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Logan Sekulow: Welcome to Sekulow. It's Friday. Kicking off what is, for a lot of people, a holiday weekend as Memorial Day will be celebrated on Monday. A really good way to start our 250th celebration of America, I think, is to remember those who gave the ultimate sacrifice and died while serving our nation.

Of course, Memorial Day on Monday. For a lot of people, we know you're going to have the day off. A lot of people will be kicking off summer that way, but I think it's a good reminder as we head into a summer really celebrating America. This is a proper way to kick off your, if you want to say, celebrations by remembering those who, again, paid that ultimate price for our freedoms and for our safety here in America.

Will: That's right, Logan. As we reflect on this, not just remembering those that have given that ultimate sacrifice, but also just the foundations of this country itself. This is a good time. I encourage you to read the Declaration of Independence as many times as you can this year, but start now if you haven't yet.

Because we've heard already the way the media will try to spin things. They were trying to push back on Speaker of the House Mike Johnson for just quoting the Declaration of Independence. We've strayed so far in so many areas of this country from the foundations that the founders really believed in and wanted to happen and the way that we could thrive as a country. I think as much as we can, getting back to that is an important thing.

Logan Sekulow: To pivot to what we are talking about a bit today, as we were going off the air yesterday, there was a big press conference that was happening in Minnesota about the fraud scandal that has really rocked the country in general. The details of what's coming out of these investigations, remember, it is very easy—and I know a lot of you say nothing ever gets done, we move on. I always say the media does move on very quickly and we forget about these topics that become a dominant news story every day.

But we've seen out of the Trump administration, and now we could say we saw it after—there was RFK Jr. there, there was Dr. Oz there, a lot of people involved directly. They are still working on these cases and it is bigger than I think anyone can imagine.

Will: That's right. As they continue to prosecute these cases, it not only is going to put an end to those individuals committing this fraud, but hopefully serve as a deterrent to those that continue or think maybe I should defraud the United States.

Yesterday it was announced 15 individuals had been indicted for over 90 million in alleged healthcare fraud. It was a scheme in Minnesota and it saw even things like $40 million worth of fraud that was targeted to programs that were supposed to help children and families with autism. So not only did they steal from the taxpayers, but that money wasn't going to families that needed it and could use that to help live and thrive in America. They were stealing that from children that need it.

Logan Sekulow: Don't think of this as some sort of Robin Hood scenario where there's fraud happening but maybe that's good because the government is doing—no. These are people who were going after specifically people that needed this money, diverting it to places it should not be going and doing it to the tune of millions and millions and millions of dollars.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. We are covering that massive fraud situation headed out of Minnesota. We've been covering this for months and a lot of you have said nothing ever gets done. But you know what? It looks like there's actually movement happening. When you get distracted by what's happening in media coverage and you think nothing's happening, remember there are people working behind the scenes. That's what we're able to see out of Minnesota. Will, let's give an update.

Will: That's right. There is an Assistant Attorney General for Fraud Enforcement, Colin MacDonald, giving a press conference right now. Right behind him is RFK Jr., the Health and Human Services Secretary, as well as you see Dr. Oz, who's the Medicaid and Medicare Administrator.

Here is what we're seeing. 15 individuals have been indicted for over $90 million in alleged healthcare fraud scheme in Minnesota. This was a sweeping FBI investigation with the DOJ. It is two of the largest Medicaid fraud cases ever charged in that district. It has seven additional Medicaid programs that were used in this fraud.

This is all from a tweet from the Director of the FBI. Minnesota public healthcare resources were defrauded to the tune of tens of millions of dollars, targeting programs such as housing stabilization services, childcare, Medicaid programs, individualized home supports, as well as a scheme worth over $40 million that targeted early intensive developmental and behavioral intervention. That's a program meant to help children that have autism and they were using that to siphon $40 million from taxpayers.

I just—you start to see this and we've seen it in California, you see more and more out of Minnesota. That's where even today the defendant that was in the feeding our future that was charged with $250 million of fraud was just sentenced to 41 and a half years in prison. The amount of fraud in our healthcare system.

People on the left that push so hard for Obamacare and that said that was such a great program. When the reality of what Obamacare did to get more people insured was expand Medicaid. That was the largest amount of people they got coverage under it.

What do we see now? Where is all the fraud? It's in Medicaid. It was that expansion without the proper guardrails on it that has led to them stealing taxpayer dollars to billions of dollars. And here's the other problem with it. Everyone else is suffering. It's not just taking your taxpayer dollars.

It's this entire program that has created a way that's driving up every single person's healthcare costs. When people say healthcare's unaffordable in this country, it's not just because of the way the insurance systems works and we need tort reform, things of that nature which we've been saying for a long time. It has exploded exponentially because of the ways that fraud is so easily done and therefore all these insurance companies have to raise their rates. The prices of things have to go up. It's not just taking your hard earned taxpayer dollar, it's hitting you twice because every single person's healthcare costs are skyrocketing and it all goes back to one thing and that is the disaster that was Obamacare.

Logan Sekulow: Absolutely. I do want to take some phone calls if we can. Let's go to William who's calling in California. William, go ahead.

William: Thank you for taking my call. In regards to the lady who disguised all the things she took and all the documents as cake recipes and such. I know you're being polite when you say she probably didn't know what was going on or what she was doing. Yes, she did. I'm 83 years old. I've been around a long time. The people I've met in my lifetime is unbelievable. She knew exactly what she was doing or she wouldn't have tried to disguise them in the first place.

Logan Sekulow: William, I'll clarify. I don't think we ever said—100 percent agree with you. Actually we said exactly what you're saying and Jordan even said she's an attorney. She was a managing Assistant US Attorney in the Southern District of Florida. She knew exactly what she was doing.

It makes it that much worse because as a high up attorney in the DOJ and even the content of what it was, she knew the consequences of it, as well as it shows that intent that she renamed the files. If she didn't know what she was doing, "I just forwarded it to my personal email address, no big deal." No, she knew exactly what she was doing. She renamed the files in order to conceal the contents thereof. So I agree with you 100 percent, William. Thank you for calling and thanks for watching on YouTube.

Again, let's go to Leslie who's calling in Virginia. Leslie is an ACLJ champion. Leslie, you're on the air.

Leslie: Hello. ACLJ champion and Zionist. So I'm going to kind of avoid going to Texas. But what I wanted to tie in what you're saying today with what you said, I think it was Monday or Tuesday.

If you believe the premise that our rights come from man and man's law, then you can justify what she's saying in Texas, you can justify the segregation laws, the Jim Crow laws of the 1960s. But if you believe that your rights come from the Creator, then you have to believe that all men are created equal and have certain rights and nobody can take those away. No man can take those away.

Logan Sekulow: Leslie, I think that's an exactly great analysis of what we talked about earlier when Katie Tur said was trying to call out the Speaker of the House and saying is he putting God above the Declaration of Independence? And the entire premise of if we stray from how the founders set this up.

If laws come from government, if rights come from government, then that is at the political whim of the fickle government. But in reality, because they come from God and if we hold fast to that, then our country can course correct when it has not lived up to those principles.

As you mentioned, segregation, the history that we have in this country where we didn't live up to what our principles are. You can course correct as long as you're going back to that same principle that all men are created equal and that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights being life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So yes, we need to course correct back to the foundation.

We can quickly try to take Eric in Pennsylvania. Eric, go ahead. Watching on Salem News Channel. We've got about a minute left, Eric.

Eric: My comment is that the left is so anti-Semitic they hurt themselves. Kamala Harris should have picked Shapiro for Vice President. I'm not saying they would have won, but they'd have been much closer. Shapiro's running for governor. They might not go out and vote for him because he's Jewish. This is crazy.

Logan Sekulow: Eric, I'm not sure about the one comment there, but the rest of it, I think you're right and we know it was pretty much stated in her book and some of the books saying specifically Shapiro was not picked with a concern because he was Jewish.

And look, again like I said, social media would tell you that that was the right move. But you know what didn't? The votes in Kentucky. What's looking like it's not going to be is the Democrats who are going to stand up against what's going on at Texas because they know it could mean a political end for them and they also maybe have some moral backbone, hopefully.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. I'll be honest, got a lot of people watching right now and nobody calling in. I don't know if you just don't want to speak your mind right now, you're trying to listen into what we're talking about here. But I'm encouraged if you want to be on the air. It's a great time to call in, 1-800-684-3110.

Will: I have a question that may get people to call. Okay. Do you think that James Comey is setting the stage for himself to run for President? We know he's got an indictment over his head that's lingering over that Instagram post.

Logan Sekulow: Like that hasn't stopped people from running for President. That's fair. But say that all gets cleared up. Do you think he is setting the stage? He's written that book, *A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership*. That came out years ago, but that was the kind of presidential style book that people write. We now hear him saying things like, "Hold out two more years and we can rebuild." That is a call to action and he has been doing a lot of media.

If we're whispering it, other people are talking about it. Look, I think what you got to understand, I don't want to act like we are some political prognosticators. If that thought has ever entered our mind, I will assure you that that has entered the mind and the conversation of not just James Comey but the people surrounding him and the people approaching him.

The amount of people that I know that have been approached in real life by real, whether it's political action committees or whatever it may be, with the effort to get them to run for President. You'd be surprised at the people who have been approached to try to have that good run.

But I guarantee you when there's movies being made about you, when there's conversations being had, you're in that mix. I'm not saying that he has plans for it. I'm not saying it's even on the docket for him. But where you're right, when you're doing media, unsolicited media in some ways, when you're not out there promoting a product, you're not out there promoting something current.

Sure, he could say he's currently trying to defend himself in the court of public opinion. But why? Why does that matter? Why does it matter one, we know he loves television. We know he loves to talk on camera. Nothing wrong with that. It's a commendable thing. We know he loves to meddle around with what's happening in the politics, especially around election season.

Whether that's midterms or whether that is the presidential season, we know he loves to get himself in the mix. So that's not shocking to say the least. However, I do think even if it's not him running for President, that there are bigger aspirations.

What that looks like—again, this is not an older guy. This is a guy who is 65. He is 15 years younger than the current President of the United States. Put that into your brain right now. Between Joe Biden and President Trump, we were talking about presidents who were in their 80s.

Barack Obama was an outlier. George W. Bush was an outlier to really our whole initial generation. It's a lot of been older people. Of course now we are seeing, if he's 65 now, you talk about 67, that's kind of like prime age for what seems to be the preferred presidential candidate for a lot of people.

I mean Bernie Sanders was preferred for a lot of people and I don't know where he is age-wise, but I will tell you it's on the older side. So give us a call. What do you think? 1-800-684-3110. Is he going to try to play this rational centrist kind of role?

I know that he has tried to become a hero to the left with all his actions he took against President Trump, even though he was despised by them for all the things he did to Hillary Clinton during that entire campaign. People forget about that. So what do you think? Do you think he's going to try to run? Give us a call.

But there is some other things we need to update people on. That's a big victory because we filed last week, we told you, at the Supreme Court last Thursday, urging the Supreme Court do not take Virginia's request to put a hold on the state court's block of their referendum which changed their congressional map, making it a 10 to 1 Democrat to Republican congressional map.

The Supreme Court of the United States did just what we were asking and rejected the bid from the Democrats in Virginia trying to get them to weigh in and allow their congressional map to move forward. We were talking about that. You never know what's going to happen at the Supreme Court, but that is one of the reasons why it's so important to file, why the ACLJ was able to jump on that and get a brief in what feels like record time to the Supreme Court saying, "Don't take this."

One, you look at what the Supreme Court did. It was a state constitutional matter. You don't need to weigh in here. It was a very brief order, one sentence order, so it didn't go into rationale why or why they didn't take it. But we do know that that at least for now is no longer a threat that the way they changed the rules in Virginia—the way they said we're trying to make it fair, which fair to them meant completely rewriting it and taking away the voice of almost half of their state who votes conservatively, not progressively, not on the left.

So they were trying to be fair by taking away their own people's voice. You also see what they're trying to do there, where since their new governor went in place, they are trying to disenfranchise the own state's votes even more by signing off on that Interstate Electoral College Popular Vote Compact, which says that if they get to 270 Electoral College votes, it doesn't matter how the people of their state vote anymore. They're only going to go with what the popular vote is.

Virginia consistently with the Democrats they have elected are trying to take away the voice of Virginians. And that should concern not just the people in Virginia—and we know we have a lot of people listening from there—but everyone around the country.

Because we saw what Kamala Harris said last week, that there's no bad ideas. They thought that was a good enough messaging point, Logan, from that call, that on May 15th at 5:17 PM, I got a fundraising email from Kamala Harris saying, "If you've been looking for a way to fight back against Republicans cheating across this country, this is it. Look, we've got to fight fire with fire. These folks are playing to win, so we need to play to win too. They're ruthless, so we need to be ruthless too."

"When the stakes are this high, there are no bad ideas. It's time for us to talk about Electoral College reform, Supreme Court reform and ethics, multi-member districts, statehood for DC and Puerto Rico and more." What we saw was like a crazy talk saying let's just throw everything out there.

They thought that was a good enough messaging point and clearly did well enough with enough people because people like us are talking about it. But they're fundraising on it now, which means that enough people want that. That's scary. So you've either got Kamala Harris wanting to completely throw out our entire constitutional framework or you've got James Comey who thinks he's above it all at this point. We're going in an interesting trajectory here in the next few years.

Logan Sekulow: Look, and we have a petition I want you to get involved in before we end this segment and head to the second half hour. We do have a few lines still open, some of you have called in. Maybe you took Will's question. 1-800-684-3110 to get heard on the air today.

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I think over 100,000 of you have done it already. Go to sign the petition, scan the QR code you see on the screen, or go to ACLJ.org/sign right now. That's ACLJ.org/sign to be a part of that and spend some time on the ACLJ website while you're there.

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