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Logan Sekulow: On today's show, after an impending threat, the GOP rushes to lawyer up ahead of midterms.

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Logan Sekulow: Welcome to Seculo. This is Logan Seculo. Will Haines joining us back back from vacation. People worried about you, Will. They were in the comments saying what's happening here. But you know, we'll get to that a little bit later here. This is a pretty interesting breaking news item. And of course, we are going to discuss also what's going on in Europe. You know, the ACLJ has the European Center for Law and Justice for a reason, and this particularly is one of those reasons when you see what happens when these countries are overrun and radicalism really takes a front seat.

We're going to talk about that coming up a little bit later. But we wanted to start this show with how things are moving in the midterms and the impending threat that is now coming in from people who are at this moment running for office and are sitting in office right now saying, you know what, we're going to make it absolutely unconscionable for those who are young professionals, really, and I would say beyond the Trump administration. We're going to make it impossible for them to associate with or work for Republicans cuz if we do, you are going to realize that that is going to take your career and potentially keep it very very difficult to continue your employment.

Guess what, we're going to try to scare you. And you know what, I got to give it to them. They've done a pretty good job at that because you do know when you get into this line of work that you are taking some sort of personal and political risk. Hopefully not in terms of your safety, but in terms of your future. And they have made it like this has been a problem, so much so that us at the ACLJ have been dealing with this firsthand with one of our cases. We obviously had our lawyers and team who are part of the previous impeachment process, my dad and my brother.

And I can tell you firsthand, it's not fun. It's not fun to be there. As much as it is an honor and a privilege to represent your country or the resident of the United States, it can come with some major sacrifices. And we know that has happened with one of the president's former attorneys, uh, John Eastman. And someone something that we've been involved with. And now we have to look at this because as these threats come in, uh, because we need to probably set it up well where this threat came from, uh, because it's a real deal.

Will Haines: That 's right. So once again, as Logan mentioned, these are now, uh, converging topics if you will, where what we are fighting at the Supreme Court right now trying to get the bar license restored of Professor John Eastman who represented the president, uh, back in the previous administration. At at the same time, you're seeing a Wall Street Journal headline as well as this, uh, this sound bite that we'll play at a talk that Senator Sitting Center Alyssa Slotkin gave at the University of Chicago Institute of Politics that obviously is a center that was spearheaded by David Axelrod, the former campaign manager and really the architect of the Obama presidency in many ways, uh, that are making these threats against not just the attorneys, but anyone who goes to work for the president.

And this is the headline from the Wall Street Journal. The race is on for Trump staffers to hire lawyers in case Democrats win the midterms. The subtext there says cabinet officials, ordinary staffers preparing for possibility that Democrats could launch probes if the party gains back Congress.

Logan Sekulow: And when we get

Will Haines: We know that's a very good chance.

Logan Sekulow: Right. And when we get back from the break, we have to play what the sitting senator is saying because we got to break it down. I don't want to just play it and walk away from it. We got to spend some time with it because it's kind of terrifying that elected officials are weaponizing their public service like this to try and make sure that not just not even cabinet officials, not people that are their political enemies, but but young kids out of college internships that are just staffers.

Will Haines: It also goes against everything we've learned about being a representative or being a lawyer. If you're a young lawyer going out that you know, you go in there, your best job is to represent your client. Sometimes that those interests of your client don't reflect your personal, you know, beliefs. Your your job is to go in there and do this as a job. We've always been able to separate that. But in the last decade, it feels like that's impossible. And they're going to make it harder and harder for top quality candidates. Do that look they're going to make it harder and harder for us to recruit top quality candidates to not only be ACLJ attorneys, but to be on our media team cuz we know what it means.

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Logan Sekulow: And we just saw a clip from Fox News where said I'm not worried about young conservatives being swayed by someone like Elizabeth Slotkin. And I'm not necessarily either, but what I am not her particularly, you know, just her. But we have seen the weaponization, you know, used against not only young conservatives, young conservatives who are decided to take up office or to work or to uh, be associated with publicly or or build their career based upon not just conservative principles, but working for maybe a political party or working for, uh, someone in office. And guess what, he may not be concerned about this one off, but I am concerned.

We know here even recruiting is sometimes not the easiest thing because when you come to work, and this is the topics we deal with each and every day, there are questions that come up and they know that guess what, they're going to have to answer to their friends, to their family. It's not always just as simple as it looks to just say I have a job when you know people are so politically polarized. And it's not like our content here is by far, you know, even close to the extreme nature or to being some sort of alt.

I mean, look, I get accused of a lot of things online even from our own side, you know, saying that I'm too soft on a lot of these issues. So look, do you know, working here is not exactly like working at somewhere where, you know, the the ideas are on the super fringe. And it's still not easy. And they want to make it harder. And who wants to make it harder? You're right. Elected officials. So the Senator, uh, Slotkin who again ran according to the reports as sort of a moderate. And now of course has to tow the party line and be like if you're associated with, therefore you are no longer to be associated with in the world.

Will Haines: That's right. So I'm going to read this paragraph from the Wall Street Journal report that says a race is on for Trump staffers to hire lawyers in case Democrats win the midterms. And then we 're going to play the Senator who's making this threat against staffers, uh, against just normal human beings working for the government, serving their country. And then we're going to talk about why our case with John Eastman matters so much especially at a time like this. So this is what the Wall Street Journal report says. It says from cabinet secretaries to mid-level staffers, people who work for President Trump are calling law firms in search of legal advice as they brace for an avalanche of investigations next year if Democrats take one or both houses of Congress in the midterms.

So why would they be concerned, right? Because I mean the Democrats were concerned about this administration weaponizing the office of the presidency and the Department of Justice to go after their political enemies. Certainly if the Democrats regain power, that wouldn't happen. They would never do that, right? Well, let's listen to the sitting senator from Michigan, Senator Slotkin, who remember is a former CIA agent. Her history is in is in intelligence.

Logan Sekulow: Oh, yeah.

Will Haines: So this is her threat.

Logan Sekulow: I like that we both said intelligence at the same time. It was it was pretty

Will Haines: Well, you know. It was good. Yeah. This is what her threat was at the, uh, the David Axelrod founded Center for the Study of Politics at University of Chicago Bite One.

Elissa Slotkin: I am into effectiveness. And, um, if we have the House but not the Senate, you know, I don't have a ton of faith that my Republican colleagues are going to have any more strength. So that's what I 'm saying. I want to look at these signature cases and not just focus on the president, but on the people who enabled him. I want young people coming out of school to say, should I go work for the Trump administration? Like that sounds fun. I might get an opportunity. I want them to be like, Lord, that might be buying myself a ton of problems that I don't want.

And so let me avoid participating in that. I want that deterrence message sent.

Will Haines: Mmh. Well, message sent. Yeah, the deterrence message is don't go work for the White House. If you're coming out of school, that's a threat to a college graduate saying if you go work for the president, you might get hauled before a congressional committee. Just the that right there and her saying that I'm into effectiveness and her CIA training of of scaring people seems to be coming to fruition here because that is such an ominous threat. It's not just saying, hey, you know what, we went after President Trump and we worked really hard and we got a bunch of indictments and we did all these political show trials.

But at the end of the day, he got reelected. So what we need to do is expand our entire, uh, mission here and our entire strategy and go after anyone that works for it. Oh, yeah. It's more like a Hollywood cancellation idea, the concept of if you are associated with somebody, you can no longer work with them. You can no longer have anything to do with them. Now we've seen things soften up a little bit of that over the last few years, but it's still happening. And the idea that now we are going to take that beyond public figures and we are just going to move that to anyone so that the idea is you cannot recruit talent, uh, you know, whether that's illegal talent, whether that's someone working in the office, whether that's a graphic designer, whatever it may be because they may not fully align or because of who they align with, therefore they will no longer be able to work.

And again, you're not talking about people who are on necessarily the fringe. You're talking about people who are working for this point the elected president of the United States of America. But that is too far for some people. I understand the ramifications and the political correctness and all of the things that could come in to what your resume now states. And I am not saying that doesn't affect. I am not saying she's wrong. I believe she is wrong in wanting this to happen, but it is happening.

Logan Sekulow: Oh, and the strategy is very effective.

Will Haines: That's what I say. It's working.

Logan Sekulow: And here's the other problem with it. There's actually several layers to this. One, there's only two years left in a Trump administration. So her trying to even say like coming out of school, getting jobs, I mean, yes, there are always people being hired within the White House, but it's not as if you're going into the front end of this and say

Will Haines: This is a mid-term threat. Right. And then he's done. This is a generational threat of trying to scare people to work with conservative elected officials. And here's the other issue too because what they've already started with our client at the ACLJ, John Eastman where they went after his license to practice law for doing what? Defending the president as an attorney. There's a lot of attorneys that maybe don't even and I 'm not saying this is John Eastman, but like the role of being an advocate doesn't mean that even you agree with everything that your client says and does.

It's that you are hired to defend them in court, in the court of public opinion even, and to represent them. And so you're going to make arguments on behalf of your client. They are weaponizing the system against even attorneys being able to do their job. So now when you have Trump staffers and cabinet secretaries calling law firms, what do you think a lot of those lawyers are going to say? You know what, I I've seen what the the Democrats have done to the ability to even work as an attorney if I get involved with you.

So maybe we, uh, maybe we have a conflict of interest here. Maybe we can't take your case. Why? Because they've already set the bar for the attorneys to even represent them if they go forward with their plan so high that there's going to be a lot of law firms that won't even take the call because of what they have done weaponizing the system against the advocates that want to defend these people when the Democrats go after them. And splitting apart families. You know, I think that's a part of this too, the personal side of this.

I can't tell you how many conversations we've had where we've had some very qualified candidates who wanted to come work for us or do something with us. And they are all in. And then they have a talk with their kids or they have a talk with their wife or they have a talk with their grandchildren, uh, and they decide, you know, it's not worth the fracture in their family. And I understand that because the talking point is no longer we can all sit around a table and have some disagreements and go on with our normal life.

That's just not how things are done anymore, unfortunately by the way. I think majorly unfortunately it is one of the saddest things that has come out of this. Now hopefully that's not the way you live your life and and what I hope is that if my family even my children have different political points of view than me, then that will not cause a fracture in our personal relationship. But that is clearly what they want. I mean that is what is being said here, which is you know that your career is on the line if you decide to take a picture with someone, to associate with someone.

And we're not talking about again incredible fringe candidates. We're not talking about working for someone, conspiracy theorists. We're talking about representing, uh, the president of the United States who won every swing state in the country the last time last go round. And we are talking about really a threat against the mid-term elections which are just in a few weeks because that is what this is inferring. That this inferring is here's what happens if the Democrats win. Here's what happens if they win partially. Here what happens if they don't win at all. Now I think we need to all be very prepared that, you know, this coming November you may not see the election results you want.

I think everyone needs to get out and vote and do what they want to do. You know, vote for who you feel like is best representing you regardless of political party. But I think for a lot of our listenership and a lot of our viewership, I probably know where a lot of you decide you're going to place your vote. And it may not be the way you wanted to go. Now we've been surprised before. I think we were all, you know, a little surprised the last, I don't know, three or four elections that certain things went certain ways even if you were hoping for the way they went and they ended up going.

I don't you know the the the pollsters and the prognosticators were not always correct those last decade. So we'll see where things go. But the idea that you're not allowed to even it's not about speaking your mind in a public forum. It's not about being a political figure or being a political commentator or doing this. It is about just living your life, getting a job, paying your bills and going to work for, you know, someone associated. They want to be scare you to the point where they said let's avoid participating in that. Uh, you know, I I don't I want them to be like, Lord, that might be buying myself a ton of problems I don't want.

And you know what, sadly Senator Slotkin is correct. It will be. It's a risk. It's something you got to have bravery for. The ACLJ team is there as well. And we're going to continue fighting this. You know, this is always the ramp up of lawfare. And I want you to be a part of the team that stops it. Join us at aclj.org right now and support our critical work whether it's the Supreme Court over election integrity. We're also going to be taking some phone calls coming up. Rick Renell is going to be joining us a little bit later as well.

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Become a member today. aclj.org Welcome back to Seculo. We are going to take some phone calls coming up. Later in the show, Rick Renell is going to be joining us. And we do want to give an update also of what's happening obviously in Europe. We're not, you know, ignoring the real reality of of the situation there. Obviously we have offices in Europe. We have offices in France. Um, this is precisely the reason. This has been This is nothing new. Yes, the riots and the extreme nature of it, that's certainly new. But the bubbling off of what's been happening in Europe is nothing that I'm very surprised about.

As much as I love it there, I practically lived there in France. I've practically lived throughout a lot of these countries throughout my life. We've operated the ACLJ for over 25 years. So think about that. I'm 40 most of a good portion of my life was spent in these countries. And I really do, uh, pray for them. And I really hope our team can work on this. I do think they need a massive movement that is going to change the trajectory of what's going on in Europe and what's going on in the UK. And I think the sad part about it and the the the good not the good, the bad part about this is it's a little different especially in the UK as much as I love it there, uh, in terms of what you can and can't say.

They need their own version of a MAGA movement, but that version has to be within the, um, you know, within the guardrails of the United Kingdom's rule, within the guardrails of what Europe has to offer. Their freedom of speech is very different than our freedom of speech. And let's not forget that. They are western society, but they also live in a world where you are, um, targeted a lot about what you have to say. And I'm not talking about necessarily things that are, you know, directly violently threatening. I think you should be targeted if that's happening.

Uh, but if you're just making comments that someone is deemed, you know, to be on the list of things you cannot say anymore, certainly you could have you couldn't really have a President Trump. So there needs to be someone who can help in that situation. And look, I I really do pray for those areas. I'm seeing that I I feel for everyone locally living there. I feel for everyone traveling. And And maybe this was your one time only to visit Paris and you are dealing with this situation and we'll keep an eye on it. And we're definitely going to ask Rick about it cuz Rick was certainly involved in the UN throughout his tenure.

So we're going to discuss that as these fiery protests that the media will not claim. They will not say what they're about. And then there'll be things like, oh, I don't know, a list of Jewish run businesses were the ones that got firebombed. You know, I I I think we all know what a lot of this has to really do with and for some reason we'll avoid it and they'll pretend it's not happening. But I do want to give you an update before we get to all of that on that case we discussed with John Eastman who is again one of President Trump's former attorney who was disbarred and we're fighting back about that right now.

And thankfully right now it it's it's going, you know, we're things are moving. But you know, sometimes there's a step back to move step forward and we kind of had one of those, Will.

Logan Sekulow: That's right. And this is actually a good sign for where we are at in the process as as sometimes these, uh, I I know it's almost tedious and takes forever it feels like, but remember we filed the cert petition at the Supreme Court earlier this year. And now it is before the court. Right. The State Bar of California, who is the the other side of this case who that's the ones who disbarred him, uh, and who we are against in this case, uh, actually, uh, declined to respond. They waived their right to respond to our cert petition saying we don't need to.

Just y'all decide whether you want to take the case or not. Meanwhile, a lot of other groups chimed in, filed amicus briefs in support including Senator Ted Cruz and Senator Mike Lee filed amicus briefs saying why it's so important to review a case like this so that they as members of Congress, elected officials can have legal counsel that aren't afraid of of political opposition going after their very livelihood. They're very licensed to practice law just for representing a political candidate that they disagree with. So on October 9th, the State Bar of California waived their right to respond.

Said we're good. On October 15th just late last week the Supreme Court ordered the State Bar of California to respond by November 16th, 2026. So now it shows one it doesn't give you a sign that yes, they're going to take it absolutely, but it's a much better sign that they're at least interested in what the other party has to say before they decide whether or not to take this case. There is some interest within the court based off of our initial cert petition that they're like we need to hear from the State Bar. We need to hear what their argument is before we decide whether or not to take this up.

So November 16th is the current deadline. I want to remind people that can also move because the State Bar wasn't planning on responding. Now they just have a little bit under a month to respond to that. They could ask for an extension. We see that it is most likely if they ask for a month or even two months in in some cases you've seen when it's a state party, uh, they they many times most of the time will grant an extension. So that number November 16th, that's the one that we're all watching here at the ACLJ cuz our attorneys as soon as that gets in there, we'll have to start writing our reply to their response.

Will Haines: Yeah, I want to take a quick call before we go to break. Let's go to Mario who's calling in Illinois. Mario, go ahead.

Mario: How you doing, gentlemen?

Will Haines: Good good.

Mario: Uh, I was I was going to respond to what that Senator was talking about uh, people not working for the White House. I mean, isn't there a fine line there where it sounds like this threatening? It's like it's like I'm at a job and I told friend, why don't you come over and work for work with us? And they tell him don't work for Mario, you know, or something will happen. I mean that's that's a to me sounds like a threat. Is there a fine line there where as you can get them to stop saying stuff like that or I mean I know there's free speech, but still to to sound like a threat, that's not right, man.

That that to me that's not right for them to say that about wherever they want to work or whoever they want to work for.

Will Haines: Mario, there's a couple ways to to get her to stop those threats. One is if, um, they don't get the majorities. So if people show up and vote against what she is saying, yeah, then then there's she won't have the power. They won't have the authority to start hauling people before congressional committees and trying to force, uh, them and make their lives very very difficult. Uh, but yeah, I mean it sounds very mafiosa-esque of like, hey, you may not want to you may not want to take that job cuz there could be trouble for you coming.

Logan Sekulow: There will be consequences.

Will Haines: Right. Yeah, it's definitely a threat, Mario.

Logan Sekulow: Yeah, I mean it's maybe a threat that 's not illegal, but it's something that they are are kind of living on front street here. I mean if you look at that comment, said that it would be if you read at the end the the goal is for them to avoid participating. Why they avoid participating? Because they want a message sent that you're going to have problems in your future. It doesn't necessarily mean problems. We you know, she's talking about more employment opportunities, things like that. You're going to be you're ashamed by your family. All of this could happen if you just simply take a job.

Will Haines: Well, and and once again, we've seen them do this. We've seen them do it to whistleblowers

Logan Sekulow: Yeah, it it works.

Will Haines: where they ruin the lives of whistleblowers within the government that are serving their government and say, hey, this doesn't look right, but it's not ideologically pure for the left. What do they do? They ruin their lives. Yeah, this is not a theory. This is now just admitting what they've been doing. And you've you've known that. We've all known that. There's nothing shocking here. It's shocking that they just come out and say it. Then elected official says it because we've known that. We've known that in all walks of life that the idea is to build a bigger and bigger divide between Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals.

Even if you know, you could probably go have dinner with anybody and have a fine time. But they've made it so that if you disagree on politics, there is at least a portion of the country that no longer will associate with you. And you may not even be someone who supports President Trump. You may be someone on the other side. You may be someone who who is a conservative but doesn't like Trump. That may be too far. You may flip it by the way. You may be a conservative who will no longer have dinner with a liberal.

You can get frustrated. You can disagree. We can disagree well. We can move forward in this country. If Eminem and Kid Rock can do a song together well on a Christian album, anything is possible. I've heard that. I heard the song. Oh. Yeah. I just have heard that anything's possible. Yeah, both are both are true. Phone lines are open for you, 1-800-684-3110. We got a second half hour coming up. Don't go anywhere. Join us online at aclj.org and we'll be right back.

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