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Guest (Male): In a speech this morning, President Trump makes a prediction. He'll be impeached again if the GOP loses the midterms.

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Logan Sekulow: Welcome to Sekulow. We are monitoring a few different breaking news stories as we always do. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. President Trump speaking for what felt like hours this morning, but kind of had one big revelation after kind of talking about his normal blowviating a little, talking like President Trump does.

His successes, all of the normal greatest hits, if you will, he kind of let this one slide. It was kind of interesting. It's about the midterm elections, which are obviously very soon now. We're talking about 11 months away from this happening and what the consequences could be. We also know Tim Walz is about to speak once again, answering questions.

So, if you thought he was going away from yesterday, sorry, that doesn't look like that's going to happen. We'll cover that as well and have a packed show later on talking about some of the work of the ACLJ as well. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. But we want to kick off hearing from President Trump. This is just moments ago talking about the midterms.

Donald Trump: You got to win the midterms because if we don't win the midterms, it's just going to be—I mean, they'll find a reason to impeach me. I'll get impeached. We don't impeach them, you know why? Because they're meaner than we are. We should have impeached Joe Biden for 100 different things.

Logan Sekulow: So not only, of course, saying you should have impeached Joe Biden, he's actually saying on there, "They will impeach me, impeach me again." Will, that's something you've been talking about for a while, saying it seems to be what the playbook is that they have been building. The case, if you will, not even that they necessarily would need a case for impeachment.

Will: That's right. One, you know that they have lowered the bar for impeachment so drastically because of President Trump's first term. They impeached him once over what he called a perfect phone call. We know that story all too well. He was acquitted by the Senate. He had a great legal team defending him in that first impeachment. As you may know, Jay Sekulow, Chief Counsel of the ACLJ, was there in the Senate defending the President of the United States in an impeachment trial.

Then they tried a second impeachment after he was out of office to try and retroactively impeach him. That one failed as well and didn't even have the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court presiding over it because it wasn't the impeachment of a president. Very confusing. But they've been building towards this. We know that if they get the majority in the House back, they will try it again.

Whether it be over National Guard deployments, whether it be over originally strikes on boats in the Caribbean, now over maybe an illegal incursion to arrest the President of Venezuela, as we saw just over the weekend. They are building towards it. It's just which one of their narratives, their threads, will they choose to stick it out with? They are going to do that if they have the majority in the House of Representatives.

Logan Sekulow: If they have a majority, they get it done. I mean, I think that's kind of clear. He's impeached, easy. That's going to happen. He's done enough that would be the gray area for them to make their case. Again, why not put America through that again? We saw how well it worked the last time. Phone lines are open for you at 1-800-684-3110. He also inferred with Venezuela that it looks like the transition period of time they're looking at, about an 18 to 19-month look, it looks like we would be in control while the government's transitioning.

Will: That's right. Really, what he was saying was 18 months really to get the country set up and on its feet to move forward. A lot of questions there. We'll talk about that later on in the broadcast. But we will also focus on what was the point of this speech this morning? Where was he and where does this even matter in kind of this point in time when he's predicting his impeachment?

Logan Sekulow: All I know is I turned on the radio on the way into work today and he was talking and I don't—I mean, did he just end?

Will: Yeah, just ended.

Logan Sekulow: So we're talking about hours long, kind of a throwback President Trump speech, which can go on for days. Phone lines are open at 1-800-684-3110. We are in the month of January. So with that, it's just a big thanks right now. Thank you so much for all your support. We really appreciate it here at the ACLJ. You can find all that incredible free content at aclj.org and, of course, support the work if you feel so inclined. ACLJ.org. We'll be right back.

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Logan Sekulow: Welcome back to Sekulow. Phone lines, as I said, are open at 1-800-684-3110. I'd love to hear from you. President Trump infers, says, "Hey, we got to win in the midterms. Republicans have to win or I'm getting impeached again." What do you think about that? Do you think that's true? Do you see that happening? Does it end, a result this time, in a result of him being removed from office? We can go through what that would look like and what that would actually have to happen to make that happen.

But phone lines, like I said, are open for you and I want to hear your thoughts on that at 1-800-684-3110. I actually think because a lot of people are just joining us right now, we should play back—this is President Trump speaking just moments ago. He's been making a speech. Will, you can set us up. Why was he making this speech? Because again, it was a multi-hour campaign, if you will.

Will: That's right. So, this is at the Republican conference retreat, the GOP retreat. They were meeting at the Trump Kennedy Center today where they kind of lay out their agenda for the coming year. These retreats happen early in the year always, where they break off from the normal duties of Congress and they're like, "Okay, what are the agenda items we want to get done?" If you're in the minority, sometimes it's what agenda items do we want to block?

But what the Republicans are doing here, they were meeting with the President, and then there will be breakout sessions among committees and leadership to try and—yeah, it's your favorite kind of thing.

Logan Sekulow: I love a good breakout meeting. I love a breakout session. I love a conference. Especially with talkers. Just a bunch of talkers. One of those places they put you in a seat next to someone you don't know and, oh, I love it so much. A good moderator. Put a LEGO in front of you and go, "That's going to mean something later." Yeah, oh, just wait. These LEGOs are great. Clown nose.

So, anyhow, you get through this, but the President was there to kind of, as the leader of the party, lay out the agenda, so to speak. But it was kind of a pep talk to the members of Congress, like, "Look at all we've done," and bashing the left. But he did get to this really key point. And I think maybe for him, the most important point of the midterms is that if the House falls to the Democrats as far as a majority in this November election, there will be, I would wager, almost no legislation moving forward for two years.

And then you are going to see attempt after attempt at the Democrats, whether it be through oversight hearings, whether it be through calling people before Congress, or whether it be impeachment, which I predicted a long time ago and a lot of others have as well. That is their main agenda item for this election cycle.

Logan Sekulow: Put a prop bet on it.

Will: Yeah, I mean, you can do that now. We don't advise it. But he will do that. The left will do that early. They'll try to get an impeachment. I mean, there's already articles of impeachment written, I'm sure, for every single offense that they can come up with. But they will get that done early. They will try to get it before the Senate soon. If they were to take the Senate, then I think the Senate would set the rules there. It would move forward a lot more easily for them. You still have to get to 60 votes to have someone removed from office. So, it's not as if there would be an overwhelming victory in the Senate that could even get to a 60-vote majority for the left.

Logan Sekulow: More show.

Will: It would be once again, waste of taxpayer dollars, waste of time, trying to tarnish the legacy, etc. Just put everyone through another torturous experience. No, thanks. I would much prefer that not to happen. And look, he is right that if the Democrats and Republicans played by the same rules, there were plenty of things that could have happened during the Biden presidency. In fact, it was floated out there many times and often it was shut down because the Republicans don't seem to play that game.

The lowering the bar—you could say whatever you want about the people in the House and the Senate, the Republicans and the Democrats, some of the ones that have been there forever, some of the ones that are new. They do play by a bit of different set of cards. And maybe that's why you've seen some frustration out of some of the younger ones that come through because the older ones, specifically the older Republicans, kind of are maintaining the decorum, if you will, that has been at least in their lifetime.

Whether or not that will hold going into the future, I don't know. I don't think it will. Because here's the thing: impeachment was always the ultimate political threat. Obviously, Bill Clinton was impeached, but before that, it was Andrew Johnson that was impeached. So, it was a very long list of presidents that were not impeached. But then you had the Nixon era where impeachment was looming and he resigned. He went all Tim Walz. Also not a crook. Also not a crook. You got some zingers today.

But then what happens? That becomes the ultimate threat. Bill Clinton was impeached, not removed from office. But then how many times did the left start to chant for George W. Bush: impeach him, impeach him? Then Obama: impeach him, impeach him. But what did Congress never actually do? They never got to that. They never got the job done. With Trump, they broke through that invisible barrier, that red line in the sand twice. Once was he not even in office anymore. They decided, just for old time's sake, "Let's go for an encore."

Now today, they are doing something to try and set it up as well. They are having kind of a mock hearing about January 6th as well as kind of a memorial, as that is their kind of agenda day. They are bringing that back up. It is the anniversary of January 6th today. So, that is where their focus is at the same time the President is saying they're going to try to re-impeach me. He doesn't have to be some sort of crystal ball reader to know that this is coming. This is the apparent playbook now.

And it is going to be interesting to see if there is any sort of course correction in the Democrat Party if they do this and it fails once again. Do they finally get over this obsession with waging this political tool, this political show trial for any reason under the sun when it's just policy differences?

Logan Sekulow: I think as long as you have a President Trump or someone in that ilk, someone who feels like President Trump, maybe someone who is willing to break some political norms, no, I think this will be the standard. I think this is the standard going forward. And by the way, like you said, I wouldn't be surprised to see if the Republicans switch it up and start doing the same thing. I don't approve of it. I don't like it. But I wouldn't be shocked as some of these younger ones become more seasoned, become the senior leadership, that this starts happening more and more.

I don't like it. I would love to see us return to something a little bit more civil in that, but it just doesn't feel like it's on the horizon. I mean, look, if they were successful, if for some bizarre reason they were successful in removing him from office, do they really want a President J.D. Vance? And the answer to that is no, they do not want a President J.D. Vance. So, that's how you know that this is still a bit of a show. Because before, you would have had a President Mike Pence. Okay, regardless, at least it would have been a calmer situation. You may not have approved of him, but it would have been a calmer situation.

A President J.D. Vance, way different. Way different. You're talking about someone who is not afraid to speak his mind or say things that are controversial or do things that are controversial or even say things that I would say go against even the traditional conservative platform. You would have a very, very different time. It's why I don't believe that they think they can get this done, but they know that it is painful. And it is a painful experience to go through, whether you are the person being impeached, the family of the person being impeached, the administration. The amount of time and effort you have to put into this kind of thing, it's not some silly fun throw it together, put it together. It is really straining.

So, like Will said, it would theoretically in many ways end any movement of President Trump's agenda through at least the House and Senate.

Will: Yeah, I mean, that would be the very first and obvious thing is that even if they weren't moving forward with impeachment, I don't think that there is any desire for any sort of working together. In history, the bipartisan things started to come about during, after midterm elections when it's like, "Okay, we lost having a majority. Now we're going to have to figure out how to work together." The world now is a place where, "Okay, we took back the majority of the House from the party of the President. Now we can just stonewall for two years."

That is the world we live in now. The cost to the taxpayer, whether it be through show trials, impeachments over policy or whether it just be shutting down, effectively, a moratorium on government for two years. That seems to be what our country has turned into when it comes to our Congress. And I think that's what we're going to see. I think it is always hard for the party that's the incumbent party to hold a midterm.

We'll see, but even today, there was news unexpectedly—a congressman, 65 years old out of California, Republican congressman, passed away suddenly. So, that just sets back even further the Republicans' base that they have to work with as far as their majority. It gets a lot tougher going forward.

Logan Sekulow: All right. We'll be back when we'll take your phone calls at 1-800-684-3110. Stay on hold if you're on hold. C.C. Heil is going to be joining us, Senior Attorney here at the ACLJ, to give you a bit of an update on some of our really important cases. Some big wins and some wins that unfortunately aren't over yet and will be moving forward. Ones that you are going to be shocked, can't believe that it's not over yet. But here we are. And that's why supporting the work of the ACLJ is always important.

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Announcer: After nearly 50 years, *Roe v. Wade*, the tragic ruling that manufactured a so-called right to abortion, has been overturned by the United States Supreme Court. This is the moment the ACLJ has been fighting for. It's the biggest victory we've achieved in our three-decade-long fight against the soulless abortion industry. And believe me, abortionists like Planned Parenthood are devastated.

This victory would not have been possible without the steadfast prayer and support of ACLJ members like you. On behalf of the entire ACLJ, I thank you for standing with us against the abortion industry and helping us save defenseless babies. I thank you for making this victory possible. And I ask you for your continued prayer and support as we continue to battle against barbaric new abortion laws across our nation.

The challenges facing Americans are substantial. At a time when our values, our freedoms, and our constitutional rights are under attack, it's more important than ever to stand with the American Center for Law and Justice. For decades now, the ACLJ has been on the front lines, protecting your freedoms, defending your rights in court, in Congress, and in the public arena. And we have an exceptional track record of success.

But here's the bottom line: we could not do our work without your support. We remain committed to protecting your religious and constitutional freedoms. That remains our top priority, especially now during these challenging times. The American Center for Law and Justice is on your side. If you're already a member, thank you. And if you're not, well, this is the perfect time to stand with us at aclj.org, where you can learn more about our life-changing work. Become a member today at aclj.org.

Logan Sekulow: Welcome back to Sekulow. We are joined now by C.C. Heil, Senior Counsel here at the ACLJ. We do have some phone lines open at 1-800-684-3110 and I'm going to want to get to your calls in the next half hour. So, make sure you get on hold. We'll do our best to get to you. This is an update on a case you may remember. This is a teacher who said, "Hey, I want to pray, maybe I want to get involved at See You at the Pole. I've been doing this for years." And the school district said, "No, you cannot do that. You cannot pray within public."

And we went, we got a win, but of course, it doesn't end here. You'd think this would be an easy spot to go, "You know what? If you're this school that really hates prayer so much, you could take the L and understand the court ruled against you." We won here at the ACLJ. So, congratulations to everyone who fought for that and everyone who is on the team and all of you who supported the work.

That's great. But you'd hope that would be the end. But no, they decided, "Let's maybe waste some more resources and let's push forward because we really, really don't want prayer in this school. We really, really don't want our teachers to be praying in public." So, let's back it up a little bit, C.C. Give us a bit of a history of this case and then, of course, where it happens to end up now.

C.C. Heil: Right. Well, what's another shocking thing, and this is—we talk about this all the time at the ACLJ and on this radio show—that it's in Katy, Texas. So once again, we're not talking about New York, we're not talking about California. We're not talking about places where we think, "Okay, well, we've got some really liberal principals and school administrators that maybe don't understand the Constitution and they're going after it."

So in Katy, Texas, we have a teacher that has taught for 26 years at this junior high school. She's participated at See You at the Pole for all of those years with no problems. But this past year in 2025, she gets a notice from the principal that she cannot pray. That teachers, not just her, but teachers cannot pray with or in the presence of students. So, this is a blanket—she wanted to do a Bible study with teachers before they started school, so before hours on her own time. They cannot do that if by chance any student could ever see them, they cannot pray.

And what's amazing about this is if people recall, and I think our listeners will, the Coach Kennedy case, where he wanted to pray on the football field. And the Supreme Court ruled on that and said, "Absolutely, he has that right." In fact, Gorsuch wrote that schools cannot force employees to shed their religious identity at work. And yet that's what this principal is doing. So, like you said, we did have a win. The school filed a motion to dismiss and the district court denied that, saying absolutely not, this case goes forward. And he has appealed from that. And so now we are in the Fifth Circuit appellate court and we have oral argument on Friday to go further with this case and defend this teacher's right to have her religious faith and practice her religious faith as a teacher.

Will: And what's kind of crazy about this is a lot of times these are the type of cases because it's such established law and even when you have a Supreme Court precedent that weighs in here as recent as the Kennedy case, that this is a demand letter. This is a classic demand letter case. Sometimes we're like, "Oh man, wish we could have sued the school to get out there and fight for it." But no, you send a letter and they say, "You're right. We looked at it. How dare the principal? Whatever. Slap on the wrist. Move along. And here it is in writing so your teacher's not going to get in trouble."

What's so remarkable is that they wanted to litigate it. They won't take the L, as Logan said. And they're like, "No, we're going to double down. We're going to appeal that up. We're going to keep going." So, it also is foretelling that they're going to try to appeal at every level of this. They are really adamant about this. And imagine that for the teacher. Been working there 26 years, having to fight this with just a run-of-the-mill law firm. Just trying to say, "Hey, I'm going to hire an attorney, I'm going to go forward."

The legal bills alone would be almost bankrupting because it's not just the normal course of action. It's this school is saying, "We're going to appeal every stage of this." Motion to dismiss denied. Fine, we're taking that up to the Fifth Circuit. You can only imagine that they're going to try to draw this out as long as possible. Many of these kids will have graduated from high school and moved on that could have been the people that could have seen her praying by the time that this plays out, unless we put an end to it early.

C.C. Heil: Yeah, absolutely. And it is ridiculous. You're exactly right. That's why the ACLJ exists because these teachers—and when you have a situation like this, there is no way you can go to federal district court and then federal appellate court and possibly the United States Supreme Court and be able to pay the legal fees. And so that's why our supporters are so critical in our efforts. And we are so thankful for every supporter.

And I'll tell you, it is ridiculous because in the district court ruling, the judge said that the Kennedy case was on point. And what that means legally is this Kennedy case is literally specifically speaking to this case. And a lot of times you don't have on-point cases that you're arguing. But for a district court judge to say the Kennedy case is on point and absolutely I'm not going to dismiss this case, that it is going forward because I believe that the First Amendment rights of these teachers, this teacher, has been violated, that is very telling. And then for the principal to appeal that—you're exactly right, that's very telling. He's going to fight it all the way and it's ridiculous. And we will be in court on Friday. Nathan, one of our great attorneys, will be arguing the oral argument on Friday and hopefully we'll be very successful. We have a good panel of judges. I think it's a Trump, Bush, and Reagan appointee.

Logan Sekulow: So when we say that it moves forward on Friday and Friday is the trial, what is the timeline then after that? And how far when you say we'll go all the way, how far could this in theory go? Because you'd think, I mean, it's just feels like very much a one-off for a lot of people listening going, "Okay, this is one teacher in one school district." But the ramifications can be huge if it keeps going.

C.C. Heil: Right. So again, it is—if we win, we not only win for this teacher, we win for all the teachers in this district and we also establish what Kennedy, the Kennedy case has established, is that teachers can practice their faith at school. And we make that very clear. So, it will be a big win if the appellate court says, "No, we're not going to overrule the denial of the motion to dismiss," then it goes back to that district court and we see what happens there and we might go to the appellate court again and it might go to the Supreme Court. I mean, it could go as far as you can imagine.

Will: Well, and think about this because this is the principal tried to get in and appeal the motion to dismiss, just wanting it to be thrown out in force their rules against prayer. That, okay, if he loses at that, then could ask for an en banc, meaning the entire Fifth Circuit gets involved. Loses there, tries to take it to the Supreme Court. Then all of that, that's before ever getting to the merits of the case. And then it could start all over. Once again, sometimes these cases in a place like Katy, Texas, you don't think how big it actually could end up being. And that's why you have to take even the ones that seem small, that seem easy, because you have to be prepared to fight each one of them as far as it will go, even if in your head this should just be resolved by a letter.

Logan Sekulow: Yeah, and remember, this is coming up this Friday. You know, we're talking about, what, 10 days after Christmas. This team has been working hard at this, knowing this was all coming and building. Again, the ACLJ team doesn't rest, doesn't stop. Incredible group of attorneys, incredible media team that are always ready to serve and to be there. And again, of course, they're doing it at no cost to the client because of people like you that support the work.

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When we get back, we're going to continue our discussion. If you have a question or comment related to what was going on either in Venezuela, what was happening, of course, with President Trump saying they're going to impeach me again in the midterms, or maybe we could even talk about some of the other topics. Of course, we're waiting on more from Governor Tim Walz. He's going to be speaking any minute here. Who knows what he's going to say? What kind of revelations are going to come out next? We'll find out the second half hour of Sekulow coming up in just a minute.

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