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Logan Sekulow: On today's show, we're covering Massie becoming the latest GOP candidate to fall in the primary. Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever. This is Sekulow. We want to hear from you. Share and post your comments or call 1-800-684-3110. And now your host, Logan Sekulow.

Welcome back to Sekulow. Had a day off yesterday. Will took over. I heard you did good things.

Will: Who told you that?

Logan Sekulow: Your dad.

Will: Well, your dad was very excited.

Logan Sekulow: Your dad was very excited. I think I kind of gave him a shout-out in it, so I think that's why he shared it. Hopefully, he's listening today. He's like, oh no, Logan's leading. I'm not going to do it. So maybe he'll give us another shout-out, but I appreciate it.

Look, there is a lot of news happening. The big one, Jordan's here by the way too. Will's here and Rick Grenell is going to be joining us a little bit later. And the big one that happened overnight, not even overnight, I guess in the early hours. It was actually a pretty early call as celebrating your early as I could, is that Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky, who has been a bit of an issue for 14 years, is finally gone as he lost his primary battle.

Again, ousting an incumbent is never easy, but ousted with a big margin early. I mean, it was over. And the way Thomas Massie went out is exactly the Thomas Massie I want people to remember. An anti-Semite, anti-Jew, anti-Israel member of Congress.

Jordan: He doesn't have that Rand Paul view of no foreign aid. It's specifically targeted at Jews and he couldn't help himself to try and blame Israel for his defeat last night. I don't think the Jewish vote in his district is enough to persuade, it is under one percent. It's not going to gain eight points for him.

And so the idea that he went after a former US Navy SEAL and played the dual loyalty card against a US Navy SEAL of all things. That to me says it all about who Thomas Massie really is. He's joined up with that Fuentes, Tucker world. And what we're seeing is that when it comes down to actual races, the Republicans in red states who elected Donald Trump are not going to keep supporting Republicans who vote against everything Donald Trump stands for and what he ran on doing.

Logan Sekulow: And of course, President Trump did endorse the other candidate and was pretty honest and open about his thoughts on Representative Massie and his relationship. He voted with Republicans, I think 90% of the time.

Jordan: This is what the Democrats should have done 10 years ago. They should have started running candidates against these radicals that scare people away from voting for them, like the Omars, like the Tlaibs, because they come and they preach this hate. They've been totally infected. If the Republican Party continues to do this and lets it be known that we will make sure you do not have your seat even if you've been there 14 years, we'll take the resources to beat you. We're not going to have anti-Semites in our party throwing around those kinds of language. I think that is a way the Republican Party really resets and owns that issue again. If you care about Israel, if you care about the Jewish people even here in the United States, the anti-Semitism, there's really only one choice right now.

Logan Sekulow: Yeah, my social media definitely exploded on both sides, by the way. I saw a lot of hate. Of course, a lot of the hate came immediately following, and a lot of it had to do with this comment that was made from Thomas Massie. Again, this is his concession speech. This is when he walked up saying he needed a minute. Why did he feel like he needed a minute? Here is Thomas Massie last night conceding.

Thomas Massie: I would have come out sooner, but I had to call my opponent and concede and it took a while to find Ed Gallrein in Tel Aviv.

Logan Sekulow: Again, that's his line. That's his big line. It took me a while to find Ed Gallrein in Tel Aviv, saying that this again, decorated, was he a Marine?

Jordan: He was a Navy SEAL. On top of that, he also is from a generational farming family in Kentucky.

Logan Sekulow: But of course, when you lose, though, who do you got to blame? You got to blame the Jews. That's what you learn from Thomas Massie. You can't just lose because you're not good at this game. What do you think about this in the future, heading in towards primary season for this side of the conservative base who maybe has been rallying pretty strong their anti-Israel statements, and of course, what comes out ends up being a very anti-Semitic group? But what do you think? Do you think this shows signs that maybe that crowd is not as big as social media wants to think it is? I want to hear from you. 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110 to be a part of the show today. Again, I'm sure there's some listeners who feel differently, and that's okay. Call us. As long as you're respectful, we'll hear your voice. That's at 1-800-684-3110. We'll be right back.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. We got to reset a little bit because a lot of you are just joining us right now. Most of you tuned in last night, maybe opened up your social media feed and saw that Representative Thomas Massie had been ousted in the primary. And maybe there are groups of people who are unfamiliar with who this is. I mean, I assume most of our listeners, most of our viewers, if you're this plugged in, you know who he is. You've seen it. You've seen your friends' reaction to him on social media throughout the years.

But maybe we need to back it up a little bit and give people a history of not just his most recent attacks, you'd say, on people who support Israel, Jewish people, Zionists, if you will. That has also played into a pretty long record of who he is as a representative.

Jordan: And here's kind of the problem even with the libertarian mindset that you see. You're in Kentucky, known for that. Right. I mean, you have Rand Paul who is a Republican senator, but he is much more libertarian in some of the philosophy. Obviously his father also was a Republican from Texas, congressman Ron Paul, but much more libertarian in the philosophy, but played within the party to get elected, really, because it's very difficult for third-party candidates to get elected.

Thomas Massie was somewhat of that within there, kind of this libertarian off-the-grid lifestyle that he led. He had built his own home in Kentucky. It ran off solar power and a recycled Tesla battery. This kind of do-it-yourself ethic that kind of plays well in Kentucky.

The problem is, is that you look at the philosophy that comes out of a lot of this libertarian mindset. And there are a lot of merits to it. There's a lot of kind of conservative tie-over. Here's the problem with the modern-day libertarian movement. As much as they would like to say they are not, when push comes to shove, it always ends up being anti-Semitic. It isn't about all foreign aid and all dollars going out the door. It always comes back to Israel. It always comes back to the dual loyalty lie.

It comes back to the, oh, you're just doing what Israel tells you to do. The president's going to war. You're sending Americans to die for Israel. All of those tropes and lines get recycled. And even there last night, he couldn't lose graciously. Thomas Massie said the quiet part out loud about what he would protest to saying, no, I just I'm a libertarian. I'm just America first. I'm in this MAGA world. The first thing he says when he takes the stage, when he loses to a farmer, Kentuckian, Navy SEAL is I couldn't reach him because he was in Tel Aviv, inferring that he lost only because of Jews wanting him to not win.

Logan Sekulow: And when I watched it, what is interesting is his expression. He almost seems relieved. He almost seems excited to lose. He goes up and starts taking selfies, a selfie video, very pumped up. Maybe he sees his career as a podcaster, maybe he sees his career going somewhere else. I mean, I'm not joking with that saying, oh, now I'm out of this job.

Jordan: He said, I'm free now. He literally said that. To now say what he wants and he's built quite a base. I don't think he would have raised 20 million dollars if he really wanted to lose.

Logan Sekulow: That's true. I don't think he wanted to lose, but it did feel like there was some sort of try to put a spin on it. And then you look towards what's happening. Look, I think what's odd about this is always Tel Aviv. It's always Israel in general. Israel itself, and I'm sure we'll have an ACLJ Jerusalem representative on later this week or next week. Israel itself is in the process of election season.

And guess what? I know this is like hard to believe because the way you've been presented with Israel. There are a lot of liberals in Israel, and the conservatives are pretty liberal in Israel. But there is a huge group that doesn't care for Netanyahu and the government just like there's a huge group here that doesn't care for President Trump or a group that didn't care for President Biden. It's a pretty politically split country. But that is not what they want you to believe. They want you to believe that Israel is an all-encompassing phrase which only points to what you'd consider or what they'd consider evil.

Jordan: Yes. I mean, and again, that's what he wanted to be known for. He knew if he said something like this, it would be talked about. To his brand, I guess, is that he's going to go Nick Fuentes style and Tucker Carlson. I mean, that was almost more than what I think Tucker Carlson would say about a former Navy SEAL directly so much. I mean, he might in theory say we know who this was really funded by, but to say that that Navy SEAL was somehow in Tel Aviv on election night. To me, one, it's that dual loyalty trope. Not even against a Jewish former member of the military, but just because he happens to be a supporter of Israel, someone who has served in our armed forces.

Well, a lot of people who have served in our armed forces are supporters of Israel because they've worked closely with the Israeli military and hand in hand in creating systems to protect not just Israel like the Iron Dome and David's Sling, but also those are used to protect our troops around the world. So, when you're talking about go after Israel this way, what about all the other countries we're in that we're able to kind of base out of Israel to keep our troops safe and to be the leader of the world?

Logan Sekulow: Yeah. I want to take this call because it's coming in from the state of Kentucky. Let's go to Buck, represented in Kentucky. Go ahead. Watching on Rumble. Buck, are you there?

Buck: Hi guys. Yes, I'm here. Can you hear me?

Logan Sekulow: We got you. Go ahead.

Buck: Great. Good riddance to Mr. Massie. I'm having a big old barbecue because like President Trump, I'm a pedophile.

Logan Sekulow: Okay. All right. Well, I kind of, you know, I had a feeling. You always do. I had a feeling the guy's name was Buck and I thought that sounds too good to be true. I have a feeling he told a tall tale to the call screener. This is what the Massie people say in my comments that I wrote and retweets some from Ted Cruz. And they're all kind of in jest, really, because of what he said and discussed what he said. And the hate back was exactly that.

Well, here's the thing. And I think we should play this from here's the good news guys. The hate back is that thing, but when it came down to actually voting, they're not a big enough constituency to win. That's what I'm saying. They're loud, they call in, that kind of thing happens, but Massie went over the line this time.

Here's what we should play because this is honestly and you even saw it on Saturday Night Live on Saturday. They are normalizing that line that the slander against the president trying to tie him to Jeffrey Epstein when none of these people cared about that until President Trump was re-elected. It was Republicans saying release these files and things during the Biden administration and they did nothing. This is Representative Ro Khanna. Not someone that conservatives should align with politically, ideologically. This is bite three of what he said last night after the loss of Thomas Massie that feeds into callers like that. It feeds into dangerous things that get platformed by like SNL.

And what you hear from people like someone who tried to do an attack on the president at the White House Correspondents' Dinner because they are perpetuating this lie that makes people feel like it's okay to choose violence against a sitting President of the United States. It's reckless and dangerous and it gets people like whatever his name was actually calling from allegedly Kentucky. And then you hear this. This is what Ro Khanna said last night, bite three.

Ro Khanna: My good friend Thomas Massie lost tonight. I'm angered by the smears on his character. He lost because he had the guts to take on the Epstein class. He lost because he had the guts to stand up against the war in Iran. He worked with me to pass the most consequential and popular piece of bipartisan legislation in recent history in the Epstein Transparency Act. Many young voters under 50 voted for him. He was winning them by over 30 points. And today I say you may not have a home in the Trump coalition, but there is a new generation of populist Democrats and we welcome you to help us change this country, change the rotten system and have a politics that puts the working class ahead of the Epstein class.

Jordan: Here's what I want to say to people like Ro Khanna. One, you're pushing this narrative trying to tie the president to Jeffrey Epstein and it's worked for you politically. It's disgusting, but it's worked for you. When you sit here and you say, you know, we're trying to change the rotten system, we're trying to help change this country.

This is the same party that has gone after every single thing DOGE did at the beginning of the administration trying to root out waste, fraud, and abuse. You see in your state of California how much fraud has gone on stealing from those very working-class families that you say you put ahead of the quote-unquote Epstein class. You're lying to the American people because you would have taken care of things at home in California, put pressure on the state officials there to root out fraud. Instead, you have voted for things that expand the ability for people to steal taxpayer dollars from the working-class people that pay into our tax system every single day.

So don't get around this saying that we're fighting for the working class. No, the Democrat Party and the leftists like you put forward things that do nothing but make it easier, bigger loopholes, expansion of Medicaid through Obamacare. These things that made it so much easier for hundreds and hundreds of millions and billions of dollars to be stolen from taxpayers. So don't believe these words from people like Ro Khanna.

Logan Sekulow: Yeah, we got a lot of calls coming in. We're going to take them in the next few segments. So give me a call at 1-800-684-3110. There was also some other primaries that are happening. If you want to talk about some anti-Israel moments or anti-Semitic moments that are happening, man, there are some potential candidates out there that got a little wild. Maybe they're talking about, I don't know, some old-school methods that maybe are disgusting and how to take care of the Jewish people in their state.

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Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. 1-800-684-3110. I want to kick things off with some phone calls. Hopefully, this inspires you to call in as well. Let's go to Bob in Florida. Bob, go ahead.

Bob: Gentlemen, about the Massie ousting last night. Let me say this as far as, yes, he was a fly in the ointment and yes, he enjoyed the fact that he was holding things back with that libertarian mindset. But our president, who is supposed to be the deal-maker in chief, seems to have adopted a my-way-or-the-highway. I understand if you can't get some guys, but Massie agreed with him on certain things.

I mean, you're blowing up the deficit with certain, the big beautiful America bill that was passed and I think it stems from the fact that when you don't follow through on some of the DOGE cuts that were clearly identified, you gave your party proof that what we have believed has been accurate and we found waste, fraud, and abuse, but it was put on the side. You put a Pam Bondi in who says all the right things but comes across as angry Barbie at times. And after a year of an administration...

Jordan: Because if you're going to be AG, I don't care if you're a man or a woman, you've got to be tough and Pam's tough and a personal friend of mine and really tough. And by the way, the reason DOGE got put on hold was by federal courts, not President Trump. They're fighting it in federal courts as we speak on a number of different issues.

So those were all brand new ideas that were immediately going to be challenged in court. Everyone knew that. So you found the waste, you found the fraud, you found the abuse, then you start acting on it, then they sue you, and you've got to go through the court process. But the idea again that this team is not dedicated and hasn't been dedicated, I mean, it is again the accomplishments and what has been done in a year or so.

And now we're also seeing the strength still of President Trump. A lot of the left thought his endorsements weren't going to matter anymore. He was going to be turning on him. Instead, the people who lost were the people who turned on, voted against Donald Trump in the primary.

Well, and I think this points to also, Bob, what you were talking about is that it wasn't even the issues with Thomas Massie of being libertarian that are, like, once again, bringing down fiscal conservatism. That's, you know, the core of old-school conservatism. President Trump has a different style than that and that's shifted things in the Republican Party to some degree over the last decade, really.

But when you think about even what we led with, with that his comment that I had to call Tel Aviv. It's not just about foreign aid. It's not just about the waste around the world. It is specifically targeted towards Israel. It is specifically saying that President Trump is doing the bidding of Israel, fighting Israel's war against Iran.

It takes and plays into every horrible trope, horrible stereotype and conspiracy theory that is saying that the US government is controlled by Israel and by Jews. That is a generational anti-Semitic trope that is rearing its ugly head within the conservative space now. I say this loosely, conservative, because he could have just said, I lost a campaign.

But no, it wasn't his fault that people in his district had to basically choose between him and the president, because that district also voted for President Trump and they picked someone that was more in line with the president last night. And so it wasn't his fault. It wasn't even saying, clearly my district's changed or going in a different direction. It was AIPAC, it was Israel, it was nothing to do with the merits of his Navy SEAL opponent. It only was the fault of Israelis and a foreign power and election interference.

I thought we were done with having to worry about the hoaxes of foreign interference in our elections that are getting people elected or unelected. But that's what he's going back to. And so you can even look at Thomas Massie and agree with maybe some of his fiscal policy or things he has said about that.

Logan Sekulow: Sure, a lot of it lines up.

Jordan: But you're not coming from, and I hope, Bob, you're not coming from the same place that he is. Because when he decides to say the quiet part out loud, it's anti-Semitism. All right, let's go ahead and we'll take one more call. Look, this is on the other side a bit more. Look, I think a lot, I knew we would have people who wanted to push back a little bit and I think that's totally fine. Stay respectful and you can stay on the air. Dan in Maryland, go ahead.

Dan: Hi. Yeah, well, DNA tests came back 20% Ashkenazi. So yeah, my father's father is Jewish. And on his side, they're, you know, going over to Israel every other year, planting trees with Hadassah. And but I remember when Rabbi Meir Kahane said the best thing that the US can do for Israel is to cut them off. They're an aid junkie. I understand the libertarian mindset. I am Zionist, but there are other ways to support Israel than with the US taxpayer dollar.

Logan Sekulow: I think that's a different point of view and look, you actually had Benjamin Netanyahu just this past week, he was on with Major Garrett and said, what do you think? He said, I want Israel to be completely not connected financially to America so that doesn't happen. And he wants to have happen in the next decade, which by the way, may sound like a long time, but when you have been reliant on billions of dollars that come in, that is not a short sunset.

Jordan: I think we forget, Dan, that we test our equipment there. There's a lot. So the Iron Dome was developed there to see if it worked. Then David's Sling, which was more mobile, to see if we could utilize it to protect our troops out in these outpost areas that we have.

And so Israel, because of its nature of the constant incoming attacks, we're able to use our newest technology in real warfare and then perfect it for our US troops who are serving abroad. So, is that sending money to Israel? Of course, because they're building it and running it. But we are benefiting from those kind of expenditures.

So if you start taking those expenditures out, then the money is not that big. To test our own equipment, which is what you see around the world. What do you think China does and Russia does? They send it to other countries that they...

Logan Sekulow: But we were sending a lot of money to a lot of places.

Jordan: And here's what we also have to be very, very clear on. When we send, when they appropriate money to go to Israel for their defense aid, that isn't money that many other places in the world just get spent probably sometimes to our enemies. Israel is then buying from US defense contractors.

So when people try to say we're just giving all this money to Israel, what in reality is, and you could maybe be against this, is a subsidy of our defense industry. Money goes to Israel and then goes right back and buys from Northrop, from Boeing, from Lockheed. All of those defense contractors are who Israel is buying from. So in reality, it's an indirect payment to the American companies for American munitions.

So you may be against that. You may say, I don't want a subsidy of our defense industry. That's a different thing. And you could be against the defense lobby. But when people don't realize and call it what it is and instead say it's just Israel, it's just Jews, it's just this and that, they're buying into the anti-Semitism and not the reality of even how this is working. So be clear. It's not your taxpayer dollars going to Israel and disappearing. It's a roundabout way to subsidize the defense industry here in the United States.

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