Okay, well, I'm on the internet. They can look up Yaffa DaCosta. I wrote a book on cancel culture, it's on Amazon, the online version Kindle. They can find me that way. They can just write to you and ask for my email address. There is so much that people really need to understand if they really want to be right with the Creator of the universe as a Christian, as a Jew, as anybody.

What's going to happen? What happened at the sea, at the Sea of Reeds, when the water turned back over onto the Egyptians and drowned them and the Jewish people saw that? They saw what happened and what does it say? It says, "And they believed in God and in Moses His servant." There's a lot of what happened in the initial redemption from Egypt that's going to be repeated: miracles, and there's going to be even more miracles this time than what happened back then.

One of the things that's going to happen is what's going on right now with Iran is going to be such a two-by-four over people's heads who are not awake, who are not aware, and don't realize they need to be because they're living at this time. It's going to be such a two-by-four whacking them upside the head that they're going to need people that they can talk to and have things explained to them so they can go research it on their own and figure it out for themselves. I'm one of those people that can do that, you're one of those people that can do that, Rabbi Tovia Singer—there's a bunch of people that they can go to that can get them started. And that's all it needs to happen is they need to spend the time—I know it takes time, but it's not a lot of time—to figure this out and decide on their own where are they going to stand. Are they going to, at the end of time, end of days, and with these miracles that are going on, are they going to stand with God and the people of Israel, the covenant people? That's all it is, we're just covenant people. We're not any more special than anybody else, not by a long shot. If they're going to stand with God and His covenant people—and Christians also were grafted in, so they're a part of the covenant people according to Paul—or are they going to stand with what we call the other side? That's the decision they have to make.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: It's a very serious decision to make, especially in light of the times that we are living in and the false narrative and accusations that are being spread out there. We so appreciate you being with us again, Yaffa. God bless you. We pray for your safety and that of your families.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: Prayers are important. Thank you very much. I want to just say thank you to everyone who's praying for Israel and the peace of Jerusalem. Thank you. God bless you.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Amen. God bless you, Yaffa. We'll have you back on the show very soon.

Yaffa Batya DaCosta: Okay, thank you.

Laurie Cardoza Moore: Thank you. I hope you found this program informative, ladies and gentlemen. We're going to post this podcast on our website and all of our podcast platforms so that you can share with your family and friends. As PJTN watchmen, we have a biblical mandate to stand against the ungodly rising Nazi threat that is destroying this nation and other Western nations, threatening our Judeo-Christian values and promoting antisemitism.

You just heard that alarm coming through as Yaffa was signing off. That was an alert that she needs to find a safe location. Let's pray for Yaffa and the people in her community. Let's pray for all Israel across the nation. We can't remain silent. We were warned by the prophet Ezekiel about the responsibility of the watchman. We cannot be silent, ladies and gentlemen. Dietrich Bonhoeffer reminded us, "Silence in the face of evil is itself evil. God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act."

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