Countdown 2 Eternity

James Kaddis: Welcome once again to Countdown to Eternity with Pastors James Kaddis and Tom Hughes. A weekly radio ministry from Calvary Chapel Signal Hill. Together, Tom and James examine current events and connect what's going on in our world to Bible prophecy. Let's lean in and listen.

James Kaddis: Well, hello my dear brothers and sisters, I want to welcome you to another episode of Countdown to Eternity. And we are in for a big history lesson. Not only a big history lesson, but the world is going nuts. It's going insane. And I'm going to say this right from the very beginning. Yes, of course, I'm with the great Tom Hughes, but we both believe that we are getting closer to a revived Roman Empire. We're not setting dates. We're not telling anybody what's happening. But boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, are we seeing history repeat itself in one way and we're seeing precedent being broken in another.

Tom Hughes: Yep. James, we this is going to be a wild program. I can't wait. It's going to be exciting because I'll get you fired up when you start talking in your Farsi or Arabic or whatever it is you're talking in.

James Kaddis: It's Farsi, bro. I'm not Persian.

Tom Hughes: What's wrong with you? I just I wasn't sure you seem to know everything.

James Kaddis: Have you lost your Farsi mind?

Tom Hughes: I thought you knew more than you know. So, I gave you too much credit. I thought you spoke in various languages. Sorry.

James Kaddis: I do. I do, but I don't dare to speak in the tongue of the enemy. Sorry, pal.

Tom Hughes: Okay. Hey, you know what's really cool. I know we're going to get to 10 kings, the 10 toes. We're going to get into Europe and all of this stuff.

James Kaddis: Yeah. Oh yeah. Yep.

Tom Hughes: But this is really cool and something people need to remember with the Bible. Isaiah chapter 19 is very clear because of the oppressors. What happens? Egypt turns to the Lord of Israel. Egypt does. And Assyria and Assyria was a larger territory. If you look at that, what Assyria encompassed, we know that also you have Ammon, I think it's Ammon and Edom. Is that correct? That also turns to the Lord, which would be in modern state Jordan. So, you look you start looking at these things and you go, wait a minute, as the epicenter is obviously Jerusalem and Israel, you start to find out there's all of these Arabic and Muslim influenced people groups that end up turning to the Lord of Heaven. Folks, that is what the Bible actually teaches, because James and I are going to get some wild stuff and we're going to show a real a real James going to show a real ugly side. Because let's go to Can we go to Thomas Jefferson right now or do you want to say something else?

James Kaddis: Yeah. Yeah. Let's have the conversation. You know, that's an important one. No, no, no. Let's do it. This is one that I've spent so much time looking into and talking about that all of this is at the top of my head and and the facts are not even difficult for me to recall.

Tom Hughes: Oh, cuz I'm going to get you wound up about Thomas Jefferson first of all. This is going to be great. So, Thomas Jefferson and go ahead.

James Kaddis: Yeah. No, no, go ahead. Ask me. Ask me what you want to ask.

Tom Hughes: Thomas Jefferson and the whole issue with Islam and the Barbary pirates and all of that stuff. Okay. Wait, I'm going to say something first because I got to get you wound up. So, I know the history on it, right? And I'm looking at this going, okay, this is why Thomas Jefferson says, hey, you need to read the Quran. Why he read the Quran? Because of this. So, check this out, James. I decided to go to chat GPT. And I asked chat GPT. Why did Thomas Jefferson read the Quran and tell other people, you need to read the Quran. You want to know what it said? It's not what people are think. It's not what what what people are saying about Thomas Jefferson saying Islam is a problem. It's that he wanted to understand the people better to be able to get along. And I said that's not true. I got into an argument with chat GPT. I got into a full on argument and it would not capitulate, which shows me that artificial intelligence is already being surpassing the place of being influenced by people like us. And it's going to it's already going to those who have created it to say, Islam is good and it's about peace, which will take us eventually over to Europe and the rise of 10 kings in a minute. But that's that's what chat GPT said, James, when when I did it. That's exactly what it said.

James Kaddis: Yep. Yep. Yep. 100%. Oh yeah. Yeah. And I bet I bet you if you ask chat GPT whether or not Thomas Jefferson actually believed the Bible, it'll tell you a bunch of lies about that.

Tom Hughes: Oh, I'm sure it will. I could ask I could ask it right now.

James Kaddis: I'd guarantee you. You do it. I'd be I'd be really curious to know.

Tom Hughes: Okay, let's see what it says. All right, I'm going to do this everybody. Ready? Here we go. Pull it up here. Come on. Wouldn't you know, it's opening slow while we're doing this.

James Kaddis: Yeah, go figure.

Tom Hughes: What was Thomas Jefferson's belief about the Bible? I'll read you the answer. Okay. This is what she had a complex and highly unconventional view. He believed the Bible contained both profound moral teachings and human added distortions rather than accepting it as authentic teachings of Jesus, accepting it rather than accepting it as fully divine and infallible. Jefferson saw a mix of authentic teachings, supernatural elements, admiration of Jesus, rejection of miracles, which which you know, you look at the things there. Uh the virgin birth miracles, the resurrection. Uh creation of his own version of the gospels. His own version of the gospels.

James Kaddis: He's saying that he wrote his own Bible. It's such so many lies.

Tom Hughes: Okay, let's let's let's roll from here. I cuz I want to get to the Barbary pirates. If we work on that, but the the the truth on what was really going on with that and Thomas Jefferson and Islam at that time.

James Kaddis: Yeah. So, so, what's happening is liars like Tucker Carlson and many others are saying that what the president is doing, especially in the Strait of Hormuz is unprecedented, that no president would ever do something like this. Of course, Tucker adds a whole new dimension to it when he's talking about how dare you be a Christian and and and mock Islam, especially on Easter. No, no decent person would ever mock Islam, which by the way, thank God that the president has the know-how and the ability to understand how the use of a phrase, "Praise be to Allah," could work to the advantage of the United States of America. And as a matter of fact, I'm I'm actually shocked that the president did not go so far as to say, "Praise be to Allah, my brother," because that whole the use of that phrase has everything to do with the slap in the face of the Shiites while at the same time throwing the black Muslim movement in their face because they hate black people. And the president knows it.

Tom Hughes: So, why why did why is it that so many black people go to the way of Islam?

James Kaddis: Bro, it relates to a series of lies that get communicated because there's a certain aspect of black Islam, the Black Islamic movement that is attractive. There's a structure mechanism built into it. There's a discipline mechanism built into it. And with so many black families without fathers in the home, it becomes very attractive to people. The idea that you're required to dress up nicely, take good care of yourself, live a disciplined life, uh stand together for a common cause, all of those things are very, very important to the eventual place that these brothers go to when they say, "Praise be to Allah." And it's an amazing thing, especially considering the fact that most of Islam hates black people. Yeah, it's a whole other case.

Tom Hughes: That's it? The whole slave trade and everything. You just go, wait a minute.

James Kaddis: The Barbary pirates is all about that.

Tom Hughes: So, okay. So, let's just go from here to Thomas Jefferson. Okay.

James Kaddis: Okay. So, so, they're saying it's unprecedented. You don't mock Islam. Look, we we watched it. The prophet Elijah, what did he do? He mocked the prophets of Baal. We can talk about King David.

Tom Hughes: That's great. I like that. That's great. Yes.

James Kaddis: It's truth. But it's a truth. It's truth. Where's your God? Is he taking a dump? I mean, that's pretty much what's what's what's being said.

Tom Hughes: I know. Next time I'm in Israel, by the way, I expect to be there in Israel in in October. We just had to cancel our recent one. Expect to be there in October. When I go to Carmel, I'm going to quote you there. That is 100%. And I'm going to No, that cuz that's so good because it connects with what Tucker Carlson just said.

James Kaddis: That's great. Oh, yeah. Totally.

Tom Hughes: You can't be a Christian and do that.

James Kaddis: That's ridiculous. That's great. Yeah. Thank you. Tucker Carlson is not ignorant, he's ignent, okay? But that's a whole other story. So, um, I think that there's a remarkable historical precedent uh that the president is actually following and you have to consider a moment of time when President Jefferson is presiding over the country, okay? You have to go back to 1801. This is super, super important. This is um, Thomas Jefferson finds himself in a situation where the Barbary pirates were not just a bunch of random criminals, okay? They were a state sponsored. listen me when I say this, a state sponsored Islamic power that was operating out of North Africa. They were based in countries like Tripoli, Algiers, uh Tunis, Morocco, that whole part of the northern coast, especially closer to the western side, okay? They operated under heavy, heavy Ottoman Empire influence. Super heavy. They were legitimized by the Ottoman Empire. So, you go back to Turkey. There's a lot of roots that's based in that. Their system was super simple, okay? It was seize ships in the Mediterranean and the Atlantic, enslave the crews and then basically demand tribute payment from nations to avoid uh uh uh future attack. That was that was the rule. So, this was not a small scale piracy mechanism like we see the Yemeni Houthis doing in the Red Sea. This was a major operation. It was organized extortion on a very, very global scale. For as global as it could get. The entire economies of whole nations were completely affected by these people. And here's the key point. Like like you just you have to you have to understand this. Most of Europe was paying them off. Okay? Britain was paying tribute to them. France, the French, we we, they were paying tribute, surprise, surprise. The Spanish, the Spanish were paying them tribute, openly. And even smaller nations paid protection money. It wasn't as much as some of the bigger nations, but they were doing it and it it is a long list. So, the logic was that they carried, well, it's cheaper to pay than it is to fight. So, the United States even, this is something historians don't want to admit, but the United States even initially followed the same pattern, um right after independence had been achieved. That was George Washington who made that decision. He made that decision, of course, because he recognized the fatigue in Americans to be fighting after the um uh uh uh revolutionary war. He knew that that was going to be a problem, so he paid tribute. He paid to protect American shipping. But Jefferson comes into play and he completely rejects that model. Completely.

Tom Hughes: Which, by the way, is interesting, because when Jefferson comes in,

James Kaddis: Which, by the way, it's interesting because when Jefferson comes into office, a lot of people thought there at in Pennsylvania that Washington would walk just march in with all of his people, take Jefferson uh and make him prisoner, while he just continued to rule, and that didn't happen. There was the really amazing transfer of power that took place. Even though Jefferson was already known to oppose Washington in areas like this. So, you have to ask this question, why did he reject the model? You you like it's it's it's a very important question to ask. Because it's it's the it's there's a smooth path when you pay these people off. It's go almost like a uh uh uh uh uh you know, a live and let live. Well, he understood something super critical. Like really critical. He recognized that if you pay tribute to these Muslims, they're not going to create peace. Okay? That they're actually going to get stronger. It funds and strengthens the threat. They knew that. So, when Tripoli demanded increased payments, which eventually happened because Jefferson said it would happen, Jefferson pretty much told them to go shove it.

Tom Hughes: So, okay.

James Kaddis: And as a result, Tripoli declared war on the United States of America. And Jefferson's response was to deploy the naval force, which by the way, engaged uh very, very heavily against them. There was a massive military engagement instead of him choosing to submit. And this was the very first Barbary War that everybody talks about. Now, this materially became very significant because it was the first time any major Western nation refused this um what we would call this uh uh uh systemic if you want to call it extortion. Like it was just gone. It broke the psychological hold that existed on these nations that felt like we have no choice to pay. So, it proved a couple of things, very important principles that the Europeans have forgotten about. Okay? It proved that these regimes could uh be literally confronted, that you could go deal with them. That's why the president said, Allahu Akbar. You know, he didn't quite say that. He said, glory be to Allah or praise be to Allah, which is way more effective than him saying, Allahu Akbar, right? The other thing is, it proved that they could be stopped. They they like they were not unstoppable. And listen, this was the view that they had. Tribute was inevitable. Like you had to pay this tax. So, that decision completely reshaped the way the international world developed their expectations. They began this very long process of ending uh state sponsored terrorism, ending state sponsored precedent to go out there and beat these pirates. It established, by the way, a pretty important precedent that taught them, you don't negotiate with systemic coercion. You don't you don't negotiate with terrorists. What you do is you dismantle it. So, if you bring it forward now, this is the relationship, and I think we cannot forget these principles, and this is why I praise what President Trump is doing. The Strait of Hormuz is the modern day Barbary Coast.

Tom Hughes: That's well, that's what I wanted to say. If you look at the dynamic, Iran says, uh, you're going to pay tribute if you're going to come through here, and Trump saying, no, we're not. In fact, we're eating that. I mean, it's just it's so fascinating. And the fact you can't negotiate with terrorists. Anybody knows you can't negotiate with a bully. You I mean, you learn that when you're in like first grade.

James Kaddis: 100%. Yep. Yeah.

Tom Hughes: Once you start capitulating, the mob, this is how the mob ran New York, right?

James Kaddis: 100%.

Tom Hughes: You you look at this, this how the government works. Is it's like we're we're so you start looking at these and up, okay. You look at that. So, Thomas Jefferson says, okay, he goes, he goes on a rescue mission too. He says, 100%. We're not putting up with this stuff.

James Kaddis: Yep.

Tom Hughes: So, he goes.

James Kaddis: And Jefferson Jefferson was one of the major promulgators of the fact that the signing of the Declaration of Independence was a 25-year, I think it was a 20-year, um, like a, uh for lack of a better term, a hold off where he said, we must get rid of slavery within this time. And so, um, he knew that fighting in the Barbary Coast would solve a lot of that problem. And if you think about it, Iran is the equivalent of the state-level piracy that had this ideological backing. It's the same kind of a thing. So, the principle is the same. You confront it early, or you submit to it later. And so, it was either they are going to become slaves. There were there were 16,500 black slave traders in America when we had started our country. They were mostly inspired by Muslims. And they hated black people. So, none of this is new. This is history repeating itself at a much higher scale. And that's why the war is necessary.

Tom Hughes: Yep.

James Kaddis: That's why what the president is doing is super important. He didn't create this problem. The war exposed the problem.

Tom Hughes: Yep. And Islam has been able to grow into two billion people. Well, what? And you'll okay. So, with Jefferson, he says, okay, here's I'm going to read the Quran. I'm going to read what is it that makes these people do what they do. He tells other people to read it. Yet chat GPT tells me, oh no, no, no, you have it all wrong.

James Kaddis: Oh, yes. Wow. Yeah.

Tom Hughes: No. This is what Jefferson did because of this. He was not trying to let's just do a big group hug and get along. He understood everything that you just said.

James Kaddis: Yeah. Jefferson wanted people to see the inevitability of the aim of Islam.

Tom Hughes: And that was 1800.

James Kaddis: 1800.

Tom Hughes: So, here we are, 200 and some years later. And people are saying, let's just do a big group hug. You you you can you can trust all these people.

James Kaddis: Yep. And bro, the the idea of these people saying that Trump's uh tweet on Easter was deranged is completely forgive me for saying this, it's stupid. It's it's one of the biggest lies actually being pushed. His messaging was not random. Okay? I want to make myself clear. It was very targeted, it was uniquely intentional. He didn't just like sit on the toilet and go, I'm really mad at them and I'm going to write something crazy. It was directed at one audience and one audience alone, and that's Iran's leadership. In that region, people don't get this, right? Strength is not optional. It's the only language that people understand. So, his statements were designed to project unpredictability and overwhelming force. That's why he did what he did. It was strategic deterrence. I mean, that's the whole purpose for it. It wasn't instability. The reality here is super, super important. He wanted them to know, you think that our vital interests are being threatened, but I'm here to tell you that I'm going to run you over. The United States of America must demonstrate a willingness to act decisively. That's why he did what he did. I don't think people understand that.

Tom Hughes: Okay. And as we look forward to what's taking place. We we can see the dynamic shifting. Uh Europe, not every single nation in Europe has opened their borders to Islam. Poland has has completely shut that down from the beginning.

James Kaddis: 100%.

Tom Hughes: But but many of the nations over there, they've they're they're they're completely they're being decimated by the yeah. The UK's in deep trouble.

James Kaddis: Gone. Gone.

Tom Hughes: Yeah. Okay. So, as we look at this, we see the dynamic change. And let let me read this, James. You'll you'll appreciate this quite a bit. You'll be able to speak a little bit more to it. British citizenship test now requires applicants to know the difference between Ed Al Fitter, did I say that right? And Ed Al Ada?

James Kaddis: Uh Al Ad Al Adha meaning meaning the the holidays of Ramadan.

Tom Hughes: And of Ramadan? Yes. So, check this out. Here's here's the questionnaire, right? Which festival celebrates the end of Ramadan when Muslims have fasted for a month? You have four choices. Hanukkah, uh Vaisakhi, which I'm not sure what that is. Eid al-Adha?

James Kaddis: Yeah. Eid al-Adha.

Tom Hughes: Or Eid al-Fitr, Fitr.

James Kaddis: Yeah. Eid al-Fitr. Yeah.

Tom Hughes: Yeah. So, which one? So they throw Hanukkah out there. So you can click on it. Wow. So, this it. So, check this out. Peter Hitchens, right?

James Kaddis: Wow. Wow. I didn't even hear this story. That's so crazy.

Tom Hughes: A a decade ago, Peter Hitchens warned that the atheist campaign to expel Christianity from Western public life would not produce a neutral secular vacuum, but would instead open the door to something else entirely. When they drive Christianity out of Europe, as they've they're rapidly succeeding in doing, they will not create an atheist paradise, they will leave space for Islam. 10 years ago, Peter Hitchens said that.

James Kaddis: Wow. Wow. Yeah. I mean, you want to talk about prophecy, bro. Like, can it get more prophetic than that?

Tom Hughes: No. So, you fast forward.

James Kaddis: I wonder if he even thought of Islam, bro. That's that's crazy.

Tom Hughes: All right. So, as we look at Europe as rapidly changing and you go and you see I mean, you see Kier Starmer, you see these leaders in Europe that are just literally bowing to all things Islam. And you go, this is this is astounding. This is more of the conditioning that is taking place to bring about this empire. So, when we look at what's going on with Iran, the Strait of Hormuz, we got we we got the West, we got Russia, China, we talked about those things last time. And then you look at what's going on with Europe and you start to see, oh, all these chess pieces are being moved, or all of the pieces are being put into their proper place, because the the curtain for the tribulation is soon going to be lifted on the stage and all the players need to be in their place that God has determined beforehand where they're going to be.

James Kaddis: Oh, bro. And it's so obvious. Like, if you see what's going on in Europe right now, it it it cannot get more obvious. It it cannot. And you know the funny thing about this is, bro, like I am I am shocked at the rhetoric that people are throwing out about the ineffectiveness of of this war. Uh I don't know if you ever listened to Abu Ali, he's the there's a lot of genius uh stuff that he comes up with. I think he's a great regional analyst. Look at look at some of the stuff that's come out of this. He gives this list, stuff that's come out of this war so far. And I'm going to and and I'm going to read this to you directly because there's a point behind this, okay? That goes to our 10 kings argument, okay? Look at some of the major achievements. Elimination of Iran's supreme leader, removal of multiple senior leader tiers, uh destruction of Iranian navy, destruction of Iranian air force, collapse of air defense systems, massive reduction of missile launch capabilities, destruction of missile production chain, severe damage to nuclear related infrastructure, uh collapse of major industrial sectors, like steel or a petrochemical sectors, right? Destruction of military bases and IRGC infrastructure, damage of transportation and energy systems, elimination of thousands of regime forces. Regional deterrence has increased as a result. These are his point outs, right? Iran significantly weakened as a regional power, Gulf states are shifting further against Iran, and by the way, positioning themselves in support of Israel, while at the same time aggressively standing against Europe. It's it's kind of funny to see that, right? Israel and US military cooperation demonstrated at historic levels, global recognition of alternative trade routes to bypass Hormuz, which we're seeing happening right now. And I'm telling you guys, this degradation of Iran's warmaking uh capacity is changing the position of Europe. And now they're beginning to align in ways they've never aligned before, and don't be surprised if we begin to see more and more of these mechanics that go into this revived Roman Empire.

Tom Hughes: It is. Okay. you just said about 50 different things.

James Kaddis: Yeah, I know.

Tom Hughes: And we don't have 50 extra minutes to talk about all of them. Okay, there's alternative pipelines. Saudi Arabia, it's Saudi Arabia that that uh says they're now got what? Seven? How many how many barrels a day? Seven million or something like that?

James Kaddis: Yep. And utilizing the Red Sea to deliver it while basically smashing the living heck out of the Houthis.

Tom Hughes: Okay. So, while they are are there more of those being built?

James Kaddis: Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah, as a matter of fact, the big pipeline right now that they're building is the one that goes right next to uh Naom, uh where they're basically running it in through Israel out into the Mediterranean. And the end portion of that pipe was owned by Iran.

Tom Hughes: Now, that one goes to Haifa? Or is that the one that goes to Gaza?

James Kaddis: No, that's right. That's the Haifa one.

Tom Hughes: That one so that one was in play in 1957. And and people and 1957 everybody. That's how long.

James Kaddis: Yes. Most people don't know that history, by the way. I'm sure like I'm not shocked, but it is kind of cool to see that you you understand that. It's it's yeah, it's it's unbelievable.

Tom Hughes: Yeah. So, when you when you look at that, you go, wait a minute, this shows how God plays a long game. His desire is that none should perish, that all will come to repentance. However, he won't strive with man forever. So, this is how long these things have been going on. If we click if we if we take the clock back to 1948, we can see, okay, we have a pipeline from 1957 planned for this day.

James Kaddis: Oh, yeah. 100%. Yep. That's remarkable. Yeah.

Tom Hughes: All right. So, we have this. We have other things that are also we have the Al-Faw port in um.

James Kaddis: Yeah. Al-Faw.

Tom Hughes: Al-Faw. Yeah, that's that's in Southern Iraq. And they're calling it. they're calling it. I'm sure you've seen it. They're calling it Babylon.

James Kaddis: Yep. The gateway to Babylon. That's right.

Tom Hughes: So, they're calling it. Babylon is slightly north of Al-Faw. That's what they're calling it. They're calling it the gateway, the shipping gateway into Babylon.

James Kaddis: I don't know if that's a coincidence.

Tom Hughes: All right. Then we look at this. As we see the different dynamics that are taking place with these world powers, we go to Daniel chapter two. Daniel chapter two, it comes to the end of the vision of Nebuchadnezzar. Daniel gives the interpretation. And we we come down to the feet that are partly the last days empire, partly iron, partly clay. It says, whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of the potter's clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided, yet the strength of the iron shall be in it. But just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay and and as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. As iron as you saw iron mixed with uh ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men, but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay. In the days of these kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, and the kingdom shall not be left to other people and shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. And that's talking about the Lord when he crushes that final empire of 10 kings. And so, it's a reminder for all of our viewers, the kingdom of antichrist only lasts for a maximum of seven years. That's a very short empire. But it's going to be fierce, it's going to be wicked, it's going to be powerful. It's going to be partly strong and partly weak. It was H.G. Wells who wrote about a hundred years ago. He said that many will will protest against the New World Order and will die while they are protesting it. So, what we are seeing and H.G. Wells was a big time globalist. That's what he wanted. He saw he saw what we would call a beast empire. That's what he saw. And that's what he wanted. H.G. Wells wanted that. Okay. With that, God says, it's going to be partly strong and partly weak. There's going to be protest against it. Hence we have uh as you read Daniel, for example, we know antichrist doesn't have victory over parts of of uh Jordan. He doesn't have victory over parts of the Middle East. But he rises up out of Revived Roman Empire, out of Europe. And as we see these dynamics taking place, James, right now, we see partly strong, partly weak. We can see the protesters, but we can see is it going to be a nationalistic Last Days Empire? Is it going to be a what's it going to be? And it's just fascinating.

James Kaddis: Yep. Yep. That's right.

Tom Hughes: And it and you and you bought it up because it's really important. You you you brought up the lack of cohesion.

James Kaddis: Um I forgot exactly how you said it, but you have to look at this. Like, if you're going to read Daniel chapter two, I think it's like 41 and uh 41, 42 and 43. If you're if you read that, um you have to ask yourself, okay, like what is it describing? And you said it, right? It's it's this final, whatever you want to call it. This final organization. Some people are say regional uh sections. Some people say it's actually a connected group of nations in Europe. I I tend to lean more that way. But there's this final kingdom that's connected directly to Rome, right? And we see it. It's right in front of us. It's a system that's partially strong, iron, can't get stronger than that, right? And then a system that is, here's the operative word. You have to throw this word out. This is the important one, right? Fragile. You you can't say weak, you have to say fragile. So, it's a union that tries to hold together, but never completely uh uh bonds. And we know that. Why? Because if you connect this to Europe right now, you see what's going on. We're seeing it happening right now. Strong nations have ton of power. Britain, France, all these, they're strong, but there's no cohesion. Like they're they're literally fragile. Like there's a there's there there are these massive elements of instability. Congratulation, Islam. Congratulation, you qualify as the clay. You mean, you you literally qualify as the as the as the elements that create the fragility that exists within the iron. So, all these uh constant attempts that exist to try to unify they're trying to do it politically. They're trying to do it on an economic level. And dare I say, they're even beginning to talk about military, right? They're they're trying to do it that way. But guess what? We know this is going to happen. They never fully hold together. That's why they have to concede their power to the Antichrist.

Tom Hughes: Oh, totally.

James Kaddis: So, I I it's just it's it's crazy. And if you look at what's going on right now, it's happening. Like we're seeing it. The final system that we know is coming, this whole iron mixed with clay. They're going to look like they're together. They're going to look unified. They're going to look like they're functioning together really, really well. They're even going to concede power, but it's in like underneath, it's inherently unstable.

Tom Hughes: Oh, totally. And as we as we we look at this, James, we got to keep the nation of Israel as the remembering it's the epicenter.

James Kaddis: 100%.

Tom Hughes: And we're going to we see a rise of 10 kings. We wonder, remember everybody, we can't have a a beast until you have the beast empire. The beast empire is these 10 kings. So, we're we're watching this develop. We have, I think, James, I think next time we should do a program on Babylon. What exactly is it because people think it's New York. They say it's Rome. They say it's all these different things. I think we should deal with that. We obviously need to deal with Israel, a couple of other. You know what else we need to deal with some day? Is UFOs.

James Kaddis: Oh, yeah. That'll be an interesting one. That that's we're going to have to spend some time in Ezekiel on that one. That that's that's for sure.

Tom Hughes: Ezekiel saw a wheel roll away in the middle of the sky. Okay.

James Kaddis: Yeah. We're going to we'll spend some time on that one.

Tom Hughes: All right. So, back to the rise of the 10 kings. It's remembering this and the Bible's very clear that in the last day, these 10 kings are going to rise up. They give their power and authority to the beast. So, this is why this is why we talk about this. And these are the things that we see developing. I James, I can't keep up with this. Things are happening so fast.

James Kaddis: Yep. Yep. It's wild. It's wild.

Tom Hughes: So fast. I I feel like I'm completely behind. What what's going to happen tomorrow? We'll find out.

James Kaddis: Yeah. I we just don't know. We just don't know. We have we have literally no idea. We can be in the thick of it and we still won't know just because there's so much going on.

Tom Hughes: It it is and it's happening so fast. It's just a reminder of what God tells us. I I will show you things which must suddenly take place. That we're shortly in Revelation chapter one means suddenly. So, when it starts to happen, it's going to be it's going to be like boom. That's what we're watching. And we're still not there. We're Folks, we're not at the first seal of the tribulation, nor the second seal, nor the we're not there yet.

James Kaddis: Bro, I remember being I remember being at your church where I'm enjoying stadium pizza before we go into the evening service.

Tom Hughes: You remember the name of it.

James Kaddis: And your and your and your guy sends you a letter. This is like from I think he's in Europe somewhere. He sends you a letter and he basically says what he predicts is going to end up happening as this whole thing is going on with uh with the disease, with the sickness.

Tom Hughes: Oh, that was.

James Kaddis: Oh, yeah.

Tom Hughes: That was early on.

James Kaddis: Oh yeah. And you're reading this and I'm like, no way. It's never going to get that extreme. And then sure enough, bro, within an hour, you got a phone call before you went up. You got a phone call from a person who goes to your church that was a restaurant owner that basically said, we got a warning from the county that says, shut it all down.

Tom Hughes: Oh. Yeah.

James Kaddis: And then like, I couldn't believe how fast the whole world changed.

Tom Hughes: I couldn't either. I I it it it happened super fast and now it's I mean, think if we could go back to 2019. Just when we look at what's transpired since 2020. It is astounding. And we were talking about, well, what is it going to happen by 2025? Well, we're past that. And now we throw in AI. What's going to happen by 2030? Are we going to have a so-called fake UFO invasion? I mean, but there's not none of these things are coincidence. God is on the throne. Jesus said, see, I have told you these things beforehand. So, we would know and that's what we got to that's what we got to remember. James, there you had me. Okay. I spoke at uh men's conference for you. I think it's 2018 in San Diego. Oh yeah. And we were talking about AI back then. And you remember we said, this is coming by 2022, 2023. And everything has been spot on since then.

James Kaddis: Almost exactly.

Tom Hughes: Almost exactly.

James Kaddis: To the point where some people think we're liars.

Tom Hughes: Yeah. Yeah. So, I I look at man, we live James, we live in in in incredible days, but we got to remember not to lose heart. God is on the throne. He told us this not so we'd freak out over the signs, but we would remember what the signs point to. The signs point to Jesus. And he's and he's going to call us home. And every it should build our faith and remind us we need to get the truth out.

James Kaddis: 100%, brother. 100%. Okay, well, we're out of time. This is a good conversation.

Tom Hughes: Great. Fabulous. Can't wait till next time. So, what are we talking about next time? UFOs, Babylon, what is Babylon really?

James Kaddis: Yeah. UFOs, Babylon and and.

Tom Hughes: And we'll bring 50 other things but we need to do one on technology sometime, too. We haven't done that a long time.

James Kaddis: And we should do another conference. I know that uh.

Tom Hughes: You're you're coming to Santa Barbara.

James Kaddis: The conference that we had was really good.

Tom Hughes: Yes, I am.

James Kaddis: Yeah, Santa Barbara is going to be off the charts.

Tom Hughes: Yes.

James Kaddis: Yeah, that's a few months from now. I got to go back and look at the calendar. I don't even remember.

Tom Hughes: It it is. It's at the I think it's the end of August. It's coming up. It's going to be David's going to be there. David House's going to be there. Brandon will be there. Brandon Holthaus. Um and it's going to be a fabulous. We have a couple of other surprises coming to Santa Barbara, too. It's going to be outstanding.

James Kaddis: Okay. So, we got a little bit of time now. Yes, it's going to be fun. I I I'm very much looking forward to it. Okay, well, um I want to just put out a prayer request at the time that you guys are watching this video. We are going to be in one of the most critical stages as a church in the purchase of a new building. So, please pray for us that the Lord would just continue to provide. It's a it's kind of a big deal, so I would appreciate that. But with all that said, on behalf of the great Tom Hughes, we do sincerely hope that you've enjoyed watching this or listening to it as much as we've enjoyed making it. We love you guys. You are amazing. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Countdown to Eternity and keep fighting the good fight. We love you guys.

Tom Hughes: Amen.

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