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Logan Sekulow: Welcome to Sekulow. We made it, folks. It’s Friday. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Wrapping up our Stop the Madness week here at the ACLJ, where we’re going to uncover a lot of the great work the ACLJ is doing. Frankly, you couldn’t imagine a lot of this is actually happening in our own country.

Today, we’re going to be taking you over to California. Of course, we’re going to be talking about our case in support of Calvary Chapel and against Gavin Newsom in the state of California. We’ll discuss that a little bit later. We’ve also got Rick Grenell coming on in the next segment, so you’re not going to want to miss that.

Today, the big news of the morning involves Tulsi Gabbard, Director of National Intelligence. She’s been a friend of ours, a colleague, and a contributor to this show for a number of years before she was given that position. What I like about her is that it feels like no stones are left unturned.

It doesn’t matter how many years ago we’re going to go back. This one isn’t that many years ago. We’re going back just to the 2024 election and a report that came out from our friends at Just the News. It says that there was a multimillion-dollar, hundreds of millions of dollars, potential fraud going on specifically to bolster the Biden reelection campaign. It’s coming from a foreign source.

Will Haynes: That’s right. For those of you that watch the show, this may not sound shocking, but it is shocking when you read that there are intercepts that were in the possession of our government. Intelligence agencies got these intercepts from Ukrainian government officials' communications as far back as 2022.

The U.S. government had these that talked about a plot that would redirect USAID money earmarked for clean energy projects in Ukraine to be funneled back to the United States and into the coffers of the Democrat National Committee as well as the Joe Biden reelection campaign. We’ve been concerned about the Ukrainian issue for as long as Joe Biden was a candidate for the presidency.

This report shows there’s a summary of these raw intercepts that say the Ukrainian government and unspecified U.S. government personnel through USAID in Kyiv reportedly developed a plan. This plan would provide hundreds of millions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to fund an infrastructure project in Ukraine that would actually be used as cover to send approximately 90% of funds allocated to the DNC to fund Joe Biden’s reelection campaign.

This is shocking and newly uncovered. We obviously know that the intelligence agencies that had possession of this were under the Joe Biden administration. What Tulsi Gabbard is now doing is a massive investigation into this, finding out through records and other ways if this plot was carried out and whether a criminal referral should be made to the FBI.

We’ve talked about corruption in Ukraine and election interference from these governments, but right here, you’re seeing that even the administration under Joe Biden had receipt of this.

Logan Sekulow: I want you to understand, folks. It’s not saying now, because I think a lot of people in the podcast world seem to get caught up in this kind of thing, that this corruption happening in Ukraine must make Russia the good guy. No. What it just shows you is there is corruption happening at all levels of politics, including here in America.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. Rick Grenell is joining us right now. We are discussing this Just the News coverage and this breaking news. It’s not necessarily shocking news that the Ukrainian government potentially, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, had a plot.

Will Haynes: Rick, this is John Solomon, our friend over at Just the News, who has this report. It is one of the only places you can see this report. It is coming off of a declassified summary from our government. Apparently, during the Biden administration, they intercepted communications between the Ukrainian government and unspecified U.S. government personnel through USAID.

They were coming up with this plan to funnel taxpayer dollars through a clean energy program in Ukraine back to the DNC and the reelection of Joe Biden. When you saw this, does it ring true that this could be something that could have happened?

Rick Grenell: First of all, raise your hand if you’re shocked that this didn’t leak out during the Biden administration. Every little piece of information is manipulated from the intelligence agency when it is an anti-Republican moment. And yet here we have the raw intelligence showing that the Ukrainians were trying to funnel U.S. taxpayer money back to the Biden campaign in order to help them win.

They wanted Biden to win because they were getting money from Biden for this war between Russia and Ukraine. They didn’t want the money to end. So they were willing to sacrifice a couple hundred million dollars to send it back to the political system in America even though it started with U.S. taxpayer dollars.

It was supposed to go for an energy program. Instead, the allegation is that it went back and helped Biden’s campaign. This is outrageous. It should be front-page news. We should be investigating this. Thank God Tulsi is the one that has found this and declassified this. Now they’re trying to figure out if any of the money actually went into the campaign.

Will Haynes: Rick, this story has so many elements to it that should be almost vindicating to people on the right in the conservative media. They have been talking and raising genuine questions about whether there was corruption between the Bidens and the Ukrainians. Well, that’ll get you impeached and kicked off social media if you ask that. You’ll have all the intelligence community writing a very strongly worded letter against you if you were to say that.

Once again, people that say they feel like a lot of this clean energy initiative is kind of a scam. How dare you, you climate denier? Yet in this one story, and it’s not like it’s some random person, these are intercepts within the government. The investigation is now whether or not people acted on this.

The intercepts clearly showed that there was a plot, whether or not it went forward, that encompassed all the things that if you were a conservative questioning, you were canceled. I'm thankful that this government is looking into this now.

Rick Grenell: In order to restore faith in the intelligence agencies, to restore faith in the process to fund Ukraine and the war in Congress, we need to see Avril Haines testify in Congress on this particular issue. What did she know and when did she know it? Why did she cover it up?

Did she dismiss this as not being accurate or phony? Then tell us, because right now what we see is a total cover-up from the Avril Haines intelligence community where she knew there was this scheme to take U.S. taxpayer money from Ukrainian funding, pretend like it was going to an energy company, but it really was going to reelect Joe Biden.

That’s a scandal. The fact that we caught it is fantastic, but why didn’t it come out then? What was done to ensure that the money didn’t actually go to that campaign?

Logan Sekulow: I want to clarify something. Avril Haines is no relation. It's spelled differently. I just want to make sure people don't think this is some sort of plot that we have here. But I think it’s important also that you do have someone like Tulsi in this position and you’ve had people like you in these kind of positions.

People are not just going to say that’s old news and we’re not worrying about that anymore. They will deep dive and continue searching for what’s going on, even if the appetite from the news media may have moved on.

Rick Grenell: We’ve got to give credit to Tulsi. She actually declassified this so that we could see the whole story. It wasn’t some mystery or some leaks that are coming out with partial information. She actually declassified the whole story. Now, I think it’s up to Congress to take this declassified information and figure out what exactly went wrong. Why didn’t we know about it then? What did Avril know, and when did she know it?

Logan Sekulow: Welcome back. Lots of you are watching and tuning in right now. We are discussing this report coming out from Just the News with this in-depth coverage. This report said the U.S. had intercepted messages from the Ukrainian government with at least a plot to get money into the Biden reelection campaign.

None of us are really shocked by this. You had a situation where Ukraine was receiving millions and millions of dollars from the Biden administration. Of course, they wanted that to continue going. Just because this is happening doesn’t mean we’re saying Russia is good in this situation. No, that's not how this works.

What we’re saying is that there is corruption happening at all levels. There is interference and influence coming from foreign governments in our own elections, and we don’t need to be numb to that. Even if it’s not shocking, the fact that we have the report to me is actually the good news.

You have someone like John Solomon and then you also have Tulsi Gabbard on the other side who are exposing what is going on. So maybe there is hope for a future where this doesn’t happen. If it can be brought to light, it can then be thwarted.

Will Haynes: Here is something to think about as well. When you look at this story, it goes into detail that the intercepts even talked about subcontractors of USAID that would be possible recipients of the money that would eventually be moved to the DNC. This was not just a "what if." This was a plan of how they could move the money from the taxpayer to USAID, to Ukraine, to subcontractors, and back to the DNC and the Biden reelection campaign.

When you think about what the left did and the deep state did to President Trump when there were allegations that weren’t vetted, they put it out in the media and they reordered a new intelligence community assessment. President Obama ordered it. When they said this stuff is not credible, they said it rings true. That’s John Brennan, and they went forward. They pushed and they pushed and they leaked allegations.

When President Trump said to Zelenskyy, "You need to look into see if there's corruption in your country," what happened? They impeached him. Now think about this context. This is something that’s received. It seems to be a plot that was discussed by some sort of conspiracy within people that were in the U.S. government and Ukraine. Does that mean Joe Biden knew about this? Not according to this report.

And honestly, I highly doubt that anything would come forward that shows that he did. But he was President and it was his intelligence agencies. Tell me there’s not a deep state when you see that this was in the hands of Avril Haines. They didn’t run to Congress and say, "You’ve got to impeach Joe Biden. There’s so much corruption in this government that we are a part of."

No, because that’s not what they do to their own. That’s not what they do when the end goal is the reelection and preservation of the deep state. That is the tale of two presidencies when it comes to information and Ukraine.

Logan Sekulow: Speaking of leaky administrations, phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. That being said, we are during Stop the Madness week telling you about the work of the ACLJ. We don’t have a ton of time right now, but I want to play this video and hopefully it gives you a minute to understand some of the incredible work the ACLJ is doing. This is, of course, in support of our friends at Calvary Chapel against the state of California. Take a look.

Guest (Male): The San Jose church that defied Santa Clara County's public health order will have to pay more than a million dollars in fines. You’re going to lose this freedom that you thought was here, the American dream. It’s going to be gone because it was a freedom to believe as you want to believe and to worship who you want to worship. But they’re coming in saying, "No, you can't sing, you can't gather. We’ve got to fear this disease."

Calvary Chapel San Jose, just like many other churches throughout the state of California, was punished by draconian orders issued by Gavin Newsom during COVID-19. They refuse to comply with orders that the courts recognize violated their fundamental rights to freely live out their faith and express their fundamental religious beliefs.

Nonetheless, California has still decided to fine them millions and millions of dollars simply because they chose to meet. We appealed with Jay Sekulow to the Supreme Court for just what's left of all these fines. We are asking the Supreme Court to take this case not just to correct the wrong done to Calvary Chapel, but for the future as well.

We saw how the government can overreach, not just at the federal level, but at the state and local levels. The Constitution continues to protect the rights of churches to worship freely. Equal treatment, that's what the Constitution demands and what we hope to have the opportunity to fight for at the Supreme Court.

Logan Sekulow: Once again, that is a case we’ve told you a lot about. Remember, we just got the reply from California on their reasons why the Supreme Court should not take it. We will be able to respond to that as well. Next week, also, I want to give you a heads-up. We’re going to have Robert Tyler from Advocates for Faith and Freedom.

He is the attorney that had it at the District Court level, at the Appellate level, and is co-counsel with us at the Supreme Court. We joined alongside Advocates for Faith and Freedom to bring this case before the Supreme Court. They're a wonderful organization based out of California. We’ll have Robert Tyler, Chief Counsel there, on the broadcast next week to talk more about that.

We’re not going anywhere. We’ve got a second half hour coming up. We’re going to take your calls. 1-800-684-3110. Last day for Stop the Madness. Support this show and support our legal work at ACLJ.org. We’ve got a packed second half hour. We’ll be right back.