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Logan Sekulow: Welcome to Sekulow. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. This is a very packed show. Will's in studio, Jordan is also in studio. Mike Pompeo is going to be joining us a little bit later.

We are first addressing the election coming out of Wisconsin last night. A very, very tight election, not expected as the frontrunner really went down by still a very, very slim margin. But you have a Democrat socialist candidate who was supposed to be by a pretty large percentage taking this one easily.

David Crowley, though, pulls off the upset. Again, not necessarily a centrist Democrat, but a more Democrat-Democrat. I saw even some of my more leftist friends say, thank God that David Crowley pulled this off, maybe just the fact that they don't want every Democrat socialist candidate to start reshaping their party. So I guess in some ways you can look at this as a win, but it also shows how close and close it could be even in a state like Wisconsin.

What we're talking about in Wisconsin, we're talking about the Midwest. We're talking about getting into the center of the country. It's one thing when you have coastal elites in New York and California and the Northeast, where the Bernie Sanders and the AOCs originate out of and the DSA.

But when you start going into Midwestern states like Wisconsin, yes, Democrats have been popular there for a long time. It's a labor state. But Republicans have shown time and time again that we can win there. Now, what's interesting is, is that still an option for us statewide if a communist can get so close to winning?

Because I think that's what AOC and everyone's actually concerned about with this DSA label. The DSA label is just soft communism. In America, if you walk down saying we're pro-communist, then you can't still be partnered with the Democrat party. This is like the leftist, more social welfare of the party.

What we're seeing then is it moving across the country. So a 0.4% win in a Democrat primary with someone who is highly qualified, and Democrats can breathe a sigh of relief that they possibly can maintain control of the governorship there. But the fact I looked at, what I look at is, I don't judge their failure by one election cycle.

The fact that they are even playing this close in Wisconsin. I will add the other part that is very strange, the polling was so off. How were they only polling her supporters and not polling any of his? Her polls were significantly up, like single digits.

Will: Well, and here's what you look at. The last five Wisconsin Governor Democrat primary polls had her up 22 points, 18 points, 25 points, 29 points, and 20 points. I mean, that is your relaxing going into this election. That and the Marquette University poll had her up 25 points, the second most.

That is actually one of the best, most reputable polls in the state and used in presidential elections as well. It's not like they're some Democrat shop that you go to for polling. It's wild.

Logan Sekulow: Did something happen at the last minute that would have shifted this so significantly? Because all of the news was already baked into these, all of the negative stuff, she doesn't like Thanksgiving, she doesn't like that. If anything, she started to moderate some of her positions in the language of the rhetoric she used in the final days.

One, I think it shows you that polling, once again, is completely broken in this country. But two, it makes you wonder about the apparatus within the state, the Democrat apparatus, and how they were able to turn out even though the opinion polls said they liked one candidate, they were still able to turn out people at the end of the day for Crowley.

Let's throw the polls out for a second. This is how close it was. 39.8% for Crowley, 39.4% for Hong. You're talking about a swing of 0.4% that decided this election. If you ever thought one vote doesn't count, look at a state like Wisconsin.

We'll be back in just a minute. I do want to take calls from you at 1-800-684-3110. Is this a good sign that they can be defeated, or is it a bad sign that it can get this close? Because you could not be closer as we're looking into it. I don't think there's a call for a recount, but that's about as close as you can get.

Will: And she has conceded even last night. So I don't think she's looking at spending the money to try and get a recount.

Logan Sekulow: Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. We're also going to continue on with Know Your Rights week. We got a special video presentation coming up in a couple of segments that you're not going to want to miss.

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Logan Sekulow: Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. Let's go ahead and take one of these calls. Let's go to Jeff, who's calling in North Carolina. Go ahead.

Jeff: Hey guys, probably too early to open up the conspiracy box, but with the way the polling was in this situation, is it possible that they knew they were going to have a problem if Ms. Hong won this, so they somehow just found just enough votes to get this done?

Logan Sekulow: Well, of course, it does play out in a pretty relatable way, I guess you could say, that they've had because we went to bed last night as a lot of people did. Will and I were texting going, this is 1% under a percent. We were discussing it back and forth.

I forgot until I got into the studio to even look, and then was told that she had lost. I don't want to say it's conspiratorial, but at least you can say it feels like a similar playbook. Well, and once again, I think we should play this.

This is from NBC News last night during the election coverage because Steve Kornacki, who is kind of the data guy on NBC News—I know many of you probably don't watch the election coverage on NBC News—but he's well known, he's got a good personality for it. But here's one of the reporters who was looking at the data, and they happen to have five missing USB sticks from Milwaukee that had the wrong data on it. It was just human error, but let's play this because it definitely opens up the door for people to be like, wait a second again in the Midwest with all of a sudden getting the ballots at the last hour? Let's play it.

Steve Kornacki: There's the exact thing, yes. If five of the USB sticks were missing results from the election, so then they have to go try to regrab them. And all the folks behind the scenes are talking about this as well. It's unfortunate.

Logan Sekulow: The most painful minute forty seconds because he knows what he's trying to open up because he's like, I can't say stop the steal, right? He can't use those words, but that's what it feels like. It's like, okay, so in this race that wasn't supposed to be close, that all of a sudden is super close.

Now are you going to have people in the DSA that are saying this election is stolen? The irony is there. You can tell Steve Kornacki is on the cusp of wanting to ask the question. And the poor data guy is sitting there going like, it's unfortunate. Yeah, we're all talking about it behind the scenes that, whoops, five USBs had 15,000 votes on them, I believe was the number.

Will: And there was a press conference. Should we play this? This is a press event from the Democrat socialists of Wisconsin. They addressed it. Let's hear what they had to say.

Guest (Female): What we uncovered was that five of the sticks had the audit log downloaded and not the results. It's a human error, these things can happen. So basically what we need to do is go back to the operation center and we're going to download out of those five machines the results and make sure that's not the audit log.

So we have the reports printed from the first download. We're going to reprint and start the process so that we can compare those results. We invite you to come join us. Milwaukee Police Department will come with us too. And so we'll re-download those results and then send them back here to be uploaded.

Logan Sekulow: So once again, even that saying it's human error, that these things can happen, coming from an official that's able to talk about this, was briefing the DSA members there in Wisconsin. And I think, one, of course this would happen when it's that close.

If five USB sticks had this human error happen, and it was the 25-point blowout that they were predicting in the polls, no one would be questioning. You never want to see this happen even if it's a candidate you don't like who maybe is the one that's on the receiving end of this controversy because it again uproots the foundation of our election integrity.

And that becomes an issue whether that's Republicans or Democrats. If both start playing by rules that get a little blurry, it under-rules the entire system.

Will: And we did two for this in 2026, on these five USB sticks that are even rolling around. What are we doing here? We are undermining people's faith in our electoral process, and that's exactly what they want to do is criticize us whenever we question it, by the way, which is just we're just questioning basic tech here.

Our voting should be the highest level of security. It should have the best technology. And if we have to, we should have the best people running the systems instead of 75-year-old volunteers. God bless those volunteers for doing it, because they volunteer and do it for free most of the time.

But they're trying to run a computer system that then runs into another system that runs into another card system and you've got to print and then print it out and run it into another system.

Logan Sekulow: We voted last week in our primary and though I feel very confident the people I voted for, I voted on day one. I voted on election day and there is that moment every time where you're like, I hope this is all right, because it doesn't feel right.

And then you realize they're on a USB stick. That's how it's working? I didn't know that. This is not really how life works much anymore. It's like from espionage movies in the 1990s. Well, and on top of that, I think that goes to show what we fight here at the ACLJ when we talk about election integrity.

We're trying to get the voter rolls, make sure they're clean and accurate in California, in places like Maryland, where we're actually moving forward trying to get data from the states and out in California. Remember that response we got from the Secretary of State's office of we can't give you the data on all the times we've removed someone that's a non-citizen because we don't track that.

So even that fact, even if they are doing what they're supposed to do, it's things like that that give you pause. And you sit there and you go, okay, wait a second. California saying they don't track when they remove non-citizens from the rolls. In Wisconsin, wait a second, five USB sticks happened to not have the data on it, then they had to go back and get it, and then you have to make sure it's all that.

It's all of these things that when people talk about things like the SAVE Act, when they talk about things like cleaning up voter rolls, it's this. It's that the American people just want to have faith in their vote. You don't even want to have to think about it.

And that's what we're seeing here in real time is another event that a close election should just be that. It should just be that was a close election and the two candidates ran hard. But one ended up winning and one didn't.

Instead, whenever there's a close election, and sometimes when it's not even a close election, you start to look at it and you're like, hmm, there's a lot of anomalies going on here. And that's what fuels, as our caller said, is it too early to bring up the conspiracies?

It's not like this candidate is who the vast majority of Americans would prefer to be the governor of Wisconsin. Governors have a lot of power. But you start to look at this and you realize, okay, there are pieces in place for her not to win.

Bernie Sanders did not endorse her. AOC did not endorse her. So maybe she was too far left. You mentioned you saw leftists that you know that are like, I don't know if I want to categorize them as leftists, but more liberal voters that are saying, hey, we're glad this person didn't win.

So you can see why the polls could have been wrong, and maybe they were just hyper-polling in Madison, one of the most liberal cities in America, and that could be the answer. That the polls just don't do the right thing. But now you have this layer of uncertainty because they couldn't get it right in a primary for governor in Wisconsin.

And I think that's one reason why we can't stop our job at the ACLJ of ensuring the integrity of elections, but that why this issue won't go away for people either, because these things keep happening. It keeps undermining everyone's beliefs in how this all works.

And look, like even here in Tennessee, they had a new setup now where back to like the old curtains, I noticed. But the curtains are not tall enough. I could see everyone voting. It was very strange. The whole thing was weird.

If you're over six feet tall, I could see everything going on. I couldn't see screens. We had that weird thing in primaries where you have to verbally say in front of everyone, are you going to be voting Republican? They did give you a point option this year. You could point.

I wasn't addressed that, but my wife was. She was told that you could point. But I did, again, all those little things you're like, this is so strange. That being said, phone lines are open. I want to hear from you. We got a special video in the next segment. You're going to want to see and you're going to want to share it when it gets posted.

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Guest (Male): We've witnessed monumental legal victories from defending the 14th Amendment and protecting our sacred American right to vote, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and standing up for the religious liberty of our kids and seniors.

But even with the many historic wins we've achieved, the battle is far from over. The attacks on our constitutionally protected rights persist. Countless unborn babies remain in jeopardy, and across the globe, innocent Christians are being targeted and killed across this country and around the world.

This fight isn't just the ACLJ's, it's all of ours. It belongs to every American who wants to preserve the values and beliefs on which this nation was founded. None of the victories we've won would have been possible without the unwavering support of ACLJ members and ACLJ champions.

It's been an honor to fight for you all these years. Join us in fighting for freedom. Have your donation doubled at aclj.org/freedom.

Guest (Male): Do you even realize the impact you make? Choosing freedom or oppression, justice or corruption, faith or godlessness, life or death. One factor can make the difference. And what is it? You. As an ACLJ supporter, you have great power.

You make a tremendous impact. And this month, you can double that impact. Right now, your most sacred rights as an American—your freedom of speech, your freedom to pray and worship, even our free and fair election process—are being threatened.

Right now, as part of our ACLJ impact match, you can double your support. Go to aclj.org/impact and have your tax-deductible gift doubled dollar-for-dollar, doubling your impact to defend faith, freedom, and innocent life. Your impact is powerful, but the time is short. Go to aclj.org/impact and have your gift doubled today.

Logan Sekulow: Welcome back. All right, I was just planning out this video presentation, and if we want to start with it, Will, if you want me to lead up to it. Will's put together, this team has put together great video packages.

The first one was really fun. We aired it on Monday, then it was able to be shared and people are sharing on social media. This one's going to go up tomorrow. So if you like this and you want to share it independently of the broadcast, tomorrow it's going to go up on all our social platforms and on YouTube.

And I encourage you with these videos. They are made, yes, we hope you really like them, we hope you enjoy them, we hope you get informed by them, but they are made also to reach new people that maybe wouldn't tune in to an hour show or maybe they need something that is a bit more palatable, a bit more digestible, something that's a bit more fun to watch.

So I know you're going to like it because you already like Will, you already like our team here. But we think that there are people who don't normally watch that will enjoy this content as well. So I'm going to encourage you when you see it get posted tomorrow to share it on all platforms that you can. It's a very shareable, it's made to be shared.

It's made to get informed. So I'm going to set this one up. This is the second video in our Know Your Rights week video presentations. Will, what's this one about? Actually, what, it speaks for itself. So here you go. Here's Will.

Will: You'll get fired for that Bible! All right, let's clear something up because I hear this one a lot. If you open your Bible at work, you're going to get fired. Wrong. Dead wrong. Here's the myth. A government employee opens a Bible at their desk, holds a lunchtime Bible study in a conference room, and somebody in the office goes, whoa, whoa, whoa, can't do that. Separation of church and state.

Sounds official. Sounds like it should be true. It's not what the founders said. It's not what the Constitution says. And it's definitely not what the Supreme Court has said. Here's the actual truth. The First Amendment's got two parts when it comes to religion, and people love to only remember one of them.

Part one: the establishment clause. The government can't set up an official religion, and they can't force one on you. That's fine. Part two: the one everyone forgets. The free exercise clause. The government also can't stop you from practicing your religion. Also fine.

These two aren't fighting each other. They're on the same team. And religious speech gets the same constitutional protection as any other speech. The Supreme Court has said it more than once. Exhibit A: Coach Kennedy. High school football coach. After every game, he'd walk out to the 50-yard line, kneel down, and pray by himself, quiet, personal. Nobody's arms being twisted.

The school district looks at this and says, that's an establishment clause problem, and disciplines him. The ACLJ files an amicus brief at the Supreme Court and makes the case that the establishment clause was never supposed to be used as a weapon against religious liberty. It was supposed to protect it.

The Supreme Court agrees. It rules in his favor. He wasn't speaking for the school. He was a guy on his own time doing his own thing, same as any coach chatting on a cell phone or checking a text after the final whistle. Translation: your job doesn't get to silence your personal life just because your personal life happens to involve God.

Now the Bible study. Same logic, different room. If coworkers can spend their lunch break talking fantasy football, reading a paperback, a voluntary Bible study during that same lunch break gets the same green light. Nobody's forced to attend. Nobody's work is interrupted. It's personal time. It's a personal choice. End of story.

Myth number two—and I enjoy debunking this one—that the establishment clause means government buildings have to be scrubbed clean of anything religious. Like faith has to check itself at the metal detector. Not true. It never was.

And the First Amendment calls for an accommodation, not an exile. In fact, the federal government has actual written guidelines on this. They say employees get to engage in religious conversation and activity to the same degree they're allowed to engage in non-religious conversation and activity.

That's according to the government's own rulebook. You can't single out and shut it down just because it's religious. Now for the fine print. There are limits. Nobody gets pressured into it. Nobody gets coerced. And a supervisor can't imply, even subtly, that showing up to a Bible study helps your next promotion or that skipping it hurts your career.

The second coercion enters the picture, the protection's gone. This only works if it's genuinely, completely voluntary. Bottom line: personal time, no pressure, no coercion. That's the whole test. Clear it and the Constitution's got your back. At your desk, in the break room, and at the 50-yard line, wherever.

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Logan Sekulow: There it is. That's our second video in that series, the Know Your Rights series. If you like that, again, the first one's available to share on all the platforms. Just look for it, it's there. Second one will be that one you just saw. It will be coming out independently of the broadcast as its own post tomorrow.

I'm going to encourage you to share this. I see a lot of people who really like these, Will. One person just said they'd like to have a barbecue with you.

Will: Oh, well, am I doing the cooking or am I going to their barbecue? I can grill, but also sometimes I just want to kick back, relax, and enjoy their food.

Logan Sekulow: I prefer you boil. I saw people asking if I was going to grow a beard next. I used to have a beard a long time ago. Why not? We three beards.

Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. Look, we got a couple minutes left. Do we have time to take one of these calls? Let's go to Judy in South Carolina. You are on the air.

Judy: Hi, my question is, has anyone discussed how if one of these self-professed communists does get elected, they're going to swear on the Bible to uphold the Constitution?

Logan Sekulow: Yeah, well, Judy, some have. I mean even look, you have the mayor of New York City who, again, not a communist—we do have to clarify. They hate when you say they are democrat socialists that don't believe in private property rights, they don't believe in the Democratic Republic of the United States, they don't believe in prisons.

Yeah, they are communists. They probably want, you know, prisons for their political enemies, but not for... Sinos? You're going to put, yes, that's a new thing. I like that. It just means communist.

Here's the thing. I think there's a lot of people who have sworn an oath to the Constitution in this country who haven't actually worked to uphold that over the years. And yes, I don't think anyone's going to actually be able to get them removed from office for their failing to uphold the oath.

Well, if people are voting for them, I'm sorry, that's just the way the cookie crumbles, if you will. That is where we live in the society where if you do get elected, you know what? They got legally elected. That's just where we are. We've got to just fight back in terms of the way their media presentation gets out there.

We've got to fight back against their social media influence. Those are the things that are driving, and look, it even has to do with personalities, it has to do with people who are able to speak on camera well, they're able to communicate. And a lot of these people are great communicators. I think when you really break it down, they're incredible communicators even if you disagree with what they have to say.

We have to at least be honest. And we have to be honest when they do have things that maybe our candidates or maybe the more moderate candidates... Look what happened in New York City. Why? Because you had older Cuomo and then you had a young upstart who was incredible on camera and is great at social media.

Okay, let's not pretend that that's how it is. We have to have people who combat that. Phone lines are open for you. I want to hear from you. We also have a second half hour coming up. Mike Pompeo's going to be joining us. But also I want to hear from you.

But look, we're halfway through the second week of our impact match during Know Your Rights week. We want you to be a part of the team right now. Have your donation doubled. That's at aclj.org/act. That's aclj.org. Scan that QR code. We'll be back in less than a minute. Join us.

Guest (Male): As an ACLJ supporter, you have great power. You make a tremendous impact. And this month, you can double that impact. Go to aclj.org/impact and have your tax-deductible gift doubled dollar-for-dollar, doubling your impact to defend faith, freedom, and innocent life.

Your impact is powerful, but the time is short. Go to aclj.org/impact and have your gift doubled today.