Countdown 2 Eternity

Announcer: Welcome to Countdown to Eternity with Pastors James Kaddis and Tom Hughes. It's the weekly radio ministry from Calvary Chapel Signal Hill. James and Tom together examine current events and connect what's going on in our world to Bible prophecy. Let's lean in and listen.

James Kaddis: Well, hello, my dear brothers and sisters. I want to welcome you to another episode of Countdown to Eternity. It’s probably going to be as lit up as it was last week because I’m here with the great Tom Hughes, and he knows how to make me mad.

Tom Hughes: It is going to be lit. I am here, James, for one purpose: to make you mad. Actually, that's not true, but it's just fun to watch you engage with your passion over whatever subject it is.

So, let's get fired up. Are you ready? All right, check this out. I'm going to start with the Bible this time. I think most of your viewers, probably not all of them, but most of them, know that passage in Zechariah Chapter 12, verse 1 through 3, where it begins Jerusalem's stumbling stone. Right. The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord who stretches the heavens and so forth. Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall happen in that day, I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone.

Check this out. The NLT says this, and I find it really interesting. I read the NLT as commentary, not as pure Bible. It begins rightly with "The message concerning the fate of Israel. This message concerning the fate of Israel came from the Lord." Interesting. It helps you to understand better the burden of Israel, the burden of the Lord against Israel. The fate of Israel. And he says this in verse 2, "I will make Jerusalem like an intoxicated drink that makes the nearby nations stagger and send their armies." You look at it, it's very descriptive. The world is intoxicated. It's making them stagger.

People don't even know why they can't stop talking about them. It's like they're intoxicated with it. They don't know it. They've got no control over their mouth, although they could, they just keep spewing venom. To have this description as an intoxicated drink that makes them stagger over Jerusalem, you realize this is where we are. It hasn't been fulfilled in its entirety yet in that passage in Zechariah 12, but you can see this. I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock. The world will seek to destroy it and move it. It will be an immovable rock. James, we have a world that is intoxicated on the left and becoming more and more intoxicated over the Jew and Jerusalem on the right. When I see that in that text, I go, that explains it. That explains why we are seeing this madness that makes no sense.

James Kaddis: Actually, the way that it's worded when it comes from Hebrew is they say that it's a heavy stone, not necessarily immovable. I can understand why they would seek to translate it as immovable, but you have to leave it in its translation as "heavy stone" because the next line is super important. The next line is, whoever tries to lift it or whoever tries to carry it will be severely injured. That's literally what it means. Then, of course, God's going to destroy anybody who comes against it.

The poetry associated with the declaration that's being made is very hard for Americans to be able to see. Let me tell you why. Because at the very beginning when he talks about the burden of the Lord, you have to keep in mind how consequential that phrase is. The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel. So the idea here is when you hear "the burden of the word of the Lord" or "the burden of the Lord," oftentimes translated like that, in this case, it's the word of the Lord. The idea here is that something massive and heavy is coming down. That's what it means. In other words, God is going to bring a weighty judgment on who he talks about.

The play on words is remarkable. By the time you get to that verse in verse 3, here's the heavy word of the Lord that speaks concerning the judgment of Israel. Then the judgment of Israel in essence turns into the judgment of the world while God in his discipline of Israel preserves Israel. But in his judgment of the world, he destroys the world. So the idea here is it's a heavy word from the Lord, and the play in verse 3 is, Jerusalem will be a heavy stone that when people seek to lift it, they will be injured.

If it's an immovable stone, the implication is they won't seek to try to move it. They'll just leave it alone. But it being a heavy stone, there's something in their minds that thinks they will be able to pick it up, but they can't. God will injure them in that process. So I understand why the translator would say immovable, but it takes away the meaning of what God is saying here. It is super heavy. If you really understand the fullness of what's being communicated there, it's super eye-opening because if you hate Israel, you're anti-Israel, that right there ought to make you have loose loins, if you know what I mean when I say that. It matches very similar to Zechariah 14 as well.

Tom Hughes: I appreciate that because in my mind, I was thinking about verse 2, the intoxicated drink that causes the people to stagger. It is a perfect description because this is where we are. As you described this burdensome, massive stone that the world seeks to eliminate, it's the UN that said we need to de-Judaize Jerusalem. Good luck. Exactly. Well, I mean, that's descriptive of exactly what God is saying is going to happen. This also helps us to understand the days that we live in and how close we are, the proximity of what is coming.

As we read through the rest of it through verse 9, verse 10 is when Jesus comes back at the end of the Tribulation period. But as we read through to verse 9, for example, when you come to verse 8, "In that day, the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem. The one who is feeble among them will be like David." This is what's interesting as we watch. If you go back pre-October 7, 2023, you know David Tal really well and a lot of these other military guys, we've both met them. Most of them have told me, if you go back pre-October 7, they looked at the younger generation thinking these guys can't fight.

All of a sudden you come out around October 7, and here we are almost two and a half years later, and they're going, this is the most remarkable group of young men and young women. They not only can fight, but something has happened to their mind and to their inner being that they're saying we have never seen before. It's like God is making them into David. Granted, James and I are not saying that they believe in Yeshua yet. We're not going there. That's not what we're saying. But right now, we're saying according to this passage, God says, I'm going to bring them to that place where they will be like David and they're going to take them out.

We are watching this. I was watching an Israeli spokesperson, definitely not a believer in Yeshua, full-on ultra-Orthodox. It was a very interesting speech he gave. He starts talking and says, you need to understand something. He's talking to other Israelis. He says, you need to understand, we are watching miracles. He says, when the missiles came from Iran, it was a miracle what happened. He says, it wasn't just the Iron Dome. It wasn't because the US came and saved us. It was the hand of God. He starts out talking about the pagers and just these different things. He pointed out event after event after event. He said you need to see now what is really happening because there's not a realistic military explanation for all of the successes that Israel keeps having. He talked about the planes that had to fly over to Iran. He says, it shouldn't have worked pre-the 12-day war. He said it should not have worked. He said some of them should never have come back, but they did. Every single one of those pilots came back.

When we see this in the light of Zechariah Chapter 12, for whatever reason the world's intoxicated, they can't look away, and they're hating. They're staggering over Jerusalem. Jerusalem is this burdensome stone that the world is burdened by. They want to heave it away, but they can't. And yet what's going to happen? God is going to raise the people up like David. They're going to be like David fighting against Goliath, fighting against the thousands, the ten thousands. Isn't that what the song was? Saul has killed his thousands, but David has ten thousands. It's understanding this dynamic. How else can you explain a people where worldwide, in a world that is full of what, 8 billion people, you have a people group that is total of 16 million, 7 or 8 million in Israel in this tiny little nation? How can you explain their power and their strength and the fact that they are still here? You can't explain it except God.

James Kaddis: This is the part that is just so astounding, especially when you look at the modern-day infrastructure of Israel, especially when you look at where Iran should be and is not. When you begin to understand how it so dramatically affects the rest of the geopolitical infrastructure, it's just remarkable. I mean, if you think about what Israel has done alone, directly because of things coming out of Jerusalem, Saudi Arabia is affected. Yemen is affected. Oman is affected. Every country in the GCC is affected. Kuwait is affected, which is in the GCC. You have Iraq affected right from the southern peninsula of Al-Faw all the way to the very top where the Kurds are. Syria is affected, Turkey is affected, Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco.

Morocco of all places. Who would think that Morocco would be so affected by a stand that's going on with Western Sahara and the few words of Bibi Netanyahu? Spain is affected. I mean, what about the African Horn? Look at what's just happened in little Somalia. Look at Israel's stand in little Somalia and how it has affected what's going on in Ethiopia with the dam that sits there and how it affects water's rights in the Sinai as the Nile touches it. All of it centers around Israel. Everybody and their mama is circling around Israel. Then let's start getting into the discussion of the Baltics. Look at what's happening over there. Look at how Israel has had a remarkable effect on that. Forget Lebanon. Forget some of the areas directly north of Israel. Let's not even talk about Syria. Let's not talk about the typical candidates. How about we just start talking about all the 'stans'? Let's just talk about all the areas that are called Magog, okay? Think about that. Or even what about Cyprus? What about Greece? All these countries are so dramatically affected by the decisions that are made out of Jerusalem. It's remarkable. It's happening right in front of us, and the geopolitical implications of everything that's happening is unbelievable. It's like something none of us have ever seen.

Tom Hughes: It doesn't make sense when we look at it. Now, we are also witnessing these other dynamics that are taking place. So we do know that there's going to be increased anti-Semitism and persecution against Christians. When we start with anti-Semitism, now it's coming under the form of, well, I'm not an anti-Semite, I'm just anti-Zion. Well, to me, that's a huge problem. This is coming from people who claim to know the Bible. Well, if you know your Bible, if you actually believe what the Bible says, you would never, ever, ever be anti-Zion. Because God is the Zionist, and he's appointed his people to live in Zion.

So you look at this dynamic and you go, wait a minute, well, I'm just an anti-Zionist, who are you really against? People understand it, they'll go, well, it's the Zionist movement, they want to take over the world. Well, how much of the world have they taken over so far? Then you come up with all of these different lies, the Rothschilds, the Elders of Zion, which was a fake book written from a bunch of lies put together to go after the Jews. Then it was used by the Hitler regime to go after the Jews. But nevertheless, that's that. But these lies are constantly brought up. But what is Zion? Well, 152 times in the King James Bible, God mentions Zion favorably.

The big problem is spiritually. Satan hates Zion because God says that salvation will return to Zion when I gather back my people Jacob to Zion from where I've scattered them. Psalm 14, verse 7. That's just one of the 152 verses regarding Zion. So I look at this and go, no, it's a demonic attack, but people take this spin and they spin it to mean that. Yet we have all of these different dynamics. Israel is going to rise, Israel's going to shine, and God is going to glorify himself through Israel. He's going to.

James Kaddis: If you use the term anti-Zionism, all you're doing is singling out Jews. Yes, I recognize that there are non-Jewish people who are considered to be Zionists, but you are literally singling out Jews. There are dozens of nation-states that are created through all kinds of things: war, colonialism, and all that kind of stuff. No global movement exists to eliminate Pakistan, Turkey, Jordan, or Japan, but only the Jewish state is targeted as the prime target for eradication. When are we going to even think about it? It's a massive double standard. It's a classic marker of anti-Semitism. That's exactly how it works. By the way, have any of us mentioned recently that anti-Zionism actually erases Jewish history, which makes it anti-Semitic?

If you are an anti-Zionist, you have to claim that Jews are foreign colonizers. You also have to claim that they have no legitimate connection to the land of Israel. That denies thousands of years of documented Jewish presence by the Bible. How in the world can that happen? Culture, archaeology. Give me a break. It's all there.

Tom Hughes: But I mean, that is what they say. The Jews have no right. Here's the strange argument. By the way, before we go, do you remember you're speaking in Santa Barbara with me coming up in August? It's going to be crazy. James Kaddis, I don't look at the calendar that far ahead, but I know it's in the calendar. It's in August. Registration's already open for people who want to go, so it's pretty cool. David Tal's going to be there, Brandon Holthaus, myself. We're going to have worship. We're going to have lunch. It's going to be really good. I just thought I’d throw that out there because you're always exciting to listen to. Last year I told everybody you should have been there in Santa Barbara just to hear James Kaddis. But anyway, I don't want your head getting too big.

So check this out. Of Zion, this is just fascinating things. God says in Psalm 132, "For the Lord has chosen Zion. He has desired Zion for his dwelling place." Psalm 129, verse 5, "Let all those who hate Zion be put to shame and turned back." Isaiah 31, God says, "I will fight for Zion. The Lord of hosts will come down to fight for Zion and for its holy hill." Here's something else people say to make the ridiculous argument that the Jews, they'll say things like, well, those aren't really Jews. Well, God says I'm going to bring them back into the land. I'm going to bring them back a second time. It's as if they are there a second time. Well, that wasn't real, it shouldn't have really happened. Did God not know that Israel's going to be gathered back a second time? It wasn't through something that fell out of the sky. It was the absurdity. Oh, no, Israel got back, that wasn't supposed to happen. As if the absurdity of some thought like that coming from the mouth of God is ridiculous.

I'll gather them back a second time, they will never be uprooted. For those who say those aren't really Jews that are living in the land, well, you have a huge problem because God had to keep a people group separate and to bring them back, his people. No matter what Tucker Carlson said, he had to bring his people back into the land a second time. Isaiah wrote that before Babylon even invaded Judah the first time.

James Kaddis: He wrote it before Assyria invaded the northern Kingdom of Israel.

Tom Hughes: Exactly. Even before Assyria did the northern Kingdom. So when we start looking at it like this, you're going, okay, God had to keep a people group separate. Well, then where are his people if those aren't the Jews, right? So they are the Jews. Here's the other strange thing about it. People say those aren't really the Jews. Well, why is it that when they leave and they go to another country, people say, kill them? Why? Because they're Jews. Send them back to Israel. Well, I thought they weren't Jews. I mean, the whole thing doesn't even make any sense. Then you have Jews within, let's say, New York City. Oh, the Jews need to leave here. Well, I thought there weren't any Jews. Well, they need to go back to Israel where the Jews are. I thought you said those weren't Jews that were over in Israel. The logic of it doesn't even make any sense.

James Kaddis: It's pure insanity. It's completely ridiculous. All of the obscenities that continue to be tied with that kind of rhetoric, God is going to judge and he's going to severely judge it. So if you want to be on the wrong side of history, that's fine, you can make whatever argument you want. You can allow your hatred for Bibi to fuel your ridiculous assertions. You can allow whatever you think is your stated level of righteousness, even though your righteousness is as a filthy rag, a literal menstrual cloth. No problem, fine. You can do whatever you want, but you're going to lose. You're going to lose. So you want to ram that? Go ahead. Somehow this is going to get tied into an economic question, right? Is this going to get tied to a money?

Tom Hughes: I want to talk about money in a minute, but can I make one more comment about Israel? Because this is another thing. Israel actually in their ancient history purchased the land. Five different purchases. Yes. The Temple Mount by David with Shechem, right? Jacob's Well, that area. Abraham in Hebron in Judea. So you have Samaria and Judea. Then Jeremiah gets the property from his cousin. Jeremiah's also, he knew. Jeremiah purchased, that was a prophecy that he bought that land, knowing that his people are going to be taken captive in Babylon and coming back. And Omri in Samaria.

So you have these different purchases of land. And then when Israel comes back after 1948 and even pre-1948, guess what they were doing? Buying swampland at a they bought the property back a second time. And people say they have no right to the lies are absurd. Enough of that. I want to ask you about the economy because you just wrote a book on Revelation.

James Kaddis: Yes, sir. As a matter of fact, shameless plug, we now have it in paperback. It's going everywhere. The Last Book. That's before the next last book.

Tom Hughes: Have you been able to read any of it yet?

James Kaddis: No, I just got it in the mail the other day and then I saw you at the event with Brigitte Gabriel and haven't been able to read it yet. But you're going to be on Eric Stakelbeck and all over the place, so that's pretty cool.

Tom Hughes: Yes, as a matter of fact, if people that are watching this right now, I think it'll be around the same time you're watching it. I'll have been on Eric Stakelbeck because we're filming it right now at the time that anyway, yes, sir.

Revelation Chapter 6, you have the rider on the black horse. This is why I think we need to pay attention. That's still in the future, but we have with the black horse you have the pair of scales which shows an economy that is a global issue. It's a collapsed global economy where the people at the top are not hurt, but everybody else is just a day's wage for a loaf of bread. We get that. But we look at silver, we look at gold, this volatile market shooting up and then coming down. We're looking at all different signals in the economy. I don't care if it's real estate, if it's the tech industry, if it's the stock market, we are hearing it from everywhere where this thing is going to collapse. They've been saying it for several years. We know it's going to because of the book of Revelation. I look at it, I'm curious your thoughts because you wrote on it, but I look at it, we could have a major economic problem before we get to the rider on the black horse, before the Tribulation. But there may be a reason why it hasn't collapsed yet because it's not going to have that massive collapse until we get to the third seal, the black horse. What's your thoughts because you've written on this?

James Kaddis: My view on it is we're probably not going to see the kind of collapse that the third seal seems to insinuate until we see an introduction to the rider of the white horse. This is kind of a critical thing to be able to understand. One aspect that I think is critical to remember is right now there's a natural pattern that sits in humanity that God has shown us throughout the ages. The Bible has shown it to us. The Bible shows us, and this pattern is affirmed in Revelation Chapter 6. Revelation Chapter 6, you have the rider of the white horse. He has a crown, he has a bow, he doesn't have an arrow, which means he's a totalitarian ruler that manages to take power through people in essence giving it to him without force. And then he puts into effect destruction.

What he has to do once he wins over the hearts of people through his revoluciόn is he has to create the mechanism of war, which is the rider of the red horse. And war is costly. When war is instituted at a larger scale, war, although may create some boom economies in different areas, it for the most part destroys the economies of the average Joe. So when you get to the rider of the black horse, that is a direct result of much of the stuff that's happening within the context of what takes place with war. And it would also make sense because when you see the phrase that says don't mess with the oil and the wine, what it's basically talking about is it's talking about the preservation of a wealthy class, a ruling class that probably very likely profited off of the rider of the red horse, who then brings into effect through their actions what we know happens with the rider of the pale or green horse, as some people would call it. And the destruction is unbelievable.

The reason why Revelation Chapter 6 is so deeply consequential to us is because Revelation Chapter 6 shows us what that looks like when the church is raptured. Because with the church still being on this earth, 2 Thessalonians tells us we're the preserving force. Believers filled with the Holy Spirit are the restrainer. So if the restrainers living on this earth can watch totalitarianism over the last 100 years bring war, which brings economic collapse and death to the tune of probably 300 to 500 million people, imagine what it's going to look like when we lose four billion. The reason why we lose four billion and the reason why we see the totalitarian ruler doing what he does at the scale and the level in which he does it has everything to do with the fact that Christians are not on the earth functioning as the preserving influence.

Now, with respect to the local economy that we're seeing here, right now it's very interesting. Like right now I'm looking at a chart of the S&P and there's no indicator that tells me this thing is going to fail anytime soon. It is skyrocketing. It makes sense that it's doing what it's doing right now because you can look at all the oscillators, you can look at the stochastics, you can look at the candlestick charts. I don't care if I'm looking at a weekly, I don't care if I'm looking at a daily or even a 233-minute chart, it doesn't matter what I'm looking at, it looks to me that we are on an upswing. And it also looks to me that whatever correction we have coming is going to be one that's going to be short-lived because if we begin to have situations come in that manipulate the variables that tend to contribute to the stability of an economy while it's booming, you begin to change things dramatically. Because remember, it's the manipulation of the GDP that comes as a result of all kinds of things happening. Right now there's a major thing going on with precious metals that are very, very unique. I predicted, by the way, crypto crashing. So I feel vindicated right now, especially the way it crashed over the weekend.

But my point behind all of this is, I think as we get into the end times, as we get closer to the end times, we are going to see the economies of the stronger countries grow in ways they have never grown before. The problem with that is, it will give way to develop a lack of resiliency that will allow the function of a crash to be so significant and so severe that it's irrecoverable. We're already seeing evidence of the possibility that that might happen. We watched it when we saw some of the banks fail over the last couple of years and what actually happened with that. A lot of people don't even know the difference between FDIC insurance or SIPC insurance in the terms of traders and what people have in their own account. But the reality of it is, there is more money being made by more people than any other time in human history. And it is setting things up for some of the largest fails that we will ever see as a world.

So when we talk about the collapse of an economy, the collapse of the economy will do what the Bible says it will do. It will give way to a ruling class. And so I think more than ever, all of the things that we're seeing right now, especially on the economic front, would give every indicator that we are rapidly entering into the time that we know will exist in the last days. But that has to be predicated or at least in one way or another colored with this picture of great prosperity. And that also explains why in the Bible we read phrases like they're going to be eating, they're going to be drinking, they're going to be marrying, they're going to be given in marriage, all these things. This is why it's so critical to understand what Jesus means when he says as in the days of Noah. Because as in the days of Noah, they are seeing the signs of judgment, and in their mind, they ignore it because of how well they're doing.

Yet that same sign of judgment, like in the case of Noah, they were looking at the ark being built. They knew it had something to do with some kind of judgment. But if you were the world, you looked at that as judgment that was coming that you kind of didn't even believe would happen because of the prosperity you were experiencing at the moment. But if you were Noah, that ark was not a symbol of judgment. That ark was a symbol of salvation. So the very symbol of salvation we look to as the church, which is the Rapture, is now becoming the symbol of judgment to the rest of the world because in their prosperity and in their growth and in the economic benefit that they continue to experience, they will continue to deny the God of their fathers, thinking that everything is okay until it all comes down.

And we are seeing the modern-day Genesis Chapter 10 taking place. The modern-day Tower of Babel is happening in AI because of the bridging of languages. That's really where it's, that's really the big issue. So again, in this context, God will not show mercy on the earth by separating our languages and destroying us. He's not going to do that. God is going to show his mercy and this is a very, very important thing. He's going to judge a world. He's not going to show any mercy. He's going to give mercy to those who repented.

Tom Hughes: Right. His mercy is in the warnings of the judgments that are coming and in people who have listened and said, hey, a Rapture's going to come. And all of a sudden their best friend disappears. His mercy's going to be seen in that because some of those people are going to wake up and go, wait a minute, my friend warned me about this day. Because God is full of mercy right up until the end when the people refuse to repent. The warnings are there all throughout the Tribulation period, even with the angel that flies. I'm so glad that you mentioned that about the days of Noah and the days of Lot. They'll be eating and drinking and giving in marriage. Because I've been saying that for the longest time. Listen, it isn't just about the wickedness that was going on during the time. It's about the prosperity that was taking place because people are blinded in prosperity. And that's why you already have Americans are very soft. So when it even comes to church, it's like they don't even want the they don't want difficult passages to talk about judgment and sin. And I can't help but think while you're talking of the book of Judges where God says there rose up a generation that did not know war. In other words, they were soft, everything was good, and that's when they ended up being overwhelmed by the enemy. And that is exactly how I see it. It's in this great economic catastrophe that is going to give rise to the power class at the top, the ruling class. And that's all in your book. That's awesome.

James Kaddis: And by the way, let me just tell you this right now. People like me, forgive me for saying this, it’s going to sound very insensitive. People like me enjoy it when markets crash. When markets go down, people like me, we do well financially. I make money when markets go down, and I make money when they're sideways, and I make it when it goes up. The reason why I'm in that position where I can do that is because I take advantage of the system that the ruling class created for themselves. The market makers in the stock market created that system for themselves that when the markets crash, they have derivatives that they can buy that save them, that insure them. That's why calls and puts exist. That's why things that you have in the market exist. They exist to create for those who are making the market and participating in the market to become wealthy as a result.

So when your brilliant financial advisor tells you, oh, we had a bad crash, hold, hold, hold, hold, well you lose 14 years of your life just to get back to zero, and then you call him a genius for doing it. No, he's an idiot. But the point behind it is, and it's sad to say this, that system that I take advantage of, and that lots of people should be taking advantage of, I'm begging people to take advantage of that system, is the system that the ruling class created to create the condition that we know will exist one day in the last days. It's true. And the Bible taught me that, by the way. I do have it in my book, The Last Book, which is great. I’m not saying I’m a zillionaire, but what I am saying is that we have these financial instruments that God has made available to us through the wickedness of people.

Tom Hughes: It was Rockefeller or somebody like that who said you buy when there's blood in the streets. In other words, when everything has collapsed, that is when you buy. And everybody's selling and then everybody falls under the rulership of this elite class.

James Kaddis: Yep, and that's exactly what happens every single time. And that's why I've always believed that the Body of Christ should be more educated about these things. This year my goal has been to make the Body of Christ more financially literate so that they can prepare themselves for the coming of the Messiah. And I think that that's a really, really important thing. This is the way I explain it to people, and this is kind of an important thing to understand, okay? If you're running out of time, what would you rather do? Would you rather maximize what you do with that time, or would you rather continue to struggle by giving your time up so that you can make enough money to barely feed your family? I don't know about you, but I am going to pay as much as I can humanly pay to buy my time back. Why? Because I would much rather money work for me than me work for money because I've got Kingdom business to do. Christ could come back at any moment. I don't have any time. I'd rather be doing things like writing books, sharing the Gospel, ministering to my children, doing the things that actually matter than having to struggle for a dollar every day.

And I think that the Body of Christ needs to learn those skills that I believe God created for them because you can find them in the Bible. This is not health and wealth, this is not like talk to it you going to get paid. That's just stupid. That's con artist garbage. But my point is, is like, we're running out of time. So if we're running out of time, why aren't we taking advantage of multiplying our time? Tommy, you do it every day. You don't I actually think you do realize it, but most people don't realize it.

Like my grandfather when he used to preach the Gospel in Egypt, he was one of the most famous preachers in Egypt. Both my grandfathers were. If you were to take the one who was a pastor in Egypt for 65 years, he maybe preached a total of let's just say a thousand to two thousand, maybe even three thousand hours. Sixty-five years of his life, he maybe preached enough time for all of his stuff to carry over for a whole year to an audience of hundreds, sometimes thousands. Because of what we do in modern-day technology, we get to take the things that we do in an hour here and an hour there and four hours here and four hours there, and we turn it into in the case of my YouTube channel for example, 380,000 listening hours in a single month. That's multiplying time. That's 30 years.

So my point is, is that I think God has called us to do this. By the way, this is why Matthew 24 was so substantial to us. Because Jesus told the disciples what would happen in the last days, and then in Matthew 25 he speaks about the Parable of the Talents. The Parable of the Talents, yes you can apply it for money, sure, I mean I guess there's a good money lesson there, but the reason why the Parable of the Talents is so incredible is because Jesus spoke to a man who he condemned to hell because he did not take advantage of the time that was given to him. It had nothing to do with the money. You had you had been given something you were entrusted with, you were given a talent, and you buried it, meaning you did not use your time the way you were called to use your time. The other one who had two and the other one who had five used their time to double their resources, which means they actually cashed in, they redeemed the very time that was given to them. They used their time to do something.

And then think about this, the guy who didn't use his time at all says, well I was just fearful because you know you reap where you haven't sowed and so on and so forth. And the guy responds, the Master responds, he says, you know that I've always been that way. You know that I reap where I don't sow. Why? Because I buy time. I go to people, I have them do things, I might not necessarily sow there, but I'm reaping from it because I've leveraged my time to be able to do what God has asked me to do. That's exactly what you're doing, it's the whole reason why God called you to leave where you were at at your church and do what you're doing right now. It's the same thing that I'm doing when I do what I'm doing. We're running out of time and I want people to take advantage of that time, buy it back and use it for the Kingdom of God. That's why the Bible tells us that as we approach the last days, we're supposed to be redeeming our time because the days are getting darker.

Tom Hughes: Redeem the time because the days are evil. Indeed. Hey, you know what, that was great, but we've gone over. I had so many things I was going to ask you about. We're going to have to save them for next time. Here's one of them: you mentioned Benny Hinn is going to end up in hell. I think we need to talk about the doctrine of hell because Kirk Cameron has made it famous that there is no hell. I think we need to deal with it. A lot of Christians don't know what to do.

James Kaddis: Do you know that the Bible talks more about hell than it does heaven? To this day I still haven't heard Kirk Cameron's view. I don't know if he's like the traditional annihilationist or if he's got some of these other there's a lot of weird ideas out of there, bro.

Tom Hughes: I think we should just deal with the doctrine, what does the Bible actually say? So people know the truth no matter what anybody says. Final words?

Look up and lift up your head because your redemption draws near just as Jesus said when you see these things begin to take place. So regardless of anything, we redeem the time because the days are evil. We occupy in the passage that James was talking about. We occupy, we do business until he comes. The prophetic signs that James and I talk about, they are not there so we'll just gaze and be sensationalized. They're there so we will occupy, so we will redeem the time, and that we will press forward and we will warn others. That's why we have those things.

James Kaddis: Amen. Amen. That's good insight, bro. I love it. I love it. Okay, we really did enjoy making this and we hope that you enjoyed watching it as much as we enjoyed making it. We love you guys. Thank you for joining us for another episode of Countdown to Eternity. Tom, it's always a blessing doing this with you, bro. We are the ones that did this show together. We started this show. So it's always good to go back and hang out with you when I can. You're a blessing. All right, we love you guys. God bless you. Keep fighting the good fight.

Announcer: That's Pastors James Kaddis and Tom Hughes on Countdown to Eternity. Hear this program again at countdown2eternity.com. Countdown2eternity.com. We're also on oneplace.com and you can watch the video version of Countdown to Eternity on YouTube. In the search bar look for James Kaddis. Pastor James has a new book, it's called The Last Book, and it's based on Revelation. Now Revelation isn't a book of fear, it's a book of hope. The Last Book will give you what you need to know about Revelation, the Rapture, and the end times. And it's available right now at countdown2eternity.com or Amazon. We'd also appreciate your financial support. It helps us do what we do each week at Countdown to Eternity. There's a Give tab at countdown2eternity.com which makes it super easy to give on a one-time or regular basis. And before the day is done, check out Tom's website, hopeforourtimes.com. There are a lot of resources and ways to watch and listen and even see what's trending now. Again, at hopeforourtimes.com. Countdown to Eternity with James Kaddis and Tom Hughes is brought to you by Calvary Chapel Signal Hill.