Countdown 2 Eternity

Guest (Male): Welcome once again to Countdown 2 Eternity with Pastors James Kaddis and Tom Hughes, a weekly radio ministry from Calvary Chapel Signal Hill. Together, Tom and James examine current events and connect what's going on in our world to Bible prophecy. Let's lean in and listen.

James Kaddis: Well, hello, my dear brothers and sisters. I want to welcome you to another episode of Countdown 2 Eternity. We are at war with the state of Iran. Do we call them even a state? I'm being sarcastic, by the way. Those of you that know, know.

I'm here with the great Tom Hughes. We're going to talk about some crazy stuff that's going on right now in the Middle East. It has been a wild time. At the time that you are watching this video, we will have been at war for five or six days. At the time we're recording, it's been two or three. We just finished watching the briefing that the War Department gave us. I don't know if you saw that briefing or not. I know I saw it.

Tom Hughes: I did not see it yet.

James Kaddis: Very, very interesting. Iran appears to be falling apart. We don't know how real that will be until we find out what all the losses are in terms of the leadership. I'm hearing that many IRGC officials are dead already. I just heard a rumor that Khamenei's son is also dead, one of them. What do you think?

Tom Hughes: I think we live in amazing days, and I want to work through this because check this out, James. Now I'm going to do something really awesome. I'm going to boil your blood. Let's watch your head explode. Check it out. The Pope, you know, Pope Bob from Chicago. That guy. The Pope sends a warning to Trump. You better knock it off, or else.

So get this. You're going to love this, especially with your Egyptian background and Arab understanding. Pope Bob from Chicago, a quote, "Stability and peace are not achieved through mutual threats nor through the use of weapons which sow destruction, suffering, and death, but only through reasonable, sincere, and responsible dialogue." I mean, let that sink in. Responsible dialogue with who? In Iran. I think you've got to be kidding me.

Faced with the possibility of a tragedy of enormous proportions, I address the parties involved, that would be Trump and Iran, a heartfelt appeal to assume the moral responsibility, like the Iranian regime is going to have a moral responsibility, to stop the spiral of violence before it becomes an irreparable abyss. James Kaddis, I look at this and I'm thinking, are there that many people that are leaders in this world that are this out of touch as the Pope is?

Is he just parodying something the globalists are telling him to say, or is he actually that far out of touch along with the rest of the leadership at the Vatican? Not to mention all over the world, the leadership all over the Western world is completely inept.

James Kaddis: He could be sick in the head. It's very obvious if he isn't supposedly sick in the head and he just came up with this and he's yielding to the pressure of all the globalists, well, shame on you, you big fat hypocrite. How about we talk about this? You want to keep from violence from coming up, yet you are okay with Khamenei taking the lives of hundreds of thousands of his own people since the beginning of the year.

Exactly. You big fat hypocrite. And by the way, you'll stand up and you'll call Israel crazy because of what's happening in Gaza and all the little terrorists are dying in Gaza, yet you won't say a dang thing. Not a lick about, I mean, come on, this kind of stuff is crazy.

But here's the thing. I'll say this about the Pope. Let me just tell you this about the Pope. He doesn't know our language. He doesn't know our culture. He couldn't identify a word in the Quran if it saved his life. He doesn't understand the way the lies are being transmitted, and he doesn't have a clue.

Mr. Pope, what do you think the Quran means when it says (Arabic phrase)? What do you think it means, Mr. Pope? Do you think it means that everything is fine and dandy and we're playing around in the lilies and we're going to go and do our little sacraments? Are you flipping nuts? Are you out of your mind?

You think you're going to get power in holding on to the ancient lies that you've created and you continue to propagate? For people that don't know, that passage actually says that Allah is the chief of deceivers. So you want to have a reasonable dialogue with a group of people who say (Arabic phrase) while they're killing people. That's a reasonable dialogue, Mr. Pope?

Tom Hughes: Let me throw some more things in here because you're not wound up enough yet. How many nations has Islam come in with peace and built a nation based on a foundation of peace?

James Kaddis: Not a single one. They've literally pooped on every single one of them. They come in and trash it.

Tom Hughes: See, this is what happens when you get wound up. I can't even get a word in edgewise.

James Kaddis: When I'm in Israel and I'm cruising down one of the streets in Jerusalem, I know that I'm getting near to Bethlehem when I'm going in that direction. You want to know why I know I'm getting near Bethlehem? Because I can smell urine and feces and I can smell the smell of trash being burned.

When it was in the possession of Jews in 1993, before the PLO came in and did their destructive nonsense, when you got near Bethlehem, you could actually smell bread. The streets were beautiful.

Tom Hughes: They ain't beautiful now. Not Bethlehem. Tucker Carlson says there's a reason why, of course it's a lie, he tries to say there's less Christians in Israel now than there used to be, which is a total lie. Even the UN confronts that. The reason why there's less Christians in Bethlehem is because pre-Islam taking it over, it was 60% Christian.

James Kaddis: They left because of the PA.

Tom Hughes: Exactly, they left because of it. Okay, now let's go a little bit further.

James Kaddis: I just want to say this real quick. 38,000 Christians were in Israel when it was re-established as a nation in 1948. There's 185,000 of them now. The UN even supports that. 185,000. Well, there's more in Qatar. Okay, let's get this straight.

You may have just over 400,000 Christians in Qatar. None of them are citizens. All of them are slaves that are owned by some of these Arabs. And they go to one of six cardboard structure churches where they go and they're not allowed to proselytize or say anything. They're not Qatari. So let's just get real for a second. You liar.

Tom Hughes: He's so full of it.

James Kaddis: I don't know the numbers, you caught me. He's so full of it.

Tom Hughes: All right, now let's go a little bit further. I have a lot to ask you. I want to talk about colonization, but not yet. We're going to go here first. So you mentioned that it used to smell like bread in Bethlehem. It doesn't smell like bread anymore. Now it smells like feces and trash. Burning trash. You have not been to Israel since what year? 2018, 2019?

James Kaddis: Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, around that time.

Tom Hughes: Okay, now let me ask you this. You've been to Nazareth? It is appalling, James. It is absolutely, it will almost make you barf when you have to get off the main road to go to the precipice. The stench is so bad.

James Kaddis: I wouldn't be surprised.

Tom Hughes: That's in Nazareth. And anybody who's been there before knows Nazareth is predominantly also Muslim. It's up towards the Galilee region, so it's not necessarily considered an official part of the West Bank in the same sense. But you go there and the Christians have been predominantly driven from there. There's still some there, not very many. And Jews to live in Nazareth? You can forget it. It is awfully disgusting.

Let me ask you this. What's one of the reasons why when the Muslims have taken over these areas, it goes from smelling like baked bread and that kind of thing to seeing trash everywhere and you can smell the stench? Why is that?

James Kaddis: Demons.

Tom Hughes: The spiritual dynamic. Okay, what would be another reason?

James Kaddis: Muslims don't care about stuff like this. You say, look at these beautiful Muslim countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar and the UAE or whatever. You're not looking at people in that context who fall into that section.

But perhaps the most consequential and significant aspect of all of this is the Palestinian Authority, who claims to be the guardians of their own people, don't give a flipping rip about their people. All the money that's getting poured into them is getting put in their pockets, and the only thing they're spending money on is teaching kids how to be terrorists.

Tom Hughes: Yeah, and using it to build their own palace above all the stench. And I would even throw out another reason why it's just trash and full of stench: because they know they don't own the land. They know it's Jewish land. So therefore, let's destroy that which is Jewish. And the proof is for anybody who thinks that is not true, that's not what's really going on, proof is this: wherever there is Muslim control, if you have an Old Testament site, it'll be destroyed by the Muslims.

Everybody knows it. If the Jews or the Christians don't have control on that area, it will be absolutely, it'll be burnt, it'll be destroyed. We even saw this in the Iraq war. You have Muslims against Muslims that were destroying Egyptian artifacts. So this is the reality of it. They know they don't own it. Therefore, they must remove all history.

In fact, one of the reasons for the Temple Sifting Project, when the Muslim Waqf dug out 9,000 tons of dirt underneath the Al-Aqsa Mosque to build their other mosque, the Al-Marwani Mosque, they removed 9,000 tons of dirt. And it wasn't just to build the mosque. It was to remove all Jewish artifacts of the facts that would prove that the Jews had the land pre-2000 BC.

They didn't want any of that. So they attempted to get rid of it all, dump it in the Kidron Valley. It didn't go well for them because the Temple Sifting Project was started by Gabriel Barkay, and it just proved that the Jews really did have land. But that's what they sought to do, destroy even underneath the Temple Mount because of that very reason. Throw the trash because they don't own it. Destroy all of the archaeology sites. And you know darn well they would love to destroy the City of David, because the City of David pretty much exposes the truth of everything that's there.

James Kaddis: In a heartbeat they would do it.

Tom Hughes: Did you see that missile that landed in the Hinnom Valley? It landed in the Hinnom Valley. It didn't explode. It landed in the Hinnom Valley, and for anybody who doesn't know where the Hinnom Valley is, it's where Judas hung himself. It's between the City of David on the downside and the Zion Gate going up towards the north, up towards the Jaffa Gate. It's in that valley down below there. That's Hinnom Valley. A missile landed there.

What do you think they were aiming at shooting that close? Because if that was just over, it was only 500 meters from the Temple Mount. If that moved over a little bit and landed in the City of David, wow. What was it that they were attempting to do?

James Kaddis: They wanted to blow up the Temple Mount is what that, I mean, that's what they were doing.

Tom Hughes: They want to kill people. They want to kill Jews. No doubt about it. But they also want to remove any thought of Jewish presence. And that's what I think is demonic. It's the devil because ultimately the devil's behind it because he has to remove the thought of the Jews having the right to the land. He has to remove the Jews from the planet.

James Kaddis: Wouldn't it be hilarious if they launched a missile, not that I'm saying that it should happen, but wouldn't it be hilarious if they launched a missile and all it did was destroy the mosques on the Temple Mount which opened up the door for the temple to be rebuilt?

Tom Hughes: Well, it wouldn't surprise me. Can you imagine the Jews would be blamed for that one even though it came from Iran or Hamas or wherever? Can you imagine Tucker Qatar-son at that point? He'd say it was set up by, I guarantee you, it would go this way: Mossad. Mossad was behind it.

James Kaddis: Mossad launched some rockets from Iran, and of course they coordinate letting it go to hit the Temple Mount. I'm sorry, I don't want to be like that.

Tom Hughes: And people would actually believe that stuff. But the whole thing is just lies. All right, let's go over to colonization for a minute because the absurdity of it is Jews are accused of being colonizers. All you guys, okay, how many nations in the world have Jews colonized? I mean, it's really funny. You look, you go, well, that's a good question.

All right, how many nations have Muslims colonized? I say 57 and counting because they're attempting Europe and US. A lot of people, they don't even think through this. And if you talk about colonizing, how does Islam colonize a people? The same way they did with Iran, right? Persia. That's what they did.

James Kaddis: Same thing they did with Syria. By the sword. Same thing with Lebanon. It's by the sword.

Tom Hughes: All right, here's a proof. How can you tell if an area has been colonized? It's real, real easy, everybody. This is simple. By the language they speak. How many nations speak Hebrew?

James Kaddis: Thank you. It's so obvious.

Tom Hughes: And even the primary Hebrew-speaking country speaks more English prominently than Hebrew.

James Kaddis: And Arabic, by the way.

Tom Hughes: Of course. I mean, you look, you go, wait a minute. Can we walk through this process a little bit? So let's think of this. God gives the Jews the land, right? God owns it. Who's he give it to? He gives it to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who becomes Israel, the twelve tribes of Jacob, the twelve tribes of Israel. He gives it to them. He says, okay, you're going to go and you're going to take the land.

So who's in the land? The Amorites, the Hittites, all the "ites", right? The Jebusites are there. All of them are there. The Amalekites, the Perizzites. You're going to deal with them. Here's the thing. James, this isn't news to you. You and I have talked about this. But for everybody watching, where are all those people now? They're nowhere. They don't exist. The only people that live that could make any rightful claim to the land in the sense of being indigenous, the only possibility are Jews. God removed every other people group from the planet. There is nobody else who can make that claim.

All right, so what happens then? Well, you have to change a name of somebody in order to say, wait a minute, we were here first. Hence, they bring in the Palestinian name and say we are Philistines, which they are not, which is a lie. So they actually have to make up a group from Hadrian from 2,000 years ago and say this applies to us today at the time of Yasser Arafat. All this is what you talk about all the time. But so that's what they have to do. That doesn't stick.

That's just one factor. Then you look at this fact: those people don't exist. The Jews are the only ones who can claim any right to the land. All right, five land purchases were done after Israel comes into the land. Five. Count them, everybody. One, two, three, four, five. What do you have? You have two in Judea, two in Samaria.

Not a mistake. In Judea you have Abraham with Hebron, and you have Jeremiah who purchased the land from his cousin, which is really significant. We come back to that in a minute. And then in Samaria you have Shechem with Jacob, and then you also have Omri. He purchases land, and Omri calls it Samaria. So you have those four. And then you have the center of it all where David purchases the land from the Jebusite Araunah, who he had a good relationship with.

And this is so significant because God is God's God. God knew the arguments of the people that would come about in the 21st century all over social media and try to say the Jews don't have any right to the land. So David actually says to Araunah when the Jebusite says, "I will give you this land for free," the plot of land where the temple was built, David says, "Far be it from me that I should offer to the Lord that which cost me nothing." God made sure that the land was paid for.

You have the five title deeds to the land in the past. You have the Bible. You have the Jews are the only people in existence that can make any claim to the land. So you have to lie and create another people group to bring in there. Then the Jews are dispersed. They're brought back into the land prophetically to fulfill prophecies just like the Bible says. When they start to return to the land after the Zionist movement, what happens?

They repurchase the land again from the Arabs who didn't want it because they thought it was trashy land. It was Innocents Abroad, Mark Twain, who writes it's desolate. So the Jews actually buy the desolate land back and the swampland back from the Arabs who didn't want it at exorbitantly raised prices, higher prices than the land would have even gone for with their Arab friends. They buy it back a second time. You can't make this stuff up.

You also can't make up the stuff that Jesus says, that your land will be to you desolate until you say, "Lord, blessed be your name. Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Lord Jesus, save us now." Your land will be desolate. So God sends Mark Twain in Innocents Abroad in the 1800s to actually confirm His word. He uses the word desolate to describe the land to prove that all of this is real before the Jews start to come back into the land.

And again, here's what else is kind of crazy. You can go through all the land purchases. I encourage you to do your own study on it, the five original ones. With Jeremiah chapter 32, when Jeremiah purchases the land from his cousin in Anathoth, he purchases it from his cousin. Why would he purchase it? Because Jeremiah is saying, "Hey, you're going into Babylonian slavery, captivity, blah, blah, blah."

Jeremiah's thrown into a pit. Zedekiah wants him dead. The people hate him because he's preaching repentance and truth. All right, Jeremiah purchases the land. The second half of the chapter beginning at verse 24 describes why Jeremiah purchased the land. God says there's nothing too hard for the Lord, twice. And He talks about not the return from captivity at the time of Babylon.

He talks about this, the time of the return of the diaspora in the last days, 1948, the beginning of the final Zionist movement when Israel comes back into the land a second time. That's what He's talking about because He says, "I'll give you a new heart." That doesn't happen until Israel is back into the land the second time after the tribulation begins. "I'll give you a new heart. You're going to buy the land in number. You're going to own the land. You're going to live in peace. I will be your God." God had Jeremiah purchase it way back when Babylon was about ready to destroy them because God used that as a prophetic signal that the Jews are coming back into the land in the last days and God is going to bless them. It is amazing when you look at the prophecies and you look at God's word.

James Kaddis: And you've got to talk about this because even with the people who make the argument that say that the Jews don't have claim to the land anymore because they chose to rebel against God, what do you do with Ezekiel 36 and 37? That God says He's going to bring them back in unbelief. He's bringing them back in unbelief. And then we've talked about this and I think that we should revisit it. I've said it many times before.

The story of Israel being re-established as a nation is the ultimate story of decolonization. People call them colonizers by referring to them as settlers, occupiers, so on and so forth. But just think about this for a second. Just a few simple things. Think about some simple facts, really important facts. Number one, Britain was the colonizing authority. They were the colonizers after the fall of the Ottoman Empire. They were the ones. They withdraw.

So think about this. Let's just put this all together because this is really important. They withdraw. A people group who have been long dispersed, and we know who we're talking about, the Jews, they've been long dispersed under all kinds of what people would call imperial domination. That's what they're referring to as the Jews. They're the imperial dominionists. All this whole people group who have been completely dispersed under this type of domination have re-established sovereignty in their ancestral homeland after 2,000 years.

After 2,000 years being displaced by a whole bunch of other colonizers like the Romans. Then you have a new state that's formed through all kinds of international law. You're talking about all the international legal frameworks. We all know what happened there. By the way, if you don't know what I'm talking about, go look up the League of Nations Mandate and go read the resolutions of the largest terrorist organization in the world, the United Nations.

And it will tell you everything you need to know about Israel legally getting their land back after it's decolonized. It represented not the expansion of the European empire, everybody. It actually represented the collapse of one. Tell me the Brits didn't fall apart as a result of this. Tell me for one second. Does anybody know their history?

Tom Hughes: No, they don't. James, and not only that.

James Kaddis: It's just ridiculous.

Tom Hughes: Let's go a little bit further. So it wasn't just the British Mandate. There were all kinds of mandates that created all these different nations and people groups. There's only one that is singled out, and it's that little tiny nation called Israel through the British Mandate. None of the rest are in question. Nobody questions Lebanon or anything else. They don't say anything about that stuff.

Now with that also, not only that with the British Mandate, is that Britain didn't even exercise their proper authority that was given to them in trust to give the land to the Jews. They worked with the League of Nations. And in the land that was originally intended, not the Balfour Declaration which was bigger, but you just go down, it was 1922 when the land that the Jews were supposed to have included all of the land from the river to the sea. It included Judea and Samaria.

James Kaddis: And that, by the way, was the League of Nations mandate, the one that was in 1922.

Tom Hughes: That was what they were supposed to get. Then Britain comes along and they say, when it's finally their turn, they say, "Forget it. We're not going to give them all that land." They go into an agreement, I think it was in 1947, and say, "This is the land that we're going to give Israel," which now cut out Judea and Samaria and it was even smaller. It was really tiny. They said, "That's all they're going to get."

James Kaddis: And not to cut you off, I want to make myself clear here because it's really important. When the Brits did that, they did that in violation of international law. They did it in violation of Article 80 of the UN Charter. Article 80 of the UN Charter basically made strong the existing mandate from 1922. So the UN's Charter said that it was great.

When the UN partition plan came in 1947, it was in direct conflict with what had already been established according to law and even through their own General Assembly resolutions. Let's really start thinking about this for a second. And then you have to think about this because it's really important. After they declared their independence, when Ben-Gurion declared independence in 1948 and all of that began to happen, there were lots of other countries that recognized the declaration.

It was recognized by other states. Over time, the whole majority of UN member states recognized it. I don't even know why this is such a difficult thing for people to be able to understand. They had a defined territory. And by the way, let me make myself clear. It wasn't just like we had a defined territory and then we fly everybody in. There was a permanent population that had always been there. There was even a functioning government that would meet the modern-day definition of self-determination as defined by the UN Charter.

So the whole idea of developing a capacity to interrelations with other states already existed. It was already there. If you look at modern international law today and you look at the definition of self-determination, that had already existed. That had already existed prior to World War I. You could argue that that had already existed prior to the collapse of the Ottoman Empire.

And the lies that they say that the Arab population still has the right to self-determination or that existed prior to that time, okay, show me. Show me the established government. Show me the evidence of the existence prior to that. Show me the argument. They argue, well, the UN partition really lacked a full plan and there was not a lot of Arab majority in this kind of area. Baloney.

Tom Hughes: Totally it's a lie. Not only that, James, but now these arguments on social media, which are also full of lies, say the Jews didn't have to worry about anything pre-1948, neither did the US because of Muslims. That is such nonsense too. The Arabs were conquering and slaughtering people since 600 AD.

James Kaddis: Come on, bro.

Tom Hughes: Right. And then it was even Thomas Jefferson who said, "Hey, we've got a huge problem with these Muslims. We better read the Quran." That was Thomas Jefferson. He recognized no, the US or what we would call America now was already under attack by Muslims.

James Kaddis: Bro, we already knew it. How about we just read about the Barbary Coast?

Tom Hughes: The Barbary Coast. So you have these. Now, I know we're out of time, but I've got to say this. So you take this whole thing with the League of Nations, UN, British Mandate. So Great Britain, they failed to exercise their what they were supposed to do, right? They had a responsibility. They didn't do it. So the Jews don't get the land they were supposed to get. We know that. All right. 1948 rolls around, May 14, 1948. All of a sudden, Israel gets attacked. Who are they attacked by? All of their neighbors.

So Israel was also, not only purchased the land and all of the other things we already covered, Israel also was given it legally, yet they weren't even legally given what they were supposed to have. So the people who say they don't legally, there's no other nation that can make any claim even close to what they make. And they even defeated the enemy who tried to eliminate them.

The whole thing, you look, you go, there's no other people group that exists on the entire planet that could even come anywhere near making a claim that the Jews can make. Why? Because God is the God of Israel and He will fulfill His covenant that He has made. And He is coming again to the people of Israel, and Israel is going to come to a place of turning and looking to Yeshua, Jesus, as their savior. That day is coming, and God is going to fulfill it.

James Kaddis: And I mean, look about this. Forget the rights to possession based on war. Forget the fact that God is the one who said it and gave it to him and said that the land will never function normally unless the Jews are in it. Forget all that stuff. How about we just look at the simple legal arguments? I already talked about this. The League of Nations Mandate is something that can't be ignored. They officially recognized Jewish national rights.

They did it. It was there. This is not hard. The preservation of the mandate was maintained under the UN Charter. And as a matter of fact, to take it even further, that partition endorsement by the United Nations, largest terrorist organization in the world, still recognize it. And by the way, if you think, oh well that was a mistake and everybody misunderstood the Charter, that wasn't the heart of the UN. Okay, then why was Israel admitted into the United Nations?

They were recognized in the United Nations. So how in the world could that even be the case? And let's not forget the legal doctrine of the principle of self-determination. How much harder is this? This is not difficult. It really isn't. And by the way, it's shocking. The reason why all of this is so fresh on my mind is because I spent some time studying some of these international laws because I'm getting ready to do a video that is going to serve as a direct repudiation to the lies that Tucker Carlson was saying in the interview that he had with Mike Huckabee.

But it's just very obvious. Do you know that you can make a better case for the legal right to the land of Jerusalem by Jews, for the land of Israel by Jews, than you can make for almost all of its neighbors?

Tom Hughes: Almost all?

James Kaddis: Almost all of its neighbors. With the exception of Egypt, with the exception of a few of the countries that actually have ancient ties to their land. Saudi Arabia can't make a claim as strong as the Jews can. Many of the Gulf Coast states can't make a claim as the Jews can. The Persians can, the Iraqis can, but I mean, think about that for a second. The legal foundation that Israel has to be able to stay in their land according to international law is stronger than the foundation that many other countries actually have.

Tom Hughes: I'm looking very forward to it.

James Kaddis: And that's just the legal side. Just the legal argument.

Tom Hughes: That's not even making the biblical argument.

James Kaddis: Forget the theology behind it. Forget all that. And then that whole entrapment question that Tucker asks about, how do you define a real Jew? Is it based on biology? My default answer to that is going to be biology, sure. Okay, maybe I'll make that, the ethnicity argument, the DNA argument, that's fine. But it goes deeper than that. It goes to the nation of Jews. You have to define it that way. If you don't define it as the nation of Jews, you're never going to understand it.

Tom Hughes: Define what you mean, nation of Jews. And then I've got to go because we're out of time.

James Kaddis: Well, because when you talk about the description of the nation of Jews, it means the right of the Jewish people to maintain the state in which they dwell that was granted to them by God Himself. And so when you make the definition of what that actually looks like, you can't just simply say that if you're an Arab because you're a descendant of Abraham, you can actually claim your right to the nation of Israel as some people would say because you don't understand the fullness of the argument.

If that was the case, you would not, this comes from a functional misunderstanding of what it means to associate itself with a nation as defined in the biblical precedent. One great example of this argument centers around Ruth. What does Ruth do when her husband dies and she's found to have an opportunity to start a new life with her mother-in-law? She says, "I'll go to your land, your God will be my God." "Your God will be my God."

Ruth was not a Jewish woman. She wasn't. And then what ends up happening? She gets married to Boaz. Ruth and Boaz have Obed. Obed has Jesse. Jesse has David, the King of Israel. They don't understand the functional argument here. They don't because what's happening is Satan is trying to get people confused. Satan is trying to get people to think through the questioning that is running through people's minds right now even if it's a matter of DNA.

"Well, there's lots of Palestinians that have Jewish DNA in it." You're right. Many of them could argue that 60% of their bloodline is actually Jewish. But the one thing that you have to stop and consider centers directly around the fact that you have Isaac and Jacob. You have Ishmael and his descendants. This is the problem that people just don't consider. And if you sit down with real true Arabs, especially like the ones in Saudi Arabia, they'll say it right away: "We are descendants of the same father. And the Jews, as descendants of our father, has a right to their land just as we have a right to our land." So let's just be real concerning this whole thing.

Tom Hughes: God even calls them cousins in the Bible. Cousins, they are. Then we can take it a step further. You can bring Zionism into that argument too, which would go hand in hand with everything you described with the nation of Israel. Zionism is different than what you described, but it goes hand in hand with it. God created Zion. God created the word Zion. He gave them the area of Zion. Zionism is created by God. 152 times in the King James Bible alone.

James Kaddis: That's the thing. That's why the modern-day terminology that they like to throw out is "state" instead of "nation" in some respects. And then when they oftentimes sit down and have these conversations about the rightful ownership of the land, they want to confuse the terminology for that very specific reason. But they don't understand what is in essence hereditary. They don't get it.

And one of the most astounding ways that you can understand this is by examining the nature of what happened to Israel when it was split as a nation under the rule of Rehoboam. You'll learn very, very quickly and then what happened when it became in essence momentarily unified in its post-exilic return under the leadership of people like Ezra and Nehemiah. Very different pictures being drawn.

So the establishment of the nation of Israel in 1948, a Jewish nation, speaks volumes to the promise of restoration that God gave that started from the time of the declarations prior to even that of Artaxerxes Longimanus in Nehemiah chapter 2, further behind even Daniel chapter 9. It carries into the modern day with an exact fulfillment of what God said would always exist amongst His people. Never to happen before in human history ever.

Tom Hughes: Amen. Hey, James, that was awesome.

James Kaddis: I know you got me all fired up, man.

Tom Hughes: No, that was good. I intended to get you fired up, but I've got to go.

James Kaddis: Guys, we love you. We do sincerely hope that you've enjoyed listening to this as much as we've enjoyed making it. I'm going to go take a little bit of a break because my loudness has got me tired now. We love you guys. God bless you. Keep fighting the good fight.

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