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Micah Van Huss: Welcome to today's program of Watchman on the Wall. Today we're continuing our discussion with Silvia McKelvey, author, sailor, and longtime Christian researcher. Silvia studies the UFO phenomenon from a biblical perspective. Again, here, I'm Micah Van Huss, your host. We like to talk about the weird stuff and marginal mysteries, but we do it from a biblical perspective because the Bible is absolute truth. Silvia, it's good to have you back again today. How are you today?

Silvia McKelvey: Oh, it's great. Thank you for having me again here.

Micah Van Huss: Yes, ma'am. The weather's turning from spring to summer, and I'm really enjoying life right now, sitting outside and enjoying the weather. We stopped talking last episode; we ran out of time. We were talking about the great deception and how the UFO phenomenon relates to that.

I think this is one of the most important points that we can talk about when we're talking about the UFO phenomenon. There are different types of things that people think will be the great deception of the end times that God talks about in scripture, such as certain denominations of the church leading people astray, other things. But here we're talking about the UFO phenomenon, maybe the disclosure of aliens. How important is it for Christians to be rooted in scripture when it comes to what could be coming ahead?

Silvia McKelvey: It's very important, and I think we were talking about 2nd Thessalonians, the second chapter. Reading through that, it's important to remember that this is something that has been written. It basically says it's going to happen. Getting a heads-up on that is important for all of us to remember.

But I think when you look at our society today and how advanced we are and what technology we have, I approach this in my first book also, asking the question of what would it take to make the superpowers of our world lay down weapons and comply with some leadership? We already see the context of war and using technology in war, and the war just keeps continuing.

To me, in what I talk about, it would have to be something that was so advanced that we could not even challenge it. So I think the only thing that fits that bill, especially today with leading up with the talk of the UFOs, I think that's a perfect example of what could be used not only to change society but also as an assist to the Antichrist, basically to enforce what would be happening then.

So I think it's important to remember that it most likely not be presented like a military op. It would be something that would be so spiritual, so awe-inspiring, so fascinating that, as they say, it could deceive even the elect, were it possible. It could seem very spiritual as well. And so I think keeping your head on straight on something like that, should they appear, then know that it's in God's timing. God's certainly aware of it, and it's up to us to be discerning about it and not to fall prey to some kind of false narrative.

Micah Van Huss: And not only the wars end of it, but with the technology to cure cancer, if they show up with that type of technology. We had already talked yesterday a little bit about the orb phenomenon. You talk in chapter eight about the mysterious orbs. Do you think that some of these UFOs may actually be entities rather than machines?

Silvia McKelvey: It's quite possible. What I talk about in there is there's been reports of the behavior of these objects, and they don't behave like you would think a spaceship or something flying overhead and monitoring a situation. But they have been reported basically almost like having a personality.

What struck me as very odd is some of the reports that came out just recently from our pilots. Once they got close enough, the report saying that the outside of the orb itself seemed to undulate, seemed like it had a skin on it. Again, going back to not fitting a particular mechanical craft, there's certainly some truth to the fact that this could be another lifeform.

Micah Van Huss: So biological rather than mechanical?

Silvia McKelvey: Or biological mechanical, a combination. Obviously, unless we snag one of them, we're not going to know for sure. But I think there it goes back again; I talk about maybe this could be something that the enemy has, but it could be something also that God has. But in saying that, it again goes back to having discretion about it, that a voice says, "Well, you guys have all been wrong, and here's the new lifeform, and just to prove to you that this is a new existence." People who are hung up on the Bible, then you just have to go with the current knowledge that we have. So I think there would obviously have to be some steps to discount the Bible, to discount Christianity.

Micah Van Huss: And Christians need to be aware. If the disclosure, if the great deception is evil spiritual entities revealing themselves, they're definitely going to claim that God is not real, that we were not created by God, that they're from this planet and they've been around for trillions of years.

They're going to claim some such stuff to try to get us to deny God. I guess my main warning for folks, definitely in the tribulation but even before, maybe through this disclosure, is God says in scripture that evil entities, the Antichrist, will not admit that Jesus is the Christ. That's how you will know they are false. They will not admit that Jesus is the Christ.

We as Christians need to be aware of the deception, that they will tell you God is not real, and be ready for that. The real question to them is where did they come from too? I don't want to take the whole discussion, but I do believe that it's most likely that God has plenty of intelligent creations in this universe, most of which we can't even see with our own eyes. So it is a vast universe. But as far as what we're seeing, my opinion is that these are spiritual entities, not beings from another planet.

Let me ask you, you write that disclosure may be happening whether governments want it to happen or not. Do you believe that we are approaching a point where the phenomenon can no longer be hidden and that's why governments are talking about it?

Silvia McKelvey: Yes, I think there's just too much information out there now. As I had said, there are pictures and videos that even the general public have that are quite astonishing. And so it's to the point where you have so much information out there that the government has to address it.

But I think there's a little bit of a danger in accepting this whole thing even from a Christian perspective. Some people like to think that perhaps they're angels, and this is what's already been in the Bible and we shouldn't be afraid of it. We should look forward to seeing angels coming. But according to scripture, the only thing we should be looking for is the return of Jesus and not the angels. I think that you need to be careful along those lines.

Obviously, God does have some wonderful, beautiful angels of different types, but they're not the main emphasis. But I think also that these things have been here a long time. I think too that talk about people wanting to say that what they're referring to as biologicals that are in these crafts. Again, what are you talking about when you say biologicals?

It's interesting that this has come up in congressional meetings, but yet there's no details about it, nothing that gives us a heads-up as to what these possibly are. Again, this is something that could lead to deception. But also that people say, "Well, they're demons; it has to be demonic." I agree with demonic, but demons are spirit entities that look to occupy something, whether it be a human or animal or inanimate object. Just to give a flat statement like that could be very misleading as well.

But the one thing that does fit the whole scenario are fallen angels. We know that they've been here. There's nothing in scripture that tells us that they went away and occupy some other type of space. To me, and we talked about the different types of species that people are talking about now: the Grays, the Reptilians, the praying mantis type, and the Nordics. If I were going to put these angels into a category, I would put them into the Nordics. We'll have to see how that plays out. But it's something that we should be aware of and not fall for something that's phony but very impressive.

Micah Van Huss: In your chapter fourteen, "Not From Here," one of your boldest arguments is that Jesus himself was not from here. Why did you decide to frame Christ in contrast to the alien narrative?

Silvia McKelvey: Well, I think so many people just think of Jesus being born; he was half God, half human, and they kind of leave it at that. But they don't really understand the impact of it, why he had to come in that form and why he came pretty much behind the scenes. It's almost as if he had to come here when the devil was caught off guard because of it. And it's such a brilliant way it was handled.

But there is in the Bible, when you really research Jesus, the supernatural part of it is so prevalent that people should look at that and say, "Yes, this Lord and Savior, but also at the powers that Jesus had and why it was so important that he was here fighting the other powers that are on this planet as well." So I wanted to put it into the context that this is something supernatural that was fighting something supernatural. And we know that Jesus basically came as our Savior in more ways than one. So I wanted to do it a little bit different, but again, it gives the honor and glory to Jesus.

Micah Van Huss: I like the way you framed it. You suggested the world had already experienced first contact through Christ, and I agree; it was a good way to put it. In chapter fifteen, the next chapter, about the replacement Christ, you warn about a counterfeit savior connected to the UFO and New Age beliefs. You have done a lot of studying on the New Age movement. What would that deception actually look like in the real world?

Silvia McKelvey: Just from the New Age part of it, there is a group, the Alice A. Bailey group, the Lucis Trust, which used to be called Lucifer Trust for obvious reasons. They changed it, but they very much look forward to a new Christ coming. Not Jesus; there'll be a new one for this new age.

He's not coming alone. Apparently, the Space Brothers are also involved in him arriving here, taking over the position as the new so-called Christ. The fact that they're talking in tandem with Space Brothers helping out again goes back to the idea that here could be the deception with obviously the UFOs. I think a lot of it, too, is the fact that it's pre-programming; it's getting people to think outside the box when it comes to religion. So they want to present this. The fact that they're talking Space Brothers alone by themselves is something that we should be keeping in mind as well.

Micah Van Huss: We've got a little bit of time left, so I've got two more questions. For people who've personally experienced UFO encounters or paranormal activity, what practical advice would you give to those folks?

Silvia McKelvey: Discernment. This is definitely a situation where you test the spirits. I would encourage people, and unfortunately, ministers are not necessarily prepared to deal with that. I hope more will become alert and become aware of this whole topic so they can help congregations.

But if you've had an experience, if you've had a sighting, please know that you're not alone, that there are many Christians that have also had these things. But again, it's something that you can certainly bring to the Lord. You certainly need discretion on it and testing the spirits. Know that you're not alone.

Micah Van Huss: So after all your years of research studying these topics, what convinces you most that Jesus Christ, not advanced beings, governments, or technology, is humanity's true hope?

Silvia McKelvey: Just from what he's done. I mean, there is no other entity person on this earth that did what he did to be able to come here, to do his miracles, to die a gruesome death for us, and then to be resurrected to give us the promise of life eternal. You can't find that with any other god or any other description or any superhero on this planet.

Micah Van Huss: Of course, John, I think it's John chapter one says in the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God, the Word was God. And of course Jesus, the Son, being with God at creation. He's been here all along. While first contact came through the Virgin Mary, born of the Virgin Mary, I do believe that he was in the Old Testament as the angel of the Lord pre-incarnate, directing the watchers. They reported to him in Zechariah 1. But he has been the figure that is, it seems to me, the central point of all of history.

Silvia McKelvey: I agree. I do agree.

Micah Van Huss: Now let me ask you a hard question. It's hard for me; you may enjoy the question. You warn of the massive deception tied to the extraterrestrials posing as humanity's saviors. This is the hard question: how close do you think we are to that moment, to that time happening?

Silvia McKelvey: Well, it's pretty astounding with what we've gotten already. But researching the subject itself, there's supposedly already been contact made with entities that have taken place on military bases over the years. So I think it's coming to a point now where people are becoming more knowledgeable about that. They want to know more. I think right now it's a prime opportunity to try to pull off this deception.

Micah Van Huss: Yeah, our generations, I've got three young kids, our generations have never been more conditioned—I'm Generation X—even my generation, never been more conditioned to disclosure than we are now. We're living in important times. Just a minute or two left. What message for folks who would read your book, Into the Storm, or listen to these programs, what message would you want these folks to take away?

Silvia McKelvey: The fact that these things are happening, but I think also that we should not lose faith over it, that we should not be necessarily panicked over it. Matthew 24, how wonderful of a chapter is that, with Jesus giving us a heads-up. So I think we need to remember that he did his job basically here, and now it's time for us to do ours. And that really revolves around our faith and commitment to Jesus. We shouldn't be afraid, in other words, but we should be obviously very knowledgeable. We need to learn.

Micah Van Huss: Folks, you've been listening to Silvia McKelvey talk about her newest book, Into the Storm. You can get a copy at swrc.com, swrc.com, or by calling 800-652-1144, ask for Silvia McKelvey's Into the Storm. Silvia, it's been awesome talking with you these last couple of days as well as your previous book that we talked about a year or two ago. Silvia, I really appreciate you joining us on Watchman on the Wall.

Silvia McKelvey: Well, thank you so much for having me. It's been very enjoyable.

SWRC Announcer: Silvia's new book, Into the Storm, is today's spotlight resource. Into the Storm: UFOs, the Paranormal, and the Unseen Battle for Planet Earth draws from decades of investigation, military testimony, congressional UAP hearings, and Bible prophecy. Silvia McKelvey argues that the UFO phenomenon may be far more spiritual than extraterrestrial.

She explores government disclosure, non-human intelligence, interdimensional beings, AI, the Nephilim, and the growing belief that humanity is approaching a prophetic deception unlike anything seen before. Into the Storm by Silvia McKelvey. Order your copy when you call 1-800-652-1144. That's 1-800-652-1144. Or you can order at swrc.com.

The latest installment of our Prophecy in the News magazine is here. PITN magazine editor Liz Cutshall and Dr. Larry Spargimino are here to preview this exciting issue.

Liz Cutshall: Greetings, friends. This is Liz Cutshall, the editor of Prophecy in the News magazine. Today, we are visiting with Pastor Larry Spargimino to chat a bit about the next magazine. It is titled Sacred Spaces: The Tabernacle, the Temple, and Jesus. Hi, Pastor Larry.

Larry Spargimino: Hello, Liz. So good to be with you.

Liz Cutshall: It's great to be with you. Pastor Larry, you are one of numerous authors of articles in this particular magazine, which keeps growing. It is such a big magazine because there are so many things to cover, talk about, delve into regarding the places where God's people have met with God over the centuries. You have written an article about Ezekiel's Temple. Can you tell us a little bit about why you wrote about that and what Ezekiel's Temple means to us today?

Larry Spargimino: Well, Ezekiel chapters 40 through 48 describe in great detail, and I think that's very important, a huge temple complex that does not match the description of any other Jewish temple described in the Bible. In other words, there are too many explicit details to say it is allegorical.

I understand this temple to be a literal temple which will be a visible symbol of God's presence among his people. We remember, and I think this is very important, that the prelude to Israel's judgment began with the departure of God from Solomon's temple. The climax of Israel's future restoration will come when God reenters this end-time temple. So no literal temple, no future restoration of Israel. I think the restoration of Israel is very important, and I think it's very clearly taught in scripture, and I think the two go together. There will be a restoration of the people, and there will be a literal temple.

Liz Cutshall: Some people do not believe that. Why do you think that is?

Larry Spargimino: Well, I think they have very wrong views. Number one, of Israel. I think that's the main thing. If you get Israel wrong, everything else falls apart. I don't think they are really reading Ezekiel 40 through 48.

For example, in Ezekiel 40 verse 4, Ezekiel is told, "Declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel." Now Israel at this time was in great national danger. The Jewish people needed great comfort. They needed assurance that God had not forgotten them. That is why Ezekiel is told to declare all that thou seest to the house of Israel. If this is allegorical and addressed to the church, how could this possibly be a word of encouragement to Israel?

I mean, 48:35 says a name is given to Jerusalem, Yahweh Shammah, meaning "the Lord is there." So this once again would suggest a literal temple. How would "the Lord is there in the church" be an encouragement to Israel, or "the Lord is there in heaven," how would that provide encouragement to Jews who love the Holy City? So I think as you look at the whole picture of redemption and also at the whole book of Ezekiel, I think you're really bound to say this is not allegorical; this is literal.

Liz Cutshall: Tell us, if you will, please, when you think this temple will come to fruition and how?

Larry Spargimino: I think this will take place certainly in the millennial kingdom. I think it will occur in the time when God is manifesting his glory, when God's people are revived, restored, renewed, when they're thinking about how wonderful the Lord is.

They'll be forgetting all about that apostasy, and there was great apostasy in the past, but now they want to honor the Lord, they want to worship the Lord, and they're going to offer these sacrifices, not at all to atone for sin—that's not the purpose—they're going to be offering these sacrifices as an act of fellowship and obedience to Almighty God. I think all of these things, if you understand it correctly, say to us that this really will take place.

Liz Cutshall: And this will be after the Battle of Armageddon. Jesus will be on Earth, right?

Larry Spargimino: Yes, I believe so. The King of Kings will come, and you cannot have a kingdom unless the king is present. I see the kingdom of God in a very definite, real Jewish application. So he has to come back as the scriptures literally say. So I think when you start allegorizing one part of scripture, you know, you take the first step in the wrong direction; the second, third, fourth, and fifth steps become easier and easier.

Liz Cutshall: Go to prophecyinthenews.com to subscribe. You can also go to swrc.com to subscribe, and or you can call and talk with Tabitha or Danny at 1-800-652-1144. We really hope that folks will enjoy this particular issue. Pastor Larry, thank you so much for your time today and for your contributions to this magazine and to all of our publications with SWRC. You're amazing. God bless you.

Larry Spargimino: Well, God has blessed me in just giving me the opportunity to work with people like Josh and you and Kenneth Hill and everyone else. What a wonderful touch of the Lord, a great surprise and a blessing.

Liz Cutshall: It's a blessing to me too. We pray that we'll continue to hear from our readers and that they'll feel blessed by the articles and the insights that we share with them. Thank you again, Pastor Larry. Talk to you soon.

SWRC Announcer: What if the UFO mystery isn't about visitors from another planet, but something far closer and far more dangerous? In her eye-opening new book, Into the Storm: UFOs, the Paranormal, and the Unseen Battle for Planet Earth, Silvia McKelvey examines decades of UFO reports, military testimony, congressional UAP investigations, and biblical prophecy to uncover a startling possibility.

Could the growing fascination with non-human intelligence, interdimensional beings, AI, and the Nephilim be setting the stage for a massive end-times deception? Get your copy of Into the Storm by Silvia McKelvey today. Call 1-800-652-1144, or order at swrc.com.

Tomorrow, bestselling author Micah Van Huss explores the biblical concept of the princes of the nations, revealing how scripture describes a hidden spiritual war unfolding behind human history. So be sure to tune in by downloading our free SWRC mobile app or by subscribing to our daily Watchman on the Wall podcast. Watchman on the Wall is a production of Southwest Radio Ministries and is supported by faithful listeners like you. Please visit swrc.com.