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Logan Sekulow: All right, we're back. It's Monday. This is Logan Sekulow. It's July 27th. We're here wrapping up the summertime. Can you believe it? Here we are. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Actually, according to my records, they're not open yet. Can we open up those lines? Let's see. There they are. Now they're open. So if you were trying to be one of those people who sneaks in before, not today.

Phone lines are now open 1-800-684-3110. Look, today's topic, we're going to be bouncing around a lot. Rick Grenell's going to be joining us, Will Haines in studio. But we've got a lot of ground to cover. But first, one we've got to cover is from the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America. I'm just making sure. I don't know if they were okay with saying of America. I feel like it could be of something else. Like there could be some like the A stands for something else. Like authoritarianism. You can come up with something, sure.

The Democratic Socialists of America leader, one of the co-chairs, was making the rounds. In appearing on the news, she was on Shannon Bream. Asking questions, Shannon Bream decided, hey, let's do a little back and forth here. A little rapid fire. Let's do a little true or false. Bream brought it. You've got to hear this because, of course, it does not disappoint. Bite one.

Shannon Bream: We're going to put up on the screen a few of the things that are part of your platform, and I want to ask you just give me a true or false on these. Abolish the Senate.

Megan Ramer: True.

Shannon Bream: Okay. Replace the presidency and Supreme Court as we now know them.

Megan Ramer: Yep.

Shannon Bream: Abolish ICE.

Megan Ramer: Absolutely.

Shannon Bream: Abolish borders and give amnesty to anyone currently in the U.S. illegally.

Megan Ramer: As a long-term plan, yep.

Shannon Bream: Defund the Pentagon.

Megan Ramer: Absolutely.

Shannon Bream: Abolish prisons, at least in large part.

Megan Ramer: Yeah, again, as part of a long-term program, yeah.

Shannon Bream: Okay, so no prisons. Government or public ownership of most large corporations.

Megan Ramer: Yeah, absolutely.

Logan Sekulow: Just at the end, she says how about corporations? Yeah, we shouldn't have any public ownership. But then we go through it. I mean, you're talking about an actual political platform right now that does sound shocking. But remember, some of the top leaders of the Democratic Party right now, the shining stars of the party, are at least associated with the Democratic Socialists of America or are card-carrying members of the Democratic Socialists of America.

So again, not just things you typically expect. Abolish ICE, you hear that a lot, not shocked about that. Then you go, okay, how about let's abolish the borders, all borders. They say yes to that. And then you get to things like okay, we've heard about abolishing the Senate. We know that's one of the ones they've been talking about a lot. Then the Pentagon, the presidency, and the Supreme Court. And then a long-term plan: no prisons.

Will Haines: That's right. And when you look at this, it may sound shocking to those of us that believe in our constitutional framework. But when we get back from this break, we're going to show that it isn't just reforming, in their mind, these things that are American, uniquely American, our three co-equal branches of government. It is legitimately trying to get rid of our constitutional framework as it is, as a stated part of their platform. And we're going to show you exactly what they are doing to get to that end.

Logan Sekulow: Look at what's happening and they suggest maybe we go to similar to a parliamentary type system of like what runs in the UK. How many leaders have they had in the last decade? How many what you would consider to be like your president, a prime minister? I think they've had seven in the last ten years. Can you imagine the upheaval that would happen in America?

I mean, somewhat I'm a little jealous because when things are going wrong you can just be like, all right, next one out. But we could see what's happening in London, we could see what's happening in the UK, and I don't think the people there are too thrilled with that. I want to hear from you. 1-800-684-3110. Are these proud DSA members, your AOCs, your Momdanis, are they going to have to now correct the record a little bit? Are they going to have to distance themselves? We're going to talk about that as well. Wrap up just the last few days of our Liberty Drive. Be a part of it today at ACLJ.org where all donations are doubled through the month.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. We got a lot to cover today because again, if you're just tuning in right now, we are talking about what seems like a one-off interview. You had the DSA co-chair Megan Ramer, she was on Shannon Bream's Fox News show and was just asked about the platform. Walked us through the platform. Where do they actually stand? Do they actually believe in some of this crazy rhetoric that we're hearing?

And again, we're not talking about just the things that maybe are becoming more popular, something like an abolishing ICE. We are talking about things that get a little bit whackier. We're talking about abolishing prisons, the presidency, defunding the Pentagon, replacing the Supreme Court as we know it now, going to a more parliamentary UK-style system. This is what they're pushing here. And again, good on them. Didn't back down. Said, yeah, that's where we're headed here. Get on board or you're maybe left behind, Democrats.

Will Haines: And once again, this is why we have to point this out and why we have to talk about this. It's not just because this is some radical idea that's floating around and these people have no chance, they're running as third-party independents that are never going to even get a percentage of the vote in these elections. These are now people that are a part of the DSA using the Democrat Party as their vessel to get elected. And we know that there's going to be a lot of new members of Congress that are a part of this in the next Congress, so starting in November.

Logan Sekulow: I had a question about that, because a lot of people would say how is this any different than a Libertarian running as a Republican? Because people will go, this isn't a third party, but in some ways it is. But that third party is somehow getting a stranglehold on the mainstream Democratic Party.

Will Haines: That's right. And they have used the DNC, the Democrat Party, as its vessel. Or almost as if the Tea Party were a full-on party that decided, then, hey, let's go within the Republican Party and get elected because we believe that we want change. Now, the difference in a Tea Party movement, which was saying we want less government in our lives, we want to get back to the roots and we want to cling to the Constitution, this is a movement that wants to completely destroy the Constitution.

And here's what I find so fascinating about this, because they are willing to be very honest, which is almost more scary that they are out front. But then when you start to look at even what they put forward on their website, this is one thing about how they describe themselves. What is democratic socialism? We believe there are many avenues that feed into the democratic road to socialism. Our vision pushes further than historic social democracy and leaves behind authoritarian visions of socialism in the dustbin of history.

So they're trying to differentiate themselves and say, I don't know, the Soviet Union or things of that nature, or Cuba even, where it's authoritarian socialism if you will. But the problem is when you look at what they're doing, they take away all the constitutional safeguards against authoritarianism. They take away a three equal branches of government by eliminating the presidency, even destroying the bicameral system within the Congress and the legislature, and the Supreme Court they want to get rid of.

But at the same time, they're going to give more power to a unicameral system, which would be an expanded House of Representatives. This is the same type of people like Bernie Sanders that preach against an oligarchy. If you do this, if you tear down all of our constitutional framework and you give more power to the House of Representatives and it's only the House of Representatives, you will end up with nothing but an oligarchy, a rule of a group of people that become authoritarian because there is no checks on them at all.

Logan Sekulow: Look, and while Will sets it very well, I think you should hear it from the horse's mouth. You should hear from someone who's actually saying it. Because you can hear it from us all day long and go, maybe they're overstating, maybe they're bloviating. No, let's hear, this is from Shannon Bream's show. Go ahead.

Shannon Bream: Okay, so then let's go back through some of those then. Abolish the Senate. There are people who are in the Senate now who are very supportive of DSA. They lose their seats.

Megan Ramer: Well, the Senate is an anachronistic institution. It comes from the British House of Lords. It is made to protect power for, it was part of this system that was made to make sure that the people didn't have too much of a say. So we want to expand Congress significantly, but make it a unicameral legislature.

Will Haines: Where she's wrong about talking about that, it isn't to make sure the people don't have too much of a say. It's to make sure that we don't have mob rule in this country where the entire country changes on a whim because of what's popular. It actually helps protect minority positions in this country when you have a bicameral legislature, when you have the Senate, which has equal representation for every state and a House of Representatives which has representative and proportional representation in the Congress.

But then you also have checks on it from the executive, from the legislature. These are things that protect minority opinions in this country and help actually get to a system where you have to compromise. They are talking about zero compromise. They are talking about completely tearing down the foundations of this country. And you say, okay, well, how can you do that because our Constitution does protect these things? They're having workshops on how to write a constitution.

Here is a quote from the New York City chapter of DSA on a workshop that was titled "How to Write a Constitution." It says, "It has become increasingly apparent that the US Constitution exacerbates some of the worst elements of American politics." So they do not want our constitutional system to exist going forward. That is why even when she talks about government ownership of corporations, that is an oligarchy. She is saying it very clearly and even though it may not be the terms they want to use because they're trying to say that our system now is an oligarchy. Always listen to what they say. When they want all corporations owned by the government, and that government is run by a bureaucratic state and an expanded House of Representatives, that is every American losing their rights.

Logan Sekulow: It sounds, as Will said, like a bogeyman scenario. But it's a lot different when you actually start, like we're laughing about it a little bit here, but who will be laughing in five years? I think that's going to be the question. And you need to be a part of making sure that we're still the ones laughing at it. I encourage you if you can to support the work of the ACLJ. These are the kind of topics we'll be taking on straight on.

We've got to figure out where we're headed next few years. Some of these kind of topics feel like the ones where America is going to be at risk the most because it's happening from an internal point of view. And it's happening from a point of view that people seem to like. That's sort of the shocking part. As you probably would play these clips and there's probably a good number of good people in your life that will say, oh yeah, that sounds great. I agree. And they want to start using big words like Will does. They want to start saying anachronistic or bicameral. Only socialists use those words.

Will Haines: Oh, no.

Logan Sekulow: And Will. Who's hiding that really? We don't know. Maybe hiding in plain sight, maybe in this studio right now.

Will Haines: Are you calling me directly a socialist?

Logan Sekulow: Not directly. Indirectly, actually. I'm just asking questions. I've never heard the word bicameral used so many times in five minutes in my life. First time for everything. Or what's the singular cameral?

Will Haines: Unicameral.

Logan Sekulow: Unicameral. That's not even in my vocabulary. All right, phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. Let's go to Jamal calling in North Carolina. Jamal on line one, go ahead.

Jamal: Hey guys, great show. I've been told to get right into it, so here I am. When you have Black folks voting around 80% for the Democratic Party, some other minorities as well, you take that away from the Democratic Party, they don't have anything. So could you please tell the people that are listening and who could share to other minorities how the DSA would directly affect them?

Logan Sekulow: Yeah, I think that's a real concern. Look at when socialism has taken over in other areas of the world, and I think you can start to point out some pretty bad things that happen to people who are minorities in those communities.

Will Haines: That's right. Once again, once you have an authoritarian space, you can see how quickly it is minorities that are oppressed. And they may say things here, like even in this interview, we don't have time to play it before the break, but they talk about when they say abolish the prisons, they say, well, mainly we want to get rid of crimes of poverty, which is a very fleeting thing, like it's not really something you can define directly what that means. But at the same time, you see that they want to prosecute their political enemies like Benjamin Netanyahu with the International Criminal Court.

Jamal, what I would say is that whenever our system is always focused on becoming a more perfect union. That is what our founders said. And yes, there's a lot of things in the past that we had to correct, we had to course correct and make it a more perfect union. But completely tearing it down to the studs and saying none of this works, none of this protects anyone here, it will do nothing but enable people that think they know what's best for you. And I think that's a challenge to any American, whether you're whatever race, nationality. If you are now an American, you look at this and you have to say, do I think that this group of people believes and knows what's best for me better than I do myself? And I think what they would argue is yes, we know a lot better than you. And that's not the case.

Logan Sekulow: Thank you, Jamal. I have to say, our producer just put the definition of bicameral into the chat. I just want people to know, I do know what it means. I'm just saying I don't use it regularly. It doesn't just flow out of my mouth. And I'm a professor formally. I think once a professor, always a professor, that's what they say. Like the president.

Speaking of the presidency, I do have one change for the presidency I would like. Talk about when we get back. 1-800-684-3110. Be right back.

Welcome back to Sekulow. We're going to take some calls. We're going to move on to another topic, but a lot of you have called in. I want you to keep calling 1-800-684-3110. Some people said what's Logan's thoughts on the presidency? What's his one change? Maybe he's part of that big Democratic Socialists of America as well. Aha, we got you. Just like Will. He is. He uses big words. Only socialists use those kinds of words.

That being said, you know what I've always wanted? And I'm curious, let me know your thoughts because it kind of messes with your brain. Because we have always thought about a two-term presidency. But I've always had a big concern with the two-term presidency is that two years into your term, as your first term as president, you're now having to shift gears into running for president again. And therefore things get stuck, don't happen, you're distracted as the president, you don't move forward.

What I would love to see is a one-term presidency, and that term could be five or six years. It doesn't have to be four years. But you actually get all the work done, move forward, and then if you have a successor, a vice president that's doing well, likely they could be elected. And if not, we move forward. But we get a fresh face in there every say five, five I think is kind of a safe number. You want to say six? I think five is about right.

Will Haines: See, but I think six would be good because then you'd have two midterms rather. You have the first midterm then you have the second. I'd say six. Okay, so a six-year term and then that's it, you're done. We move on to the next one. None of this wasting years of your life having to try to win over the American people once again. Go in, you won, get your job done. Do what you say you're going to do. And if we don't like it, we move on with somebody else who's completely fresh either way.

Logan Sekulow: Love to hear your thoughts on that. 1-800-684-3110. Just one of my thoughts. If I was on this interview with Bream and she asked me that, she said true or false, I'd say true. I want to take some calls. We do have an ACLJ champion coming in, Linda's calling in Texas. By the way, a champion's someone that gives every month recurring like a membership. And if you do decide to become a champion this month, your first donation will be matched, it will be doubled during our Liberty Drive. Go ahead, Linda.

Linda: Well, thank you for having me on. And I'm laughing, I'm laughing because I'm thinking six years of Biden? No, you're kidding, really?

Logan Sekulow: That's the problem. See, that is the problem. That's why I tried to caveat it with Will terms. I thought six years is too much. I don't know. Go ahead.

Linda: But you know, if anything, who's the originalist constitutionalist on the panel over there? Because as I remember Obama spoke of the living, and that living Constitution means he can make changes abruptly or roughshod if you want to. But I'm so glad you guys are there. I really am because he doesn't get away with it, and you guys just don't let him.

But my thing, my point is, it's the welcome mat that the Democratic Party has allowed these socialists in into their party. They call it the big umbrella. But listen, they mean business and I've seen how Obama, President Obama has worked. So I pay attention. I wish most of America would. But yeah, I mean it's the welcome mat for this kind of ideology.

Will Haines: Absolutely, Linda. And honestly, they call it the big tent party. They're trying to say, look, we have our far-left wing and we have the normal Democrats. No, they don't anymore because you know who doesn't welcome the more moderate, I wouldn't even say moderate, very liberal Democrats for all intents and purposes are not welcome in the party anymore because this entire movement is pushing the party so far left.

And they're not saying, yeah, we can all get along and we may disagree on several things. They fundamentally do not believe the same things. And that's when you start to see people like Bill Maher, who you never would have thought we would be playing positive clips from someone like Bill Maher on this show, but we do continue because he is seeing what's happening within his own party and he is not a conservative guy. But this is bite 12 from Bill Maher on his show talking about this insurgency within his party. Let's hear from him.

Bill Maher: I'm not living in Communist America. I mean, I know the talking point is like, well, it's not communism, it's socialism. Okay, I've read the quotes from the DSA platform, from their own mouths. Don't tell me I'm not seeing what I am seeing.

Will Haines: And once again, that's because you are reading, and he is reading, one, the quotes they're saying where they're saying let's get rid of our Constitution, where they talk about the end of private corporations. It's all government owned. That is not socialism. That is Marxism. That is communism.

Logan Sekulow: I think when you look at someone like Bill Maher or even a lot of even my friends, I will say a lot of my friends who were more traditional Democrats, go look back at campaign ads run by Obama. Look at campaign ads run by Bill Clinton. You will be shocked. You would think these are the most MAGA conservatives you'd ever seen running for president talking about all the top topics that we talk about today because these were not debatable topics. These were common sense topics. Everyone wanted a secure border. Everybody wanted a lot of these things covered and make sure America is safe. Make sure your streets are clean. And it never got to the point of the divide between a Republican and Democrat that they used to make fun of it saying that it was very, very blurry and very small. It was just essentially social issues.

Now the delta cannot be wider at this point, which is going to cause a lot of issues when you actually get to the point of people deciding who's running this country. And look, we're about to have the funeral services, the memorial services for Senator Graham. Senator Graham, like I said, one of the few people, sort of the last of his kind, to where when those tributes started pouring in, they started pouring in from the left and the right of, we may not even have that language. It was this guy we could actually work with. We could actually work together to find what was commonly good for America.

The problem is as when you have a major party on the rise that is not only trying to dismantle, and we say that not loosely, we don't say that jokingly, dismantle the fundamentals of the Constitution. When that is what's growing in America right now, we're going to have some serious problems. I do think, and I said this last week, the hope that we have is a lot of people right now in their late teens and early 20s because they see what's going on.

So us old crusty millennials who are doing a lot of the damage here, let's not lie, we want to pretend we're young people still, though we're in our 40s. We're trying to be cool and hip, Will. But here we are. I want to hear from you. We got another half hour coming up on the show. Phone lines will be open for that half hour, 1-800-684-3110. We'll talk a little bit about some of the work the ACLJ is doing. It's Christmas in July season as July's wrapping up. We got a little bit of Christmas news to cover. I know you can feel it, you can feel the brisk air happening right now. It's so cold outside. I got a wind machine blowing on me. It's because I want to feel like Mariah Carey at Christmas time.

Will Haines: People don't realize there's a fan behind you.

Logan Sekulow: Well, they do now. You just told them. Yeah, you know what, but you made the statement as if everyone knows there's a fan behind me. You see my hair blowing in the wind? Because you're a cool millennial. A cool dude. Okay, rock and roll. 1-800-684-3110. I want you to call in and be a part of the show today. But also more importantly, we are starting to wrap up our Liberty Drive. It's our big month where all donations are matched. Other ACLJ supporters, they're ready to unlock their pledges, and they only can do that if you donate.

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