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Logan Sekulow: Welcome to Sekulow wrapping up this week strong. You want to stay tuned for this show and I want you to be a part of it. Give me a call at 1-800-684-3110. We are live. It is Friday, May 15th. Will Haynes is in studio. Again, we're going to take your calls at 1-800-684-3110. Will played me this clip before we came into the studio today with Kamala Harris making a pretty bold statement on what Democrats can do to potentially win the election.

Of course, you could think maybe we need to be more moderate on issues. Maybe there are different ways that we can react. No, it was a no bad ideas summit. When did this happen and why was this happening?

Will Haynes: This was on an activist call titled the "Win with Black Women" call. This was on the 13th of this month, so it just happened. It was a Zoom call where the politician is on there giving this rallying moment. They may have other principals, and a lot of people can tune in and watch. They're trying to get people energized both for their policies and their ideas, but to motivate them to ultimately vote for their ideas and their platform.

Logan Sekulow: Of course, Kamala Harris, former Vice President of the United States and former presidential candidate, is now clearly starting to at least put in place—and she has certainly not denied it—the idea of running for president once again. She has said she hasn't made an official decision yet, but she is certainly starting to dip her toe into the idea of running for president once again, maybe with actually a little bit more lead time. Maybe she thinks she could do better. With that, here's what she had to say.

Kamala Harris: Look, this is a moment where there are no bad ideas. A no bad idea brainstorm is what I'd like to call it. In that no bad ideas brainstorm, we talk about what we need to do and think about doing around the Electoral College. We talk about the idea of Supreme Court reform, which includes expanding the Supreme Court. We invite a conversation about multi-member districts.

Logan Sekulow: Let's just break down what she thinks they need to do to potentially win the elections coming up. Not only pack the court but expand the court. This is something, by the way, if President Trump wanted to do right now, he could probably get it done and have the craziest Supreme Court you've ever seen.

Of course, we know that's one of the big key factors of the Supreme Court of the United States. It can be something that is a bit non-partisan because of the way Supreme Court Justices are selected. There are nine, and you're only going to get a couple per presidency that retire. Sometimes you get none; sometimes President Trump got quite a few. It just depends on how the cookie crumbles.

Then you look at the other ideas that are in this, not just Supreme Court reform. We are talking about what we're going to do about the Electoral College. Of course, they are talking about wrapping up the Electoral College and going with a popular vote. But look what happened last time. It does not make a guaranteed win for the Democrats because what happened with Kamala Harris? She lost the Electoral College, but she also lost the popular vote.

Will Haynes: That's right. There's actually more to this. We're going to get into it in the next segment. You're not going to want to miss it. But I love how she leads off with the no bad idea brainstorm and then she goes on to only list bad ideas. This is where we're at. When you're at a moment where a political movement thinks there's no way we can win on the substance, we have to come up with tricks.

We have to find ways to win that are outside the scope of how the game is played. There's a rulebook to this game. It's called the Constitution of the United States. Just deciding to move things around and change the rules because you aren't able to win on your ideas and your own merit, that is not a good idea, contrary to this no bad idea brainstorm by the former Vice President of the United States.

Logan Sekulow: Phone lines are open for you. What do you think? 1-800-684-3110 to have your voice heard on the air today. If you're watching on social media, I'm going to ask you to like, comment, and get involved. When you see something like Harris getting involved, people may think this is a rerun from four years ago. What are we talking about here? But of course, no, this is the truth and the reality we are living in. With that though, we're going to continue this conversation and I do want to hear from you.

At least now it's a little bit out in the open, these conversations where you have the ideas of how we can get involved. We have to rig the system. We have to change the way things run. We have to not only redistrict this map, how about we add to the Supreme Court? How about we add some restrictions to the Supreme Court? How about we add D.C. and Puerto Rico as states?

These are all strategic moves. Maybe you can give it to her a little bit and say she's being honest. She's saying what she thinks needs to get done. She said this was a no bad ideas call and built off of it. The thing is, a lot of these are old ideas. They're not necessarily new ideas. These are old ideas that most of the American people on both sides have shut down because they go, "You know what, there is a difference between playing dirty and still playing fair a little bit."

Of course, there is, at the end of the day, changing the Constitution to fit what you think could happen. We're talking about election integrity this week. We have that petition you can sign for election integrity. This is what we're talking about because I see some of you in the comments saying, "Right now, shouldn't we be doing this? Shouldn't we be expanding the court?" Then it just becomes this endless cycle.

Will Haynes: Right. Once again, that is something that we have been against for a long time. The fact as well that she goes through this entire list starting off with the Electoral College—the way that you are elected president, something she failed to do recently—saying, "I didn't win, so we've got to have a conversation about changing this." That is principally from the Constitution of the United States. That is how the president is elected.

You even see, though, this isn't a hypothetical of her saying let's have this conversation. You see that states are trying to do an end-run around the Constitution currently. There's a popular vote interstate pact that has been going on for years. They just added another state, Virginia, because they had the new Democratic governor.

Their entire goal is saying we're going to come together and decide how we send our Electoral College votes based off of, if we get enough, the popular vote. We're going to completely disenfranchise our entire state in how they vote and say we're going to look at the entire country if we can get enough. If they can get 270 Electoral College votes—and they're over 200, folks—they're going to completely subvert the Constitution. That is happening in real-time. It's not talked about enough.

Logan Sekulow: It's not behind closed doors. This is all happening out and about. This is something that the state legislatures, especially in blue states or purple states, are pushing forward. It gets signed and they add their name to this list. It continues to grow. That's a top priority for Kamala Harris and her no bad ideas.

This entire discussion isn't shocking because we know it's how they operate, but it is shocking how brazenly and openly they're saying, "Listen, we can't win." Her entire book was an excuse because it was like I didn't have enough time to win. Now she's trying to show herself as the leader of the party again. She clearly wants to run for president again.

A lot of people are having these types of calls because of the midterms and saying, "Listen, we know our ideas aren't going to get us elected." It's always an excuse. Maybe you should self-examine. Maybe you should realize all of the things that you were pushing are why you were not elected president. Instead, it's like, "Clearly, it's not us. Clearly, it's the Constitution that's the problem. Clearly, it's the rules of the game. Clearly, we need to have multi-member districts."

That's where in a state, you're represented by a few people. You're trying to completely change the fabric of what the founders put forward as our country. There are ways to change the Constitution: the constitutional amendment process. They know they won't win there, so they're trying to come up with ways to legislatively or sneakily go around and change the entire rules of the game.

She even says further in a later bite, "We have to neutralize these red states from cheating, including blue states expanding their maps." So if one side does it, it's cheating, and the only way to fight cheating is with more cheating? It's so nonsensical. We know that this has been a thing that people complain about with her, that she doesn't make sense, but she's sitting there and she's a powerful person pushing these ideas.

And it's sadly the case in general that even if you say one side is cheating and then we need to do it ourselves, that's actually a bipartisan thing that people do. Morals go out the window when it comes to making sure you're securing your election. It's sad on both sides. I'm not saying this is a Democrat versus Republican thing, but now it's done out in the open. It's done clear as day, saying we need to do these things. We need to pack the court. We need to expand the court.

We need all of these new plans to really change the fabric of the United States of America. When you start doing that, every election cycle we make these big sweeping changes. We decide that this meant this for 100 years, but now it doesn't. Impeachment was this very specific issue that we know is very limited; all of a sudden impeachment becomes something trivialized.

All of these moments, even the filibuster, all these things that they bring up to end, a lot of them go back to what? Simply trying to secure more votes to continue themselves in power. It has nothing to do with the American people or the betterment of the American people. It has to do with keeping their jobs and keeping money flowing in to their perspective parties.

Will Haynes: Once again, she led off calling this a no bad idea brainstorm and talked about talking about expanding the Supreme Court. Here's how far we are from a world where the Democrat Party still focused on the Constitution and respected the tradition of the United States. This is a bite. This is from not too long ago with someone that is a hero of the left. This is with Ruth Bader Ginsburg and here is the kind of idea she thought expanding the Supreme Court was.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg: What does concern you? If you're not worried about the term limits, what are you worried about? Well, you mentioned adding the number, changing the number of justices. Yes, there is no fixed number in the Constitution. So this court has had as few as five, as many as ten. Nine seems to be a good number and it's been that way for a long time.

I have heard that there are some people on the Democratic side who would like to increase the number of judges. I think that was a bad idea when President Franklin Delano Roosevelt tried to pack the court.

Logan Sekulow: Right there, one of the heroes of the left, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the late justice on the Supreme Court, calling it explicitly a bad idea when Franklin Delano Roosevelt tried to pack the court. Now, I know that most of our audience does not even love the philosophy and jurisprudence of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, but she was speaking truth about this. They can change the number legislative of people on the Supreme Court, but even there, showing the wisdom of this is the number we need to be at.

It's a bad idea to make the court political by just expanding it to get what you want. When you have this complete difference, it would no longer be a branch that's an independent branch. It would just be another way the current administration can get something done. If you take the Supreme Court and if each time you can wipe it clean and add in your nine justices or ten justices or twenty justices or four, it doesn't matter what that number is. If it becomes just another arm of the administration, we are in bad shape.

That is something that we cannot have because you at least want some kind of balance in America. That's why today we just started a brand-new petition based off of this issue. Go to aclj.org/sign because this is a new petition to stop the left's attempt to destroy the Constitution. It is there in the words they speak. They do not respect the foundational documents of this country.

We're going into the 250th anniversary this year. America's about to have a big birthday. We've lasted this long. You remember the famous Benjamin Franklin quote: "It's a Republic, madam, if you can keep it." That's what we're fighting here at the ACLJ. That is why the work of the ACLJ is so important. There may be less battles with the administration over the Constitution right now because it's a friendly-to-the-Constitution administration.

But we know they're coming. We know that this is the plain English plot from those that want to tear down the constitutional norms of this country. They're strategizing it, not behind closed doors. We know they've done that for a long time. They're strategizing it on public Zoom calls. No idea is a bad idea. That's scary, frankly, that no idea is a bad idea when it comes to how they can win.

You never been to one of those where the teacher said that? Well, you know what, I always heard bad ideas. If you have to preface it that there's no bad ideas, you know what you're guaranteed to get? A lot of bad ideas pretty early in the discussion.

Will Haynes: Even if they were just made to troll the teacher. Right. Do you think that Kamala Harris is just trolling the Democrat Party with expansion of the Supreme Court and getting rid of the Electoral College? I don't think so.

Logan Sekulow: I think she's doing whatever she can to get herself relevant again for a presidential run. What do you think? We're going to also take things to China here in the next segment. Talk about what's going on there, so be a part of the show. 1-800-684-3110. I'll be honest with you, we got a lot of lines open today. Maybe it's Friday, you don't want to call? You don't want to get engaged? Come on, give us a call. 1-800-684-3110. We got a bunch of lines open for you and I want to hear from you. Once again, 1-800-684-3110. You can get involved with the ACLJ over at aclj.org. We'll be back in just a minute.

Welcome back to Sekulow. We told people to call in, and boy did they. The phone lines are completely jammed right now. 1-800-684-3110. At least nice to know someone's listening. Sometimes it feels like you can be talking to a void when they don't call in. But now we got a whole—at least know six people are listening.

Will Haynes: That's 100% conversion rate from we had zero calls to every line.

Logan Sekulow: There's two of us here. I can count another five or six in there. We got about 15 listeners right now. We know for sure. Solid. Do we count ourselves? Yeah, I did. I like that. Smart. Might as well. We're humans.

All right, we're going to keep this conversation rolling. We do have some updates about what's going on also in China. We'll take some of that, give you a little bit of an update of that a little bit later in this segment. Let's go ahead and take a call though. Let's go to Warren on line two. Warren's listening on the radio. Go ahead, Warren.

Warren: Thanks, guys. So appreciate you and all you do. Couldn't have open phone lines, but listening to your pastor friend and looking at all of this stuff going on, we have to understand that they want to destroy the country and bring in socialism and communism. They're so desperate for power they will pull out all stops: cheating, packing the court, just to bring about their agenda which is so terrible for America. People need to wake up.

Logan Sekulow: Well, Warren, we talked about it earlier in the week. I called it the zero-sum game that the left is playing now where it's no longer around the central ideas of the American dream, the Constitution. These issues are no longer what the two parties at least are working towards together. It is a zero-sum game for the left at this point. I agree, and I do want to say there are many on the right that feel that way as well. It has become very much win at all costs.

Now, I think here's another layer to this and it's probably going to frighten people a little bit, politically frighten them, because Kamala Harris is trying to say there are no bad ideas. Help me get there, right? This is at the same time an Atlas Intel poll came out about potential nominees for the Democrats in the next election cycle, 2028. Kamala Harris only has 12.9% of backing from the respondents.

Will Haynes: By the way, first let's pause there though because that's a little refreshing, the fact that they maybe learned and said, "You know what, she can't be the one that we're pushing forward out here as our leading candidate."

Logan Sekulow: All right, so then who ranks above her in this poll of who people would support to be the nominee for the Democrats in 2028? With 21.2% is Governor Gavin Newsom. Not surprising. I take back everything I just said. Not surprising, he's obviously been on a massive PR tour trying to build that. It is surprising if you listen or watch anything he's ever done ever in the history of time.

Except for even though he says nothing—like he's devoid of substance—at least he says it well, right? He's very savvy. I don't know. Yeah, if Harvey Dent is very savvy. Okay, well let's see who else is above him: the former Secretary of Transportation Pete Buttigieg with 22.4%. At least he seems like a likable guy, I guess. But the fact—okay, now you're for Mayor Pete who had major disasters and you're like, "At least he's likable"? No, I'm saying of the two, if I had to choose between Gavin Newsom and Pete Buttigieg, I don't want to vote for either, but at least Pete doesn't feel like he's secretly in the back just going, "Hehe, crime lord."

Here we go though, because guess who is the frontrunner for the Democrats in the 2028 primary? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez with 26% of respondents saying they would vote for her in the primary. So the frontrunner for 2028 is AOC for the Democrats. Does it surprise you now at all—not that it should have anyways—why there are no bad ideas for Kamala Harris? She's afraid of being irrelevant. She lost the presidency.

She blamed it on not having enough time and that Joe Biden, who brought her on the ticket, didn't leave enough time to win because he wouldn't drop out. He wouldn't do the right thing for her and drop out of the party race. Instead, she only had a few hundred and some odd days to try and win. She wants round two. She wants a rematch. It won't be against President Trump this time, being term-limited, but she's running fourth right now.

Look, I tell you, I think that if you really look back in history for the Democrats, I think that move there at the last minute is going to be one of the ones they look back and go, "Yeah, we made a strategically wrong move." I think they probably made a right move in the terms of—do I think Joe Biden was up for leading the free world for another four years? No, I don't. So it's not that.

But in terms of just winning elections, I actually think you would have had a much closer election. I still think President Trump would have taken the day, but I think you would have had a much closer election than what ended up being the almost landslide victory taking all the swing states, the popular vote, and the Electoral College. I don't know if that happens if you have an incumbent Joe Biden against President Trump.

But you have this manipulation and this control specifically within this party, I feel like, where even the leadership doesn't get the final say. That's right. And really it's because it's the party bosses who are getting the final say. Not the President of the United States did not have the final say in his own reelection when Joe Biden was forced out by the likes of Nancy Pelosi, one of his close political allies for the entirety of his career, forced him out publicly.

It's no different than the mayor of Altadena or whatever was the mayor of Arcadia, California, had an overlord. It happened to be the Chinese Communist Party, not a political boss within the Democrat Party. Similar. Very similar policy-wise. They—see, I don't think they are having open phone calls though in China. Maybe we could ask the president or someone that's just coming back from there. Do you think they're having open phone calls saying no idea is a bad idea?

I don't see that happening. Xi Jinping's finally—he's like, "I'm good. I'm just keeping control." He's like, "There's a lot of bad ideas." Phone lines are open for you. We did lose a few there, so give me a call. 1-800-684-3110. They've opened up.

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