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Logan Sekulow: On today's show, we've got a new update on a massive Intel review that follows the whistleblower's bombshell report. Keeping you informed and engaged now more than ever, this is Sekulow.

And now your host, Logan Sekulow. Welcome to Sekulow. We have a packed show. Mike Pompeo's going to be joining us today. We also have an update. It is ACLJ Law and Justice Week here as we have all donations effectively doubled because of amazing donors ready to unlock any donation made. They're ready to unlock their pledge to double the donation, which is really amazing right now.

But we're able to do that because we also want to showcase our legal work. So a little bit later in the broadcast, you're going to see some of the work we've been doing against your favorite, CNN. So stay tuned for that. Again, Mike Pompeo will be joining us in a few segments. I want to hear from you at 1-800-684-3110.

Now, all of the topics today actually, the main topic ties back to the topic that we had yesterday. Typically, we try to mix things up, don't try to give you the same type of topic each and every day. But, Will, there is a pretty big update to what came out of that whistleblower claim and that report that came out yesterday from Tulsi Gabbard.

Will: That's right. So what we're seeing now is that the current Inspector General of the intelligence community, Christopher Fox, is now doing a top-to-bottom review of the whistleblower format and process within the intelligence community. He's also looking at the urgent concern whistleblower complaints that were taken in by his predecessor, the one that we talked about yesterday, Michael Atkinson, who had used this process, ignored safeguards, allowed for things to go forward, and still pushed this complaint that led to the impeachment of President Trump in 2019 after he knew that this individual had lied to him.

After he knew that the DOJ said this isn't something of urgent concern, you haven't done a full investigation of this. The urgent concern complaints are a way to get something to Congress quickly before the Inspector General has time to do a full investigation and review of it. We know that he never looked at the phone call that was supposed to have this impeachable information. Neither the Inspector General nor the whistleblower had firsthand knowledge of that.

So now the Inspector General is not just looking at what was brought to light by the Director of National Intelligence yesterday, but also how many other times this process, this urgent concern process, was potentially abused and weaponized by the Deep State to try and use this process to bring down or stop policy or harm the duly elected President of the United States. So what we are going to see is what is found here.

But this now is unlocking, as you've seen it happen in the FBI, in the Department of Justice, now the intelligence community. When they start to re-examine the way some things were done, they start to find out it wasn't just done once. This was the pattern and the toolkit to get around legitimate safeguards that the Deep State would use to go after President Trump in the first term and also to ensure it's not happening still to this day. But there's a lot to unpack. We'll get to it in the next segment, Logan.

Logan Sekulow: Documents to really dive deep into. So you're not going to want to miss that. We're going to get into it. We're also going to have in the next segments coming up, I believe in two segments, we've got Mike Pompeo and I want to hear from you. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. It can be on any of the topics we've been discussing this week or that you see in the news as well. It doesn't just have to be on this.

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Logan Sekulow: Welcome back to Sekulow. And look, these reports come out from our friends often at Just the News, who do a very extensive research. They actually provide usually all the documentation that they use for their research. So we have no formal connection with them. They just are really great at their jobs and they provide you all the documents.

So much so that I had Will summarize one of them for me because I thought it was just so much. Sometimes John Solomon and the team provide just an extensive amount of content, and even the bullet points are hard for me to read, Will. Okay? These are like bullet point paragraphs here. But this is again, to reset just a bit, this all is in connection to the whistleblower complaints that again came out yesterday from Tulsi Gabbard and now we have a new review that is happening.

Will: That's right. So we have to start basically with what is the Inspector General. Now, these are offices across government. Everyone has not Inspector Gadget. Better inspector. Obviously, yes, much more interesting. Robot arm, spinning hat. Exactly. These are just bureaucratic offices within the executive branch where they conduct oversight internally to ensure that things are done properly.

They do audits of whatever executive branch agency it is. There's an Inspector General in just about every executive branch office, sometimes multiple for different things. Now, this office is within the office of the Director of National Intelligence. So the intelligence community Inspector General specifically oversees not just one intelligence agency branch, whether it be NSA or CIA. This is within the ODNI to oversee all of it.

And they field whistleblower complaints often, depending on what branch it is. Say it's the Social Security Inspector General may say things are going improperly, the misuse of data. Here they receive things about the intelligence community. One big way that this led to the original impeachment of President Trump is this whistleblower process. And what they did is we found out yesterday, Tulsi Gabbard showed how they weaponized the process.

The previous Inspector General, Michael Atkinson, used this urgent concern process where a whistleblower comes forward and says this is of grave national security importance, it needs to expedite the process of getting this to Congress so they can conduct oversight. Now, what everyone has come forward and shown is that they ignored guardrails when they did go to places like the Department of Justice. They said, no, this isn't of urgent concern.

The whistleblower himself did not have firsthand knowledge. It was hearsay. The two witnesses also did not have firsthand knowledge. They had hearsay. One of them said, I didn't even think of it as a quid pro quo until afterwards someone said, did you think about it in these terms? Like, oh, well, yeah, maybe. And then also the one of the other witnesses was a co-author of the intelligence community assessment, which led to the Russia Gate hoax.

So the whole thing was a mess, right? And we find out they're trying to correct this. Michael Atkinson was relieved of his duties as Inspector General during the end of the first presidency of President Trump. But now the new Inspector General here is conducting a review because when you find out that the Deep State did something one way led to a sham impeachment, you also think, hmm, were they using it in other ways?

And here's why it's important as well. Because we are going to be talking about the Dershowitz v. CNN petition we have at the Supreme Court. That all of that case came out of this impeachment. The testimony that CNN lied about and defamed Professor Dershowitz happened during the impeachment trial on the floor of the Senate. That would have never happened, we wouldn't have that case pending before the Supreme Court if it weren't for this abuse of the whistleblower process.

But also, I want to bring this up. We have protected whistleblowers here at the ACLJ. This isn't against whistleblowers. But remember what happened under President Biden. These whistleblowers, they were using the precise process, the way it should be done. They were going through the correct channels. They weren't demanding an urgent concern.

Logan Sekulow: And what happened to them?

Will: Punished. Incredibly punished. And we had to fight for years to restore their reputation and their livelihood and their financials because a lot of times they were being held with no pay but also with the inability to talk, also with the inability to get another job to move their families. It was complete chaos. Now, one of the questions, Will, I have and I see some people asking is how did this information come out? Was it that Tulsi Gabbard was approached by the whistleblower and said, yeah, I admit it. I did wrong. I've been lying the whole time.

What we see here is that what Tulsi Gabbard has been doing since she got into that office is not just the duties of Director of National Intelligence but also a review of all the practices. That's when we saw it's almost she's going linearly through all the abuses we saw. We saw the way that she handled the Russia Gate hoax, looked at the ICA, the intelligence community assessment that kind of launched the Russia Gate hoax that led to Bob Mueller being appointed special counsel.

And we saw what she called a treasonous conspiracy, a years-long coup from people in the intelligence community, former people within the Obama administration that were utilizing the intelligence community to create this hoax and try to hamstring the entire administration. And their ultimate goal was to try and get him out of office with that. When it failed, you see some of the same players then went on to the impeachment issue.

So linearly she's now at this, and they're reviewing how this process started because once again, where did it start? In the intelligence community. Remember Chuck Schumer said, if you go after the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday to get back at you. That was his warning to Donald Trump when he was running for President in 2016. And what happened? They are the ones who continually went after President Trump.

So it is a part of that review. Where did the impeachment begin? What was the genesis of it? It was this whistleblower that had no firsthand knowledge that went to the Inspector General and they concocted a way to get it before Congress. And the big lie was also that he said--

Logan Sekulow: Don't bring back the big lie.

Will: Well, it's a different big lie, not the one you're thinking.

Logan Sekulow: I know, but I still don't want to hear it. It's like I got triggered.

Will: Here is a lie that kind of perpetuated this, is that he told the Inspector General, I have not gone to Congress with this. He or she. Well, we know. The Director of National Intelligence has to still abide by the whistleblower protections that are there. It has been widely reported by the media who this individual was. And when you go and look at this, it shows you.

He told the Inspector General, no, I haven't gotten it to Congress. Because if he had, then they couldn't use this urgent review process because Congress would have already had it. So it would have completely ruined the plan that this whistleblower had. In reality, he was already coordinating with Adam Schiff on the Intelligence Committee in the House so that they could move this forward for impeachment.

Logan Sekulow: This is then now we are kind of at today, which is what happens now. And there was part of us that thought, okay, we're going to know this information, it's great to know what happened, but can there be a follow-up? Can there be anything? And what seems to happen right now is that there is a big review that's going on through the watchdog services.

Will: That's right. So they are now making sure the Inspector General, who is the watchdog over the intelligence community, is making sure as he reviews other whistleblower complaints that went through this urgent concern process. See who else had problems. That's right. So they've already looked at the one, the big one. That was the impeachment urgent concern.

Careful. But as they're going through that, this new Inspector General, Christopher Fox, is saying we need to look at anytime this Inspector General Michael Atkinson used this process of urgent concern to get things before Congress because if he did it not by the book when it came to the impeachment process, how many other ways was the intelligence community weaponized against the executive branch, the very branch that it is a part of, in order to go after Donald Trump or his policies or members of his cabinet? And so that is what has just now launched. And that's important because we need to know how many other times, how many other ways this process was weaponized. It also is putting sunlight on this so it doesn't happen again.

Logan Sekulow: We're going to pivot in the next segment. We're going to have our Senior Counsel for Global Affairs, former Secretary of State Mike Pompeo is going to be joining us. And it's always great to hear from Secretary Pompeo. I know a lot of you have thoughts, but he always has great insights.

And specifically, we need to not forget we are still dealing with the situation in Iran. I mean, I'm not sure where things are in terms of the ceasefire. We know that the negotiations did not go well. But where does that leave us? We're going to talk about that with Secretary Pompeo coming up because, much like the news cycle, it somehow feel like it's kind of disappeared.

It feels like it has not even on the front page anymore that this is happening. Here at Sekulow and at the ACLJ in general, we make sure we keep our finger on the pulse of really what's happening around the world. It's not just by a news cycle again. There's no corporate overlord telling us what to do or what to say, and I really love that.

But that is only because people like you support and are part of the team. You could say you dictate this show in many different ways, obviously, because we want to make sure we're covering the content not only we think you need but that you want to hear about. And we know the war in Iran is something that is on top of mind for a lot of people, whether that's from gas prices or whether that's from our men and women in the military or, of course, the global implications of what could be a regime change. We're going to talk about all that when we get back with Secretary Pompeo.

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Narrator: We've witnessed monumental legal victories for defending the 14th Amendment and protecting our sacred American right to vote, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and standing up for the religious liberty of our kids and seniors. But even with the many historic wins we've achieved, the battle is far from over.

The attacks on our constitutionally protected rights persist. Countless unborn babies remain in jeopardy. And across the globe, innocent Christians are being targeted and killed across this country and around the world. This fight isn't just the ACLJ's. It's all of ours. It belongs to every American who wants to preserve the values and beliefs on which this nation was founded.

None of the victories we've won would have been possible without the unwavering support of ACLJ members and ACLJ champions. It's been an honor to fight for you all these years. Join us in fighting for freedom. Have your donation doubled at aclj.org/freedom.

Let's be honest. There's a lot happening in America right now. It can be overwhelming. Our values, our faith, our freedoms, they're constantly being challenged in courtrooms and on Capitol Hill. You might worry about the country you'll leave behind for your kids and your grandkids. You might feel you have no say over it. But your voice has power. You make a difference.

Right now, when you support the work of the ACLJ, you'll make double the difference. Our legal teams are fighting in courtrooms across the country, defending your rights to speak, to pray, even how to educate your kids. Right now, when you go to aclj.org/difference, your tax-deductible gift will be doubled, dollar for dollar, to defend your most essential liberties.

You're not just supporting the critical work of the ACLJ. You're doubling your impact to defend the rights given to us by the U.S. Constitution. Double the difference. Go to aclj.org/double today.

Logan Sekulow: Welcome back to Sekulow. We are joined by Mike Pompeo, Senior Counsel for Global Affairs here at the ACLJ and, of course, a long-time member of the broadcast team. One of the things that we were just talking about, Secretary Pompeo, is that the war in Iran, I'm watching the news this morning and it's just simply not getting the coverage and I think people are a little unsure of where we even are when it comes to the ceasefire, everything that happened. I feel like we had a lot of news all at once, and then it's sort of fizzled.

Will: That's right. Now, Mr. Secretary, we know that there is this blockade that the President has put in place after the talks. The United States put together this blockade, and I'm just going to read for you. Pakistan is eagerly trying to broker a second round of peace talks. What does it say about our allies who aren't as involved and why is Pakistan actually so significant on this global stage? Again, when this becomes topics of hearing, Pakistan and Iran, it gets kind of blurry for the American people.

Mike Pompeo: Yeah, I get that and your point's very well taken. It has become quiet given the number of soldiers, sailors, airmen, Marines, the huge forces that we've now placed and are continuing to add to throughout the Middle East. And I get why the people are like, what the heck's going on? So I think a reset is useful.

Over the course of the last weeks, the United States and Israel have destroyed massive pieces of the Iranian infrastructure, military infrastructure, taken down good pieces of their navy, their nuclear capability, just a broad range of their capacity to do what they've said they were going to do for decades, destroy the nation of Israel and death to America.

Now the President has made clear that no oil shall flow from an Iranian port or into an Iranian port shall any goods be transited. This will be devastatingly difficult for the Iranian economy. And so the reason I think you're seeing the Pakistani show up on the stage is because I think the Iranians trust them. I'm not sure that the Americans ought to, but that's neither here nor there.

But the Iranians are understanding that this is really they've got to make a big decision. Are they going to try to challenge the American blockade or are they going to surrender on the terms that President Trump has laid out for them? No enrichment, no nuclear capability, no capacity to develop, re-industrialize their missile force. That's the decision that sits in front of the Iranian regime right now, and I think it is a very difficult one.

Logan Sekulow: Even from Pakistan is now to look at China. President Trump is saying that China has agreed to not send weapons to Iran. Again, it's sort of posing the same question. Why is it important for our listeners to understand that this strategy is good to sort of reorder the world's economy? In terms of their working with, when you kind of think of Iran and China, these countries as sometimes having similar, not similar ways of communication, but certainly similar values, if you will.

Mike Pompeo: Yes, very similar values. The Iranians killed 30,000 of their own people, and Xi Jinping, when a virus escaped from his country, allowed 10 million people to pass away from the virus and didn't give a rip. So yes, they have the same value set. They don't value fundamental human life. And maybe that gets to why this is so important.

Imagine that the Iranians prove that the United States and the West aren't prepared to actually defend the straight and keep traffic flowing. The Chinese will surely see this as an unwillingness to do the necessary to keep traffic flowing in Asia. And that's Taiwan and Japan and the entire first island chain. A real risk to the American people.

If you think energy prices are high now and products are expensive now, wait till the Chinese Communist Party has control over massive pieces of international commerce and shipping. Second, make no mistake about it, the regime in Iran is not ever going to change its desire, its will. It's a theocracy that wants to destroy us.

And so the necessary component is to take down their capability to do so. This will reshape the world if we're able to do that. China's foothold in the Middle East was Iran, and the Chinese Communist Party is a massive importer of energy while the United States is a massive exporter of energy.

And so our capacity to make sure that Iran doesn't have control of essentially a fifth of the global energy trade matters an awful lot. It matters too to Kansas farmers who are trying to get fertilizer in their fields. These are really important economic matters to reshape the global order, and President Trump's effort here is the right thing to do at exactly the right time.

Will: One question I had for you. You brought up even the regime, they're never going to change their goals, what their aspirations are. But when you look at even the way some of the media that we typically even kind of trust reporting from, like the Wall Street Journal, that has this headline, it's been making a lot of waves. Iran's regime has changed for the worse.

I mean, until he died in a helicopter crash, the Butcher of Tehran was the president of the regime. When we had the Ayatollah who had ruled with an iron grip, we know the mullahs there. Why is our media trying to cast this group as being worse? I get they're the same, but I don't understand how you can quite say they're worse than the Butcher of Tehran being the president just 18 months ago.

Mike Pompeo: No, you've captured it perfectly. I don't get it either. This is the theory that somehow there's this search for the Holy Grail, the so-called Iranian moderate. It's kind of like a unicorn, they're often spoken about but almost never seen. These folks are no better or no worse than the folks that came before them.

And if the next 50 leaders go away, the 50 behind them will be about the same. This is deeply, culturally, theologically driven. And so they are, I think in many ways, not as bad. And not as bad because they don't believe the same things, but not as bad because their capabilities aren't as good. Make no mistake about it, the Iranian leadership is befuddled today.

I know the media wants to tell you that it doesn't matter that the top 50 Iranian leaders are gone, but imagine the top 50 leaders in the United Kingdom or the United States being gone. This would fundamentally reshape your capacity to do the necessary. And while it doesn't look like Iran is on the cusp of having a change in the regime, it won't surprise me at all if, whether I don't know if it's two weeks or two months or two years, but the work that has been done has absolutely weakened the IRG's capacity to control Iran. And if we keep the economic pressure on them, I think one day we will get an Iran that looks like a much more normal nation and President Trump should get all of the credit for that.

Logan Sekulow: Secretary Pompeo, thank you for joining us today. As always great to have a pop-in for you to just give us an update on everything that's happening in your opinion. It's always great to hear from experts in this situation. Thank you so much. With that being said, we do have a second half hour coming up and I want you to be a part of the broadcast. There's many different ways you can get it. Some of you listening still on terrestrial radio, and I understand that.

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Narrator: We've witnessed monumental legal victories for defending the 14th Amendment and protecting our sacred American right to vote, the overturning of Roe v. Wade, and standing up for the religious liberty of our kids and seniors. But even with the many historic wins we've achieved, the battle is far from over.

The attacks on our constitutionally protected rights persist. Countless unborn babies remain in jeopardy. And across the globe, innocent Christians are being targeted and killed across this country and around the world. This fight isn't just the ACLJ's. It's all of ours. It belongs to every American who wants to preserve the values and beliefs on which this nation was founded.

None of the victories we've won would have been possible without the unwavering support of ACLJ members and ACLJ champions. It's been an honor to fight for you all these years. Join us in fighting for freedom. Have your donation doubled at aclj.org/freedom.

There's a lot happening in America right now. Our values, our faith, our freedoms, they're being challenged in courtrooms and on Capitol Hill. You might feel like you have no say over it. But you make a difference. And right now, you can make double the difference. Our legal teams are fighting across the country, defending your rights to speak, pray, and even how to educate your kids. Join the fight. Go to aclj.org/double to have your gift doubled today.