Countdown 2 Eternity

Guest (Male): Hey, welcome to Countdown to Eternity with Pastors James Kaddis and Andy Woods. It’s a weekly radio ministry from Calvary Chapel Signal Hill. James and Andy examine current events and connect what's going on in our world to Bible prophecy. Let's lean in and listen.

James Kaddis: Well hello, my dear brothers and sisters. I want to welcome you to another episode of Countdown to Eternity. I am so grateful to have one of the greats by my side, Andy Woods. He's a dear friend. He's a very smart guy and I have a lot of fun learning from him. I like having friends that I can learn from. I'm going to leave it there. My dear brother, how are you doing? We've got a loaded show. We have a really loaded show.

Andy Woods: James, I'm doing great. As always, thank you for that very warm introduction. The feeling is mutual. I'm doing great out here in the promised land, the great state of Texas.

James Kaddis: It is, in many ways, the promised land. I'm not going to debate that. I live in California. I mean, there's no comparison.

Andy Woods: Well, we're called the Lone Star State. The only other lone star state I know of is the nation of Israel. So, I'm not saying Texas replaces Israel, but I'm just drawing an interesting parallel there.

James Kaddis: Israel is the topic of discussion today for a lot of different reasons and on many different levels. I thought that we would start this out with discussing the father of lies. I'm not talking about Tucker Carlson. He works for that guy. But this is an important one. When I see things like this, I grow eerily concerned. I'm very, very bothered by it. Extremely bothered by it.

Let me read this passage to you. It's one that you and I are very much familiar with. This is John chapter eight, verse 44. It says, "You are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him." Notice what Jesus continues to say. He says, "When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own, for he is a liar and the father of it."

He's the father of lies, and I can't help but to draw the parallel from what we read in the Quran, which is a book that has no credibility. But let's just assume it did for a second. It actually makes a declaration which basically means Allah is the chief of deceivers. Satan is the father of lies. Allah is the chief of deceivers, liars. Interesting parallel that's drawn here.

With that said, I have to play a video. This video is disturbing for a lot of reasons. It is reflective of what is happening in a whole sector of our country and I dare even say it's happening in our world. Zechariah predicted it. We know that it's going on.

But I want you to pay attention to a recent appearance that Tucker Carlson made. I want to thank the fellows at Milkbar TV for putting this together because this video is ugly. What Tucker Carlson says is ugly here. But it has to be shown because I want your comments on it. I on purpose chose to not show it to you before we got together so that you could come in hot and heavy and react. Take a listen.

Guest (Male): I'm very opposed to Hitler, okay? Just saying. I don't think was Hitler ever on the record saying we need to exterminate every single member of a specific bloodline?

When international finance Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe.

James Kaddis: For those of you that are not watching and you're listening on radio, that was then followed by a clip of Adolf Hitler himself calling for the elimination of every single Jew that is in Europe. It’s so interesting because Tucker Carlson doesn't even think that Jews in Europe were real Jews, yet Hitler himself believed that they were real Jews and called for their extermination. Kind of an interesting thing, but let's go on. This is not over yet.

Guest (Male): The main power to which we owe all this misfortune, international Jewry. You will remember the Reichstag session in which I declared if Jewry imagines it can bring about an international world war for the extermination of the European races, the result will not be the extermination of the European races, but the extermination of Jewry in Europe.

James Kaddis: So again, this is him calling for the extermination of all Jews in Europe. Tucker Carlson, of course, saying that Hitler never called for the extermination of Jews, but take a look at where he's leading with this. I want you very much to address this because you are obviously a Bible scholar. This is going to be an interesting one.

Guest (Male): They laughed at me as a prophet then. Of those who laughed then, countless are no longer laughing today.

James Kaddis: He says they're no longer laughing at me today. That's his translation. Now, take a look at what Tucker says here.

Guest (Male): Netanyahu just said that last week. Yes, he did. He said it many other times. This is bonkers.

We read in the weekly Torah portion, "Remember what Amalek did to you." We remember and we act.

Western civilization has no place for Amalek.

James Kaddis: For those of you that don't have the benefit of hearing the Hebrew language or you don't understand what he's saying in the Hebrew language, Netanyahu is saying, "Don't forget Amalek." That's basically what he's saying. Clearly, he’s not calling for the extermination of everybody other than Jews. Tucker Carlson knows that, by the way, but he's a liar and he's a manipulator.

Guest (Male): Amalek is referenced to the Amalekites who are the historic enemies of the Jewish people and who I think pursued them as they fled slavery in Egypt. There are many references to it, but the critical reference is in 1 Samuel 15 in which God commanded the Jews to kill the Amalekites, Amalek, all of them. And I mean literally kill all of them. Actual literal genocide. Murdering innocents is a grave sin in Christianity. That's not the theology of Netanyahu. He has used the term Amalek repeatedly. His attitudes are not Western, they're Eastern, they're medieval, they're primitive, they're scary, they're genocidal. And we know that not because we hate him and we're making up things he said, because we're listening to him say Amalek repeatedly to his people and to the world.

James Kaddis: Andy, what do you have to say to that? There are so many vectors to attack here.

Andy Woods: Let's start off with this. It's the transforming David into Goliath strategy. Rather than Israel being the victim, and all you've got to do, folks, is look at a map and see how tiny Israel is compared to the mass of nations that surround her that have written into their charters they want to drive Israel into the Mediterranean Sea. He's trying to make it sound like Israel is the one that wants to wipe everyone else off the map when in fact it's the Islamic countries that have repeatedly said the opposite concerning Israel. We want to wipe Israel off the map. I think Ahmadinejad from Iran, if I remember right, actually said that. So he's reversing the narrative.

Second, it’s Holocaust marginalization. Hitler really didn't intend to exterminate every Jew on planet Earth, which is contrary to historical data. But there's a political reason he's doing this. What gives the world worldwide sympathy for Israel having their own land is the Holocaust. That's why the United Nations going back to 1947, coming right out of the Holocaust era, World War II era, voted for Israel to have her own land. So if that's what gave them worldwide sympathy and you don't like Israel in the land, then your gut reaction is to marginalize the Holocaust.

Oh, there's all kinds of Holocausts, and Holocausts aren't that bad, and Hitler really didn't intend to exterminate every living Jew. So there's a political reason this is going on. And then the other thing I'll say to this is what makes the Holocaust against the Jewish people World War II era unique. Once the Jews fled and got outside of Hitler's jurisdiction, Hitler sent people into those areas outside of his jurisdiction to bring the Jewish people back. That is completely and totally unique to the Holocaust World War II era. So all of that to say is what Tucker Carlson is doing here is he's transforming David into Goliath. And he's marginalizing the Holocaust because he's trying to shift worldwide sympathy away from Zionism because he understands that the Holocaust is what gave the world global sympathy for Israel. That's why so many of these Middle Eastern dictators have actually done their doctoral dissertations and master's theses and things like this on the whole topic of either Holocaust denial or Holocaust marginalization. So this is all part of a narrative that Tucker Carlson for whatever reason is weaving together to turn sympathy away from the Jewish state and the Jewish nation.

James Kaddis: It’s really interesting, the phrase "remember Amalek," which by the way is straight out of the Bible. It's a biblical quote. It is actually seen in very public places all over the world. You see it at Yad Vashem. You see that verse posted there with the Star of David. You see it at virtually every Holocaust museum that's all over the world. And guess what? You even see it at the ICJ in the Hague.

Give me a break. It’s so interesting because the gist of that verse is completely butchered by Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson says that Bibi is calling for the annihilation of a whole group of people, the genocide of a whole group of people. I want you to pay attention to the fact that Tucker Carlson is actually cursing what he calls his own God. He actually says that God in the Old Testament called for a genocide of a group of people while still claiming to be a Christian. I don't think Tucker is a Christian. I don't think Tucker worships the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. I think Tucker is growing into a mindset that completely denies the worship of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob because he hates Jews that much.

The gist of the meaning of that verse has nothing to do with that very thing. As a matter of fact, I'm going to play the remainder of this video for you, and I want to get your thoughts on this because I think it speaks very clearly to the issue and then maybe you can offer up your commentary.

Guest (Male): They tried to attack and annihilate the Israelites, and all the way through the Book of Judges they do the same thing. They're constantly persecuting and annihilating Israelites. And eventually, in the Book of Samuel, was a one-off instruction. And nowhere did the Prime Minister of Israel quote a single verse from 1 Samuel 15. He quotes the verse from Deuteronomy 25:17. "Remember what Amalek did to you." He says, "We remember and we fight."

That's the verse that's been used throughout history every time Jews are massacred for being Jewish. We always use that line, "Remember what Amalek did to you. Don't forget." In fact, on pretty much all Holocaust memorials, it uses that verse, including Yad Vashem, Israel's primary Holocaust memorial, which nobody thinks could possibly mean go and commit genocide against Germans, God forbid. That's not what it means. It's even in the ICJ in the Hague. Literally has a place there where they have a Holocaust memorial and literally quotes that verse, "Remember that which Amalek did to you." So when Tucker says he's quoting this idea of killing Amalek, he's saying that Palestinians are all Amalekites. That is absolutely not what Netanyahu is saying.

I don't think Hitler ever said anything like that.

James Kaddis: He's gotten to the point now where he is defending Adolf Hitler and minimizing the Holocaust while at the same time using a self-proclaimed subject matter expert in history who says is the greatest historian alive to basically say that the leader, probably one of the most important leaders of the time, Churchill, was an evil man. That's how dark Tucker Carlson has become. What's your thoughts on what you just saw this rabbi saying?

Andy Woods: Well, I did a paper on this when I was in seminary on Canaanite genocide. If people want it, they can find it on a website called spiritandtruth.org. But the whole subject of Canaanite genocide where God said eradicate the Canaanites, there's a specific historical context to all of that. Number one, He had given them centuries, literally centuries to repent. You remember when they entered, the spies entered, remember Rahab the harlot? In the land of Canaan, she knew all about what happened at the Red Sea and then it was the Jordan. She knew about those incidents. So she had word of a holy God. There was an awareness within Canaan of God, and God was giving them an opportunity to repent. And he waited an awful long time. That goes back to Genesis 15, verse 13 and verse 16. It's about 400 years because the wickedness of the Amorites is not yet complete.

And the other thing to understand about Canaanite genocide, by the way, the Canaanites were involved in some of the most grotesque practices known to man sexually speaking. And if you want evidence of it, read Leviticus 18 and Leviticus 20 and you'll see it described there in very gory detail. But the thing to understand about this Canaanite genocide that the rabbi is talking about from the book of Deuteronomy—it's kind of interesting that Tucker didn't get the right verse. He was quoting it out of 1 Samuel when Bibi was making reference to Deuteronomy. I think he said chapter 25. But the interesting thing about it is when God gave that command for Canaanite genocide, it was a limited command for a one specific instance. In other words, yes, you can commit genocide against the Canaanites this one time.

It was for a one generation, one people group living in a narrow geographical area. It's completely different than what you find in Islam where there's commands for genocide that are open-ended and that are to be followed throughout the generations right to the present hour. So all of that historical context Tucker Carlson is ignoring and he's abusing the scripture to make it sound like Bibi is using the command for Canaanite genocide to say let's commit genocide today against all of our Jewish enemies. When Bibi is not using the verse that way, the verse is not promoting that. Bibi is using it in a sense of let's defend ourselves against those that are trying to eradicate us.

Why is Tucker Carlson doing this? Why is he taking Netanyahu's quote out of context? Why is he taking the Bible out of context? Because he's trying to transform David into Goliath. He's trying to turn the victim into the oppressor because he's trying to shape world opinion against the Jewish people living in the land of Israel because for whatever reason, he doesn't believe that the Jews living in the land of Israel today should be there. And he's taken the Islamic side of the narrative. So I think that's really what's going on here.

James Kaddis: And I think that's great insight. Taking the Islamic side of the narrative, you could not be more accurate. That's a really good thing to point out. And then the other problem is that you have this lie that the enemy is using him to continue to propagate. The thing is, I actually have a theory. I actually believe Tucker Carlson hates America. I think he hates America. I think he hates the true people of God and I think he hates anything that stands up for righteousness because if he didn't, he would not stand up for this. He wouldn't allow these false narratives and irresponsible narratives to be communicated.

He is acting irresponsibly in making these assertions because he knows better. That's the worst part about it. I had hope in the fact that he was simply ignorant about these things. That it was just ignorance that was driving it and that was the case, but although I'm not at liberty to discuss how I know this, I know for a fact that's not the case. I know for a fact he is absolutely not ignorant about this and he is by far there is a distinct methodology that he's applying here. It's one that's been driven by the same tactics of the enemy throughout the ages.

It's very obvious. He is casting very deep aspersion on the word of God. It's very obvious. You can see it. He is creating a series of vectors where there is in essence this ultimate picture where he's trying to manipulate the minds and the hearts of the people in which he has created an audience with. There is a very strategic blueprint that drives this. America's not going to be easily defeated from the outside. It has to be fractured from within. And one of the most important fracture points is always going to be the alliance between the church and Israel.

If he can damage the alliance between the church and Israel, if he can break the theology, he can break the political support and in doing so, you get the very ugly, critical, destructive mechanism that's being deployed here. It is a combination. It's a weird theology that combines three really simple, easy things which by the way is scary if you think about it. It combines this integralism and it's kind of difficult to describe because you can find components of it everywhere. It also brings in what I would call this hardline traditionalist Catholicism. He's taking these think tanks, this hardline Jesuit philosophy and he's driving it into this.

Perhaps the most consequential aspect of this is it involves this imported European and Middle Eastern sectarian set of ideas. So what's happening is he's reclaiming what is the mainstream of American religious life and he is infiltrating it by bringing in this influential ideological project. By the way, him and the likes of Steve Bannon are doing this. He's doing it in conjunction with many other people. And he's not just simply attacking the authority of scripture alone, he's actually attacking young Christians, young evangelicals because he wants them to understand or realize that their understanding of the Bible is naive. It's causing them to seek out what he's calling is the necessity for some kind of institutional authority instead. And that in essence causes this doubt and that's where the undermining of this covenant with Israel is coming into play. It's ugly, it's dark, it's wicked, but it's very obvious what he's doing here.

Andy Woods: Yeah, I think you nailed it, James. This is a psy-op and he's trying to weaken the last stand which is us Zionists. Because as long as we're around and our theology is dominant, then America will never turn its back on Israel. So you have to damage that. You have to destroy it. And what people need to understand about Tucker Carlson is he is not an actual journalist. He is not a historian. He is an activist. And he is someone who will selectively use journalistic tactics or historical tactics to contribute to his metanarrative.

And in this case, his narrative is weakening the bond between America and the nation of Israel. As to why he's doing it is anybody's guess. I think personally a lot of it has to do with the amount of money that he has been paid via Islamic sources to get the Tucker Carlson Network when he left Fox News off the ground. But the way to look at Tucker Carlson is you have to look at him just like a Father Coughlin, a Tokyo Rose, a propagandist. He is a propagandist. And he is very good apparently at what he does, but it's not actual journalism. It's not actual conservatism. It's far afield from what MAGA, Trump came out and said this recently, what MAGA represents. And he's gotten into the whole mindset of being an activist and a propagandist and he's going after the religious component of it, the biblical component of it, Zionism, particularly dispensationalists which is us, which is what gives people an incentive to want to support the nation of Israel because of what you articulated a little earlier concerning the biblical belief in an Abrahamic covenant. God is not finished with the nation of Israel, so that puts us on Israel's side.

James Kaddis: Yeah, and I would totally agree with you. It's crazy because he's undermining the very belief in God's covenant with Israel and he's doing it effectively. He's literally expressing the fact that the idea that God's promises to Israel are going to stand, he's challenging that. And he's challenging support for Israel. He's actually framing it as some kind of political manipulation. And it's obvious what he's doing and just as you mentioned, Christian Zionism is being labeled as some heretical and dangerous way of thinking and he uses that.

He uses the term dangerous. "Oh, Christian Zionism is dangerous." So the idea here is that when he gets people to buy into this, especially the young crowd, hook, line, and sinker, he starts promoting this alternative political ideology. And that's what's happening right now. And actually, I'm not even going to call it an ideology. I'm going to call it a theology because he's trying to do it in the name of some religious mechanism that he's driving. So he's basically pointing to some kind of weird religious system where there is like a religious authority that governs the infrastructure.

The way he's getting that to happen is by teaching them to patently reject the Protestantism or the Protestant influence in American constitutional approach because it was Protestantism in even the founding of our constitution that actually drove—look, it's biblical precedent that drove our founding fathers to write what they wrote. So the idea here, this vision that he has is that Protestants as a whole, not just Zionists, Protestants as a whole eventually lose their influence. So it's not just some political messaging, it's a literal spiritual and theological reprogramming. That's what's happening here.

Andy Woods: Well, since you opened that door, let's go down that road just a little bit further if we could. Candace Owens, right? What did she say recently? Charlie Kirk is too smart to be a Protestant. I think that's a direct quote. And it's very interesting to me that all of these people that are pushing this anti-Zionist mindset happen to be of the Roman Catholic persuasion. I'm thinking of people like Steve Bannon. Just look at Steve Bannon's show as it comes on and look at all the Roman Catholic artifacts and things, statues and things of that nature that he has in the background. And then we have Candace Owens, Roman Catholic. We have Tucker Carlson, Episcopalian.

I was raised Episcopalian, James, before I got saved and Episcopalianism and Roman Catholicism in a lot of ways are kissing cousins. And then we also have Carrie Bourgon-Boller, who is kicked off the religious freedom council that Trump created. I think that's what it is. Which by the way, she has the same IQ and the same intellectual capacity as Candace Owens. Not so smart. Well, I wasn't going to comment on that part of it, but you said it very well. But I was going to comment on the Roman Catholic angle.

She just received some Roman Catholic award from some group that I'm not completely sure is representative of all Catholics. But my point is, James, you really opened the door here when you explained that a lot of this comes from Roman Catholicism. Just people connect the dots yourself. You'll see that Roman Catholicism or some kind of high liturgical form of Christendom like Episcopalianism is sort of in the background here. And all of those groups, James, what do they teach? They teach carte blanche replacement theology. They're dialing into Augustine going all the way back to the fourth century who in his book, The City of God, said that God is through with the Jew, God is through with the nation of Israel. All of Israel's promises have been symbolically transferred to the church. And so as people listen to this drumbeat of anti-Zionism, note the ecclesiological connections.

James Kaddis: Yeah, and look Andy, if you just examine their roles as they work together, is it a surprise that they promote each other? I talked about this just a second ago. Tucker Carlson, he's taking fringe ideas, he's delivering them to millions of people. He's legitimizing it. Nick Fuentes, his job is he is the demonic replacement to Charlie Kirk. He's the guy that's focused on younger audiences. He's blending religion, identity, politics. You know as Charlie got closer and closer to the time that he was assassinated, he was actually beginning to be governed in his theology in navigating through politics.

His identity was wrapped up in Christ. The constraints that he began to really understand through the practice of true religion was something that was completely changing his approach and it was effective. And Nick Fuentes is just the opposite. He actually some of the things he says are so satanic and he himself specifically is being tasked to encourage infiltration into conservative structures. That's what he does. He talks about this. I'm the Groypers, I impregnate Turning Point USA. That's what he's talking about.

And then Candace Owens brings this supposed "I'm a convert" voice. She claims that she came from evangelical circles. There was nothing about her that was evangelical. There was nothing about her that was Protestant in any way. She wouldn't be able to articulate a simple catechism if it literally walked up to her and slapped her in the face. She said that she read the early church fathers and that's what got her to convert to Catholicism. And I can promise you she can't even pronounce the word Eucharist.

She couldn't pronounce the name of these early church fathers to save her life. She would not be able to bring in a serious or a strong theological presentation. She claims she converted to Catholicism, yet she just told the whole world that she hasn't been confirmed yet which is going to happen in a few weeks. So she now critiques evangelicalism or Protestantism from the inside or from the I guess for lack of a better term, yeah, from inside the Catholic church using the "this is where I used to be."

And Steve Bannon is the worst. Steve Bannon of all of them, he is the strategist, bro. He's the one that connects populist energy to this deeper ideological framework that by the way, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens, and Nick Fuentes put together don't understand. But he's the one that's shaping the political direction and it's super, super ugly. And these content creators, they're all targeting young men, all of them are. They're all attacking Protestant theology and they're all creating these alternative frameworks that are hell-bent on institutionalism that comes from the Roman Catholic Church. That's exactly what's happening. It's completely ridiculous, but it's true. It's what's taking place, bro.

Andy Woods: Well, it's interesting to listen to them all talk. They say something like this. I was listening to my priest and I became an anti-Zionist. I was reading the church fathers and I became an anti-Zionist. I was reading Augustine, I became an anti-Zionist. I was reading church history, I was reading church tradition and I became anti-Israel. You know what you never hear them say, James? I was reading my Bible and I started to hate Israel. Because the Bible, when read from Genesis to Revelation, don't just go to your favorite passages in the New Testament making them sound the way you think they're reading and use those to rewrite the Old Testament.

Don't do that. Start in Genesis, start reading all the way through, get on some kind of one-year Bible reading program, and then when you hit the New Testament, interpret the New Testament in light of what has already been revealed in the Old Testament. Because if you don't do that, then why even have an Old Testament? And God is a liar if he can change the Old Testament. So the truth of the matter is, read the Bible that way and there's no possible way you can come out believing what these people believe against the nation of Israel. And so that's why James there's such a concerted attempt in our church circles to get us away from a chronological reading of the word of God.

James Kaddis: Amen. You are not wrong about that. You are 1,000% right. And it's crazy and you know what else you won't hear them do? You won't hear them say I read church history and was appalled by the millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of people that Catholics killed. You're not going to hear them say that either. I just think it's terrible. And by the way, this is the very reason why you see them identifying so closely with the Greek Orthodox and Russian Orthodox church. This is why the orthodoxy that they claim to have seems to be a clear identifying component. This is why Tucker Carlson will feature these in essence Catholic priests in Israel saying that great persecution is happening to Christians from the Jews when in reality the worst persecution that's happening to real Christians is actually coming from the Catholic church and Islam. But no one wants to say that.

Andy Woods: Well, here's something else people don't want to say, James. The incursions of this anti-Old Testament mindset into our Protestant circles. One of our famous leaders within the Protestant movement—I don't know if you want me to call his name out or not.

James Kaddis: Go ahead. You're going to say Andy Stanley.

Andy Woods: Yeah, Andy Stanley says we need to unhitch from the Old Testament. Another, this one will probably hit closer to home so I'll let you make the call whether you want me to call his name out.

James Kaddis: Go ahead. Call it out.

Andy Woods: Brodersen, Brian Brodersen basically said you can understand the Old Testament from what has been revealed in the New Testament. So therefore don't teach like Chuck Smith, his father-in-law, taught the Calvary Chapel movement to teach. Don't teach the Old Testament verse by verse because you can understand the Old Testament by what's already revealed in the 27 books of the New Testament, in which case I would say then why did God give us an Old Testament? He gave us 39 books.

James Kaddis: And by the way, look at what it's done. Look at what it's done to Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa. He took it over and he did exactly what the leftists do. He destroyed it. That's what they do. They tear things apart and that level of darkness and by the way, he is completely, completely on the side of the anti-Zionist sentiment. That's the darkness.

Andy Woods: Yeah, Brodersen basically made a statement recently that Israel in the land today, we don't know what it is. Kind of an apathetic agnostic type of statement.

James Kaddis: It's the Tucker Carlson argument. Who is the Jew? Who's the real Jew? It's the same thing. It's dark and it's evil.

Andy Woods: Yeah. So the truth of the matter is people need to take God at his word. Understand the New Testament in light of what has already been revealed in the Old Testament. God did not do the old switcheroo. He did not suddenly cancel Israel. It's like you're married to someone and suddenly they tell you, well, you know, I don't want to be married to you anymore. I found someone better. I mean, that's what their theology is saying related to God. And God, humans could act that deceptively, but God can't because he is not a deceiver. Earlier you talked about how Allah is a deceiver. The God of the Bible is not a deceiver. It's impossible for God to lie. That's why as we follow him, he tells us thou shalt not bear false witness. As our character is supposed to imitate and emulate him. So Boller, Carlson, Bannon, you go right on down the list. They have bought into a theology where God is a liar and the Old Testament somehow reneges—rather the New Testament reneges on what the Old Testament says.

James Kaddis: Yeah, and I want to just not that I want to take away from that point because that point is really incredible. I want to go back to Brian Brodersen for a second because I want to make myself clear about Brian. There's very little I agree with him on. I don't think he—look, I'm not even going to get into how dark so much teaching that's come out of his mouth actually is. But I do want to say something kind of interesting. It's something I want to ask you guys to pray for.

We just found out not that I don't agree with Brian—I don't agree with his son, I don't agree with a lot of the nonsense that's coming out of his ministry—but I heard that his son-in-law had a massive heart attack. His name is Michael Smith. I don't know Michael. I don't know who he is, but I do know that that is the husband of one of his daughters and I want to beg you guys to please spend some time praying for him. I know I have. Pray that he's healed. Pray that there is nothing medical with him that lingers that causes any lasting pain. I know that he's a pastor at a church on the East Coast, but please pray for him because I know that he's close to Brian and Cheryl and obviously close to their daughter. They're married. Please just pray for him. It's word that we got yesterday and I've been meaning to actually put out a post asking people to pray. Not that I because I don't agree with them not one bit. I don't agree with Brian one bit, but please pray for his son-in-law. I just thought I would mention that.

Might as well do that now since we mentioned him. I didn't know that we were going to even mention him, but might as well bring that out in the open. But going back to what you said, this is all true. Every last bit of this, bro, is 100% right on target. And I think that the best thing that we can do, like the literal best thing that we can do is to throw an all-call out to pastors to tell them to start exposing this stuff and to start talking about it. We have to.

Andy Woods: Yeah. And the other thing is, and the Calvary Chapel guys know this more than anybody, but I'm just going to say it to all the pastors out there. Quit goofing around. Quit doing all this stupid topical stuff that you guys teach every week. Quit doing the three points and a poem and start teaching the Bible verse by verse, please. As a matter of fact, I'm not even asking you to do it. I'm telling you that God commands you to do it. You'll see that in 2 Timothy chapter four, verse two. Because that's our only way out of this. We've got to get our shepherds back to teaching the full counsel of God's word because all of these issues that we're facing today with anti-Semitism and God is through with Israel, those issues would not have sea legs if our churches were teaching the full counsel of God's word.

James Kaddis: Amen to that. Amen to that. Okay, final word, bro. I'm going to give it to you. What say you?

Andy Woods: Well, I would say this. The bottom line to this whole discussion is Satan hates Israel. Revelation 12, verses 6 through 17 makes that exquisitely, exceptionally clear. God loves Israel. Revelation 12 makes that clear as well. Satan's agenda is to wipe out Israel. God's agenda is to preserve Israel. And I would just ask people out there, what side do you want to take in this conflict? I mean the moment you start liking, subscribing, sharing somebody's podcast that attacks Israel constantly, you're taking a side in the angelic conflict. And as for me and my house, the issue is not is God on my side. The issue is am I on God's side. And I want to be on God's side at the end of the day. So whatever influence I have, whatever platform I have, I'm going to use it to speak up on behalf of the Jewish people and the Jewish nation. And there probably isn't a time in history where they've needed it more than right now. And so I would just encourage people to get on the correct side of the angelic conflict. And if you don't understand what side God is on, read your Bible chronologically and you'll see it.

James Kaddis: Which by the way, that's the other thing that Tucker's trying to attack. He's trying to attack linear history. I agree with you wholeheartedly. May we continue to walk down that path. Thank you so much, bro. And folks, I do sincerely hope that you enjoyed listening to this or watching it as much as we've enjoyed making it. On behalf of the great Andy Woods, I love you guys. God bless you. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Countdown to Eternity. And get out there and fight the good fight. We love you guys.

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