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Logan Sekulow: On today's show, we talk about the former DOJ attorney who's been indicted for stealing secret Jack Smith files.

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Logan Sekulow: Welcome to Sekulow. Will Haynes is in the studio. Jordan Sekulow is joining us live from Washington, DC. We’ll have an update on why he is there and an interesting ACLJ story.

There’s a lot happening. Some days we wake up and we're like, what are going to be the news stories? Today's one of those stories where we actually had to decide which we were going to lead with because there's two big ones that we are going to address on air today.

We have an update of what happened with that Texas Democrat who essentially said we're going to take the ICE detention centers and turn them into prisons for Zionists. We have an update coming out of some good Democrats who've decided they're not going to take it.

We also are going to discuss this one that is kind of fun. It’s not fun, but of course there's always this silly espionage that's happening when you actually look at the details of this. This is a former DOJ prosecutor who was charged with stealing confidential documents. This is related to the Jack Smith investigation of President Trump. She did it in a way because you think of physical documents, but this was digital. She was trying to hide her tracks clearly.

Will Haynes: Once again, this is a managing assistant US attorney for the Fort Pierce branch of the US Attorney's Office for the Southern District of Florida. Here's the irony here. This individual at the DOJ was stealing sealed documents that were sealed by a judge, government documents, sending them to her personal email account to get them out of the government system, and renaming them to disguise them.

The names are great. But what are the documents she was stealing? It was the Jack Smith report on the classified documents issue. So one, there were a ton of issues with that prosecution because he was the former President. Did he declassify? There were genuine questions of legal merit when it came to that.

Then he was re-elected. Judge Aileen Cannon dismissed the case and also ordered a seal of Jack Smith's report because it was no longer relevant. This individual was stealing a classified report on the mishandling of classified documents. You can't make it up, people.

Logan Sekulow: Some people in the comments are saying, well, aren't we still doing this today? Aren't these digitized? This is a digital stealing. To clarify, this isn't someone sneaking into an office stealing a stack of papers.

Will Haynes: Right. Stole this from the government, renamed the file, and emailed them to herself. Here are the names that she chose, hoping no one would look. In her defense, this was maybe not a bad idea because I don't know if I would have looked at these files either, but they are kind of hilarious. They were chocolate cake recipe.pdf and bundt cake recipe.pdf. I'm telling you though, I may have wanted to know if it is a solid recipe. I would have wanted to see what was going on. If she's famous for bringing in these cakes to office parties, maybe I'd open it up and check.

Logan Sekulow: We also know how even search works now. It searches through the documents, not just the titles. But Jordan, when you hear something like this, it's not that shocking, but it is crazy that this stuff is still going on and still being found.

Jordan Sekulow: This is why it shocks me. It's that much worse when attorneys do this. These aren't just like normal people who don't quite understand maybe the significance of legal documents, whether it was classified or was it just confidential. It was never to see the light of day because the case was dismissed because you cannot bring cases against a sitting President. President Trump got re-elected.

So this attorney is going to be held to a much higher standard and should be because of what they've done here, this crime they have committed. We're going to take your calls and comments on this. Again, we are going to discuss that leading candidate in Texas and what happens when you say, hey, I'm going to round up all the Zionists, put them in jail, and then call them horrible names.

You actually have some Democrats who go, that's enough, we're not going to take it anymore. Maybe that is because they've even seen what happened to Republicans, what happened in Kentucky with Thomas Massie, that you've gone too far. Of course, some of these are obviously ones who have been more supportive of Israel. We're going to discuss that coming up. We also have Jeff Ballabon from ACLJ Jerusalem joining us.

I am in Washington, DC today because we are moving in three of our attorneys here at the office in DC, ones who are on the broadcast regularly, Christy, Olivia, and Nathan, to become members of the Supreme Court Bar, which you do in front of the Supreme Court. You go before the court. I'm the movant, so I introduce them and then they are accepted in. They stand and they take their oath. Now they are members of the Supreme Court Bar.

Interesting to note today, this was not an argument day. Now there's still a lot of people who come in for this just to see the Supreme Court even if it's just in session for 15 or 20 minutes. They are going into conference and they announce sometimes what they're in conference about. They are, from what I was actually the last person to do the last movement today, and that was the last part of the business. Then they go right into conference after that and it's a conference on our CNN case.

They go right behind to their offices to meet together to possibly decide on whether or not to take the case, not take the case, or ask for more information on the case. It’s a unique timing that got set up today. I couldn't plan that.

Logan Sekulow: I want to make sure the people understand the work of the ACLJ so beyond whatever is happening in the news. Sure we're going to cover that for you, we're going to talk about it, we're going to discuss what it looks like. The work of the ACLJ continues. The legal work is so extensive and today, obviously, a good day for many of our ACLJ attorneys getting to become a part of the Supreme Court of the United States. That is the level that your team is working at in Washington, DC.

Jordan Sekulow: It is that reminder too to all those justices seeing those younger ACLJ attorneys that are coming up, seeing me, who I've known a lot of them since I was a kid, doing that and bringing in now a new group. They're going back and discussing one of our cases which is a major case involving New York Times v. Sullivan and the idea of defamation and malice and public officials and who qualifies. Big issues. All of that combined sticks in people's minds. Those visuals do matter and sometimes you have to wonder if there's other things at work here that bring that all together today.

Will Haynes: For some of our audience, you hear about state bars like the bar of Tennessee or the bar of Virginia. What does it specifically mean to be a member of the Supreme Court Bar? That’s not one you hear about as commonly talked about. So maybe just to bring people up to speed, what does it mean? What is the Supreme Court Bar?

Jordan Sekulow: The Supreme Court Bar requires a number of years of practice before joining. You can't join the bar until you have three years of practice. There's a couple of other requirements and then you are able to. You are a direct officer of the court. That would enable you to present not just file cases, but to actually present oral arguments.

Most of us do that after we're working out of law school a handful of years. People don't always do it right away on the third year. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, depending on the kind of legal work they do. Sometimes you're there and there's people who are in their 50s who have just decided they've wanted to join the bar. It also gives you a little bit more access to the cases.

There's a special section. When you've got big cases at the court, there's a special section that if you're a bar member you can sit in, so you don't have to be in the same line that can stretch sometimes overnight. There are benefits to that as well in the big cases. It’s special. It’s a special moment for the families. We had family members come to see this happen and it was pretty cool for me to have our younger team ask me to be their movant today at the Supreme Court.

Logan Sekulow: Great moment. We're going to continue our conversations as well because we know a lot of you are just tuning in right now. Maybe you saw that headline and said, what are we talking about here? What are these Jack Smith files? Again, Jack Smith is someone who I said I'd rather not ever have to speak the name of again, but somehow he just keeps creeping back in because our team can't get enough of Jack Smith news.

Will Haynes: Once again, these things keep happening. I know we've talked about this earlier in the week, actually. I think this comes full circle here because earlier in the week I said I'm also tired of saying deep state. I'm tired of saying James Comey because these things you feel like should be gone. But I want to replay what we led this week with. This is a bite from James Comey on Meet the Press and his call to action to people that work in government, that work in the DOJ, work in the FBI. Here is what he had to say to them.

James Comey: If you're bragging about forcing out career prosecutors and agents because the President doesn't like a lawful investigation they conducted, something is seriously broken at the top. But I have great confidence in the people down below who are just trying to hang on, and I'm urging them: hang on. Two and a half years and then we can rebuild these institutions, but we need good people in those roles. America does.

Will Haynes: I feel like this former DOJ employee is the type of person that James Comey was addressing there, Jordan, trying to say, just wait, two more years and we can change everything that this administration has done to our DOJ and FBI. In reality, as you mentioned, this was an attorney. This was a managing assistant US attorney in Florida that should have known better about what she was doing, but she was stealing government documents.

Jordan Sekulow: They hear these messages from their heroes like Jim Comey and they think like him they can somehow get away with it. Unfortunately, they might not be as cunning. He tried to have other people leak things and all those kind of issues. These individuals are just stealing documents off computers. I mean documents that should have never ever seen the light of day and they knew that, but they think they're doing the right thing and they're trying to make it political.

I think they're trying to send a political signal to their leaders that yes, when there's a political change, I'm the person who is willing to go to bat, I'm willing to make the hard decision. I don't know if they realize that they're going to end up in jail likely because of what they've done. This involves the President of the United States and an investigation that had to be closed because Presidents of the United States cannot be criminally investigated or charged with a crime. These documents and this report never should have seen the light of day. It wasn't even necessarily finalized. We don't know.

Again, he puts out those messages and people go to jail. Remember, Lois Lerner did the same thing. She thought she was getting messages from President Obama and the Obama team to take these actions against members of Congress who were telling the IRS to do that. So she went and directly violated the law by targeting only groups with a specific viewpoint, thinking that it would help her get a better position that was politically appointed in the administration, that she would get some kind of better job or a longer-term job and really impress the political appointees in the Obama-Biden team.

Those people have all gotten in trouble and lost their careers. In this case, she may go to jail because they are taking those messages to heart and really doing what those leaders are saying, what those members of Congress said to do to those groups when it came to the Tea Party and conservative groups, and what Comey talks about when it comes to Donald Trump. It's like normal rules, normal laws don't exist if it's Donald Trump's documents that shouldn't be released.

Logan Sekulow: Once again, this individual faces, I believe, up to 20 years in prison. This was someone who had a career at the DOJ, 62 years old, and she could be facing 20 years in prison, which is close to the rest of your life in prison because of these actions.

I wonder this. Do you think that she was thinking of old-time movies where people would break out of jail and they would smuggle a file in a cake? She was smuggling out of the DOJ a computer file in a cake recipe. I think there's some humor to the method here. Like, oh, this is clever. I think this will be funny in hindsight. I feel like it's just someone who was like, hey, what are they not going to search? Let's be real sneaky. A 60-something-year-old woman, of course she's going to have some cake recipes on her hard drive.

See, that's why I think people would be like, if they're concerned something was taken, they're like, well, while I'm here, while I'm looking at these files that have been sent out, I'm going to check in on the chocolate cake, lemon pound cake style, just to see what's going on. Exactly. While you're there, you've got to look at the cake and see what's going on.

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Logan Sekulow: Welcome back to Sekulow. We are going to take some calls and comments in just a few minutes here. But we did want to also give an update. Yesterday we talked about that person running for Congress in Texas, the leading candidate for the Democrats. She said, I'm sick of the ICE detention centers. So what I'm going to do if I win, I'm going to turn those into prisons for Zionists.

It was in an Instagram post. This almost felt like an official campaign statement. It was on her Instagram. We're going to turn it into a prison for American Zionists and former ICE officers. And then she pretty much declares that, I don't even want to say it on the air because I know there's problems here, but essentially most Zionists are child abusers is what it essentially says in this text.

This is your leading candidate for the Democrats in Texas right now for Congress. This is real. This is what we're actually dealing with in reality. At the same time, you have someone like a Thomas Massie who loses in an epic way in Kentucky and goes out and who does he blame for his rural Kentucky county loss? He blames the Jewish community, blames Israel, and of course everyone laps it up and loves it that's on that side.

But you know who's not? There's actually some Democrats that we have to give some credit to, Jordan. These are people that we have known for decades now who have been our friends in real life and of course, the few Democrats sometimes you can work with in Washington.

Jordan Sekulow: I like how you said friends in real life versus friends just in politics. But yes, Jared Moskowitz, the Congressman. He’s been on our broadcast before. He was actually for DeSantis, the Governor. He was the emergency management director when COVID hit. Originally he was going to be there mostly dealing with things like hurricanes and ended up dealing with COVID. Florida had one of the better programs on that. Remember, they did a lot of things with Publix and got things out very quickly.

He was always willing to do the right thing with whatever the party of a person may be. In this case, Jared has a very personal connection when you start talking about concentration camps because his grandmother's parents were killed in Auschwitz. His grandmother only made it out alive of Germany, which is the only reason he's here in Washington, DC as a Congressman because of a mission that was done by the UK that got about 10,000 Jewish kids out of Germany and kept them from the concentration camps.

I think one of the comments he said in the media that I thought was really clear is that his kids, his Jewish kids in the United States, are never going to a concentration camp. The fact that he has to say that and it's an actual statement that resonates because we're dealing with someone who really did say this and is getting some support for this. But they've also, along with another Democrat Congressman who is Jewish as well and speaks out on these issues, they are willing if this person is to be elected to try and have them expelled.

Will Haynes: Jordan, this is one thing as well that I want to bring up because I love what Josh Gottheimer from New Jersey as well as Jared have said, where they said that every single day if she is elected, they will force a vote to have her expelled from Congress because she does not belong in Congress, does not belong in their party.

But here's the other problem is that Hakeem Jeffries, the leader of the Democrats, is trying to say that she is a Republican plant, that she's being supported by Republicans to try and bring this in. They won't acknowledge what is in their own party.

Jordan Sekulow: No, and we know what's in their own party. Jared's talked about it before. He's talked about it publicly. He's played the voicemails he gets. He talks about it. This again, he happens to represent an area that has a large Jewish population, so he doesn't get it as much from necessarily his constituents as he does from those who are just anti-Semites that are watching cable news or television, follow politics, because he happens to be Jewish and support Israel.

It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or Republican on this issue. A lot of people think it's the anti-Israel thing is a left or right issue. It's now become a really just dangerous issue amongst a lot of people across the political spectrum. This person is not a plant. This is a Republican-leaning district, but not one that's 100% always going to go Republican. It could be close. This is who Democrats nominated. Remember that. Democrats are choosing these candidates to run.

She got the most number of votes for that. There is a runoff in five days. There's still a chance that she can be not getting that. She walked back a bit by saying it's not all Jews, just Zionists that she wants to put in camps, which also includes a lot of Christians. Then it becomes political as well. So she gets to pick who goes to the concentration camp. It's disgusting. The party should kick her out. She should pull herself off the ballot. I mean so many things are wrong with that. I just hope that the voters there in that runoff do the right thing.

Will Haynes: I think one thing to bring up is because you've had this conversation with Congressman Moskowitz. You've seen him on even Bill Maher's show talking about how it's gotten so entrenched in their party. But the Republicans better watch out. I think there is some positive moves of what we saw from like the primary in Kentucky where Thomas Massie, then he showed his true colors that he immediately blamed Israel and the Jews.

I think maybe it's the realization that we're dealing with a lot of bots here. We're dealing with a lot of campaigns that are coming from foreign entities, places that do not want to see the America and Israel connection continue. The proof ends up being at the ballot box.

Jordan Sekulow: Jared has said repeatedly to us as Republicans, he's said right now it's within, but it hasn't taken grasp, it hasn't taken hold. It hasn't become the norm. You still have a chance to cut the cancer out. It hasn't metastasized. It's metastasized in their party. So that's a lot harder fight.

But we still have a chance to, when Massie kind of crossed over the edge from being a libertarian to being a Jew-hater, he loses. He goes out and he proclaims his Jew-hatred and blames Jews like you said, Logan, in a rural Kentucky district. He was beaten by a former Navy SEAL, a guy who really stood up to protect America. He said, oh, you know, he's not even here, he's in Israel. I am so glad those people are gone. They don't represent America and they certainly don't represent the Republican Party. But it gets broader than that, Logan. This is a fight now we know we have to have and it's a really nasty battle on both sides of the aisle and we've got to rout it out. You rout them out by not giving them bigger voices, like not getting them elected and making sure they don't get those offices.

Logan Sekulow: It actually could be a good week to do it. Let's look quickly before we go to break here. Let's actually hear this. This is Representative Moskowitz on Fox News just this morning.

Jared Moskowitz: This is literally wanting to do what the Nazis did in Germany. Let's start rounding up Jews and put them in camps. She doesn't belong in the Democratic Party.

Logan Sekulow: He went on and on and again, of course, they made that a little bit more formal today saying it is time that if this happens, they're going to take care of it. They're going to at least try to push the Democrats to do the right thing here. You never know.

Of course, look, we got a second half-hour coming up. If you want to comment about this, you want to comment about that Jack Smith file stealing, the bundt cake recipes, give me a call at 1-800-684-3110. Have yourself on the air today. We'll get to at least one call in the next segment and then I will take a few calls towards the end of the show. Halfway through, we're going to go to Jeff Ballabon, who runs ACLJ Jerusalem, with an update from Israel.

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