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Announcer: Welcome to Watchman on the Wall, a daily outreach of Southwest Radio Ministries and swrc.com. God is still on the throne and prayer changes things. A brand new week of bringing clarity to the chaos is here.

Today, Micah Van Huss visits with author Silvia McKelvey to discuss the UFOs and the paranormal. Later this week, we'll learn about the War of the Princes, and on Friday, Josh Davis will share the latest headlines from the end times.

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For the next two days, we welcome author and researcher Silvia McKelvey to Watchman on the Wall. Silvia is here to reveal that based on her research and study, she believes that the UFO phenomenon may be far more spiritual than extraterrestrial. Here is today's host, Micah Van Huss.

Micah Van Huss: Welcome to the Watchman on the Wall radio program. I'm your host today, Micah Van Huss. I run Marginal Mysteries here at Southwest Radio Ministries, and we talk about the weird stuff from a biblical perspective. Speaking of which, today we are welcoming author, sailor, and longtime Christian researcher Silvia McKelvey to the program.

Silvia has spent decades investigating the worlds of UFOs, the paranormal, the New Age movement, all from a biblical perspective. Now, we've interviewed Silvia before. Her earlier book, *Storm on the Horizon*, explored the growing spiritual deception surrounding extraterrestrial beliefs and global mysticism.

Now she has her latest book, *Into the Storm: UFOs, the Paranormal, and the Unseen Battle for Planet Earth*. Silvia, in this book, examines the explosion of UAP disclosures, government hearings, military encounters, and the deeper spiritual questions surrounding the phenomena as the world becomes increasingly fascinated with what may lie beyond our skies. Silvia, it's great to talk to you again and to have you on the Watchman on the Wall program.

Silvia McKelvey: Oh, thank you for having me back.

Micah Van Huss: We, of course, are talking about this in some important days. We just had the recent Trump administration release of some UAP videos and files, and of course, we're getting ready to get some more from what we hear. So, we're definitely discussing this in interesting times.

Silvia McKelvey: It definitely is. I guess there's going to be what they call another dump in a week or two, but subject to change, I'm sure. A lot of researchers have looked over the material, and although a lot of it is old stuff, really, a lot of it already came out on FOIA from other researchers.

I think the upside to that is the fact that it is an introduction to the general public by the government, which is in itself an accomplishment on the part of the people who have been advocating for the release of this information. So, we'll see where it goes.

Micah Van Huss: I'm right here in Northeast Tennessee, right next to Tim Burchett's congressional district in Knoxville. He, along with Anna Paulina Luna, that Congresswoman, they're right in the thick of it. Your first book, as we said, was *Storm on the Horizon*. What developments since you wrote that first book convinced you that it was time to write this book, *Into the Storm*?

Silvia McKelvey: In the first book, I tried to give a history and go into a lot of what the New Age followers were bringing out that actually led to people looking into UFOs. Since that had already been established in that first book, I wanted to take it to where it is now because so much has happened. It has been a topic that has been increasing and not decreasing.

Micah Van Huss: Absolutely. As we stated earlier, you served in the Navy. You served during Desert Storm. Did your military background make you more skeptical or more open to these reports that we're seeing?

Silvia McKelvey: I'd have to say it probably made me more open because there are fascinating things in the military obviously with advanced technologies. To me, it would be something that could be a real possibility. So, I keep an open mind about that.

Micah Van Huss: Obviously, these documents dumped by the presidential administration—why do you think that governments in the day and age in which we're living are suddenly becoming more public about UFOs after decades of ridicule and secrecy?

Silvia McKelvey: I think probably the easiest answer to that is that the general public already has this information on their own. They've already got their own proof through videos and pictures and experiences. So, it's something that is not foreign certainly to a large percentage of the world's population. It's part of putting them in a corner somewhat that they're having to address it because everybody else seems to be getting a lot of information on their own.

Micah Van Huss: Of course, we live in that age of the internet. I think it's the Book of Daniel, chapter 12, that says towards the end knowledge will be increased. The internet has definitely been the main catalyst of that in the history of the world.

Let's move on to Chapter 1 of your book, "Our Normal Paranormal?". In Chapter 1, you argue that humanity has normalized the paranormal. Do you think today people are more spiritually vulnerable than previous generations were?

Silvia McKelvey: I think because of everything becoming so convoluted, they're more vulnerable to receiving wrong information. But if you want to find out about the supernatural, then certainly read the Bible because our faith is based on it. I tried to start out with that and show how it's always been there.

We've had the answers right in front of us here in the Bible, especially with New Testament prophecies. I think people now, because of all the information that's been coming out, are looking at it to think, "Is this something that is more spiritual or is this something that is what we call an advancement or actually aliens from another realm or planet?" It certainly has opened the discussion up to now where people are having to take a deep dive into it and come up with some spiritual answers more than just science.

Micah Van Huss: You began to allude to Paul's supernatural conversion, and you begin Chapter 1 with Paul's conversion experience. Why did you choose Paul's experience in scripture as the opening foundation of the book?

Silvia McKelvey: I think that was a real strong indication of the power of God and of Jesus. I just like the opening statement for him, "I'm not mad, most noble Festus," where he's on trial for actually converting. To me, that made such an impact because Paul basically persecuted Christians. He had them killed. He was totally against Christianity and totally against Jesus.

Then he has this experience. It was a paranormal experience because he's blinded by this light and he hears Jesus talking to him, asking him, "Why are you persecuting me?" It must have been of such degree with all of the witnesses that were with him in this caravan that it just knocked him to his knees to realize, "Wait a minute, there's something here and there's something about this Jesus that had totally convicted him." Going back to the scribes and Pharisees that he was acquainted with, they were totally shocked by it. Not only shocked, but they wanted to be rid of the whole Christian attitude and especially now with Paul leading the charge on it. I thought it was very profound and a good one to start.

Micah Van Huss: Technically, angels and demons are from another realm. Do you believe that modern society dismisses this supernatural stuff like what the Bible talks about until it's packaged as science or technology with the age of naturalism? Since the dropping of the atomic bomb, do you think that modern society needs this spiritual realm stuff packaged as science or technology?

Silvia McKelvey: I think it's always been that case because you're talking about so many different religions on this planet. To highlight one in particular is not necessarily going to go over with others. So, I think to get the validity that they needed for the topic, they've always had to take the scientific approach.

You've got organizations like the SETI Institute and METI where they're sending out signals trying to make contact with anything out there in the universe. NASA, which is interesting also, is starting to come around to the non-science end of it. I think the only way they could present it in the past is through scientific means and that often resulted in ridicule and nonsense.

Micah Van Huss: I had this question I didn't prepare for you, but I thought about it the other day. NASA went dark for, I don't know, 20 years. NASA didn't really do anything for a few decades there, but suddenly things are starting to turn around. Do you think that NASA maybe knew something of the truth behind the scenes and decided that maybe there wasn't much worth reaching out to? Do you have any thoughts on that?

Silvia McKelvey: I believe absolutely they knew because their own astronauts have made reports of these objects. In my first book, I went through some of these reports made by the early astronauts from the Apollo program especially, where they talk about having these sightings. One in particular, our astronaut Gordon Cooper, went to quite an extent to talk about the sightings he's had and even a landing of a disc at Edwards Air Force Base.

Now he's put this all in his book, *Leap of Faith*, for anyone to read. But it goes back further for him because post-World War II, he was stationed in Germany and they were scrambling constantly because they had bogies that were flying over the base. It's the same scenario as we have today. They scramble, go up, chase them, and couldn't catch up with them. It was such a frustration that they actually stopped going up after a while. You've got to know that NASA knew just from their own astronauts alone.

Micah Van Huss: I'm sure you know who Bob Lazar is. One of the things with the most recent releases was the objects above the moon, the pictures of the objects that were floating above the moon, which actually gives credence a little bit to what Bob Lazar said in the 90s. He said that there were objects floating above the moon. One of the things that fascinated me about Bob Lazar is he said that aliens see us humans as containers. That is compatible with spiritual entities, demons who wish to possess us, and Jesus Christ entering us. I thought it gave a little bit of credence to Bob Lazar. Do you have any thoughts on that?

Silvia McKelvey: I've heard him say that before, and I think for whatever he's been exposed to, that is probably an adequate explanation. Interestingly enough, there was—it's probably still on Prime Video—a special on Bob Lazar, which I watched in detail because he was explaining the craft that he worked on at Area 51.

The thing that struck me so profound in listening to what he had to say about this is the fact that he acknowledges that there are these entities that are non-human. At the close of that documentary, he says that we're going to learn that they are the ones who created us. So, here comes part of the deception, the great deception. I think we need to be alert to the fact that this may be the bill of goods coming out.

Micah Van Huss: We will definitely talk about that a little bit more because I see the great deception as the biggest caution for anybody listening. Silvia, in your Chapter 2, "We Can't Handle the Truth"—I found the quote from *A Few Good Men* very fitting—do you believe that governments fear panic from the people, or do you think they're more afraid that people may discover something spiritually dangerous behind this phenomena? Do you think the government goes in one direction or the other on that?

Silvia McKelvey: Well, I guess it goes back to the fact now that the Congress is looking into it and the fact that the government now has to respond. But remember, people have been having so-called experiences with these entities, some describing them as aliens, others just monsters or whatever, but they have been as a society already experiencing things that would cause panic.

The majority of people these days say no, it wouldn't cause panic. It wouldn't do away with religion and we are curious as a species, so we want to know. So, I think there's more to it. What I write about also is the fact that maybe we're not the ones making the decisions. If there are these entities that are working with governments, it's perhaps to their benefit and to possibly their protection that they don't come out in the way that people want them to at this point.

Micah Van Huss: Do you think that disclosure is being managed in phases, released in phases rather than revealed all at once? Do you think our government is doing that on purpose?

Silvia McKelvey: I do. I think so because it is a heavy topic. Especially if there is some kind of diabolical leadership associated with it, which I go over in my book, they would have to do it in segments. But here's the thing. I think that if this information comes out—for example, Jesse Watters was talking to Dan Zero about how there are four species: Greys, Reptilians, Insectoids (Praying Mantis types), and the tall blonde Nordics.

This is how routine it's becoming now on the reports that are going out to the public. We're already being somewhat primed for this, but in doing so, from a Christian perspective, to release a picture because of the AI and the Photoshop that can be done, they would have to go one further on that. That might involve bringing out an actual being. If that's the case, I think then at that point we're forcing God's hand to react. This could get very interesting.

Micah Van Huss: That's going to lead us into your third chapter, "Powers, Principalities, and Participants". You connect the UFO phenomenon to the biblical idea of principalities and powers. Are you suggesting that some of these entities are literal spiritual beings described in scripture?

Silvia McKelvey: I do. Because of the control that they have, when you go back to Daniel and you see how it's divided up about a Prince of Persia and a Prince of Greece, that to me indicates parts of the earth that are falling under these principalities or powers. Logically, the same thing would apply if they were trying to present it in a UFO context, especially by saying these are aliens but come from different parts of the universe. It could be very deceiving in that respect. But I think there is this intellect, this power that is behind a lot of what's going on and it's been going on since they have been here on Earth, which is from the beginning.

Micah Van Huss: There's a lot of the UFO videos that don't impress me. Obviously, with the vast angles and fast speeds, they change angles a human could not be piloting. But in this latest release, the star-shaped UFO with wheels within wheels is so fascinating. Do you have any thoughts on the star-shaped, wheel-within-a-wheel UFO that we've seen here in the last couple weeks?

Silvia McKelvey: Interestingly, somebody had posted an article about in 1967 in Devon, England, there were two policemen who made a report of a flying cross and presenting a drawing of it and it looks very similar to that star that we see in the current releases. I don't know that there's anything specific about that one, but we certainly know that there are different types, shapes, sizes for whatever reason. I think researchers find out that number one is the orb. The orb is the most reported shape of all these UFOs.

Micah Van Huss: My mother actually saw what they call the Brown Mountain Lights in North Carolina when she was a teenager. She saw the orbs in the North Carolina mountains. On the star-shaped UFO, I can't help but think of Ezekiel chapter 1 with the wheel within the wheel, the cherubim, the seraphim. In fact, Anna Paulina Luna, the representative who's in these secret meetings in Congress right now, the day that these files were released, she actually posted on her social media a picture of a biblically accurate seraphim with the wheels within the wheels with the eyeballs. Obviously, she knows more than I know for sure, but I just found that one to be very fascinating. In that chapter, you write, "the Boogeyman is smarter than we think." So, how sophisticated do you believe that this spiritual deception can become? Silvia, we're just about out of time, so go ahead and give us a few thoughts, knowing that we'll finish it tomorrow.

Silvia McKelvey: Deception can be extremely high-tech. I think that you have to look at it two ways. We have the wheel within the wheel, so perhaps God has His version of whatever these things are. Certainly, these things have their versions of different types of craft and even entities. You have to have different entities, different craft. So, I think that this is definitely something that we're going to see. As Christians, we need to be even more discerning regarding them.

Micah Van Huss: Folks, you've been listening to Silvia McKelvey on her latest book, *Into the Storm*. You can get a copy at swrc.com or by calling 1-800-652-1144. Look for Silvia McKelvey's *Into the Storm*. Silvia, it's been great talking with you today, and I look forward to continuing the conversation tomorrow.

Silvia McKelvey: Well, great. I look forward to it as well.

Announcer: More from author Silvia McKelvey is coming up on our next program. Silvia's new book, *Into the Storm*, is today's spotlight resource. *Into the Storm: UFOs, the Paranormal, and the Unseen Battle for Planet Earth* draws from decades of investigation, military testimony, congressional UAP hearings, and biblical prophecy.

Silvia McKelvey argues that the UFO phenomenon may be far more spiritual than extraterrestrial. She explores government disclosure, non-human intelligence, interdimensional beings, AI, the Nephilim, and the growing belief that humanity is approaching a prophetic deception unlike anything seen before.

*Into the Storm* by Silvia McKelvey—order your copy when you call 1-800-652-1144. That's 1-800-652-1144. You can also order online at swrc.com. The month of June is set to be an exciting month at Southwest Radio Ministries. With the details, here's Josh Davis with ministry president Dr. Kenneth Hill.

Dr. Kenneth Hill: Well, God is still on the throne. That hasn't changed. And yet God changes things by the very prayer of His people. So let's say it the way that Noah Hutchings and all the rest of the folks have said it in years gone by: Hey listen, God is still on the throne and prayer changes things. Hallelujah, isn't that good? My name's Kenneth Hill. I'm the president of Southwest Radio Church of the Air, Incorporated. That means that I get a chance occasionally to do some things as it relates to what you hear on the Watchman on the Wall broadcast. I am excited about what we're doing at Southwest Radio Church Ministries and I'm excited about what we can talk about today. We've got a few minutes to talk and I've been asked to come to the mics today so that you can hear from me as well as hear from Josh Davis. Josh, of course, is our staff evangelist and he is on the air all the time. Boy, they keep him busy. He's running from one place to the other and doing video work and doing audio work. Josh, welcome to the mic.

Josh Davis: Thank you, Dr. Hill. It's wonderful to be with you today.

Dr. Kenneth Hill: Well, it's good to be with you. I have worked with your dad, known your dad for a long, long time. You came up in the family and I didn't get to know you, but I knew who you were. Then God put you in our organization here—in His organization, really—and we got the chance to get to know you. So God bless you, brother. It's so good to see you.

Josh Davis: Good to see you too. I'm so glad that we can spend this time together today.

Dr. Kenneth Hill: Indeed. Well, we want to talk about what's going on at SWRC, what is being done, and what we're looking forward to in the next number of weeks as we go into the summer months. Boy, the summer months, oh, they're so tough. It's nice and hot when we get into the summer fully. We've had some hot days in the springtime, but we're not yet to the hot days on a regular basis yet. We'll get there soon. But when we get there, we're going to be facing some heat in other ways, and that includes heat from creditors when we have a need to pay bills and we don't have the money with which to pay it. Now, that sounds pretty bad for an organization that depends on the Lord, doesn't it?

Josh Davis: Yeah, but we have always been a faith-based ministry. There's no large denomination or group or fund that supports SWRC. It's just our regular support from our faithful listeners. We're so glad that God has raised up so many faithful people to support this ministry through thick and thin, and we are grateful for each one who prays for this ministry.

That's what we're just encouraging our listeners to do today—just continue lifting up Southwest Radio Ministries in your prayer. Dr. Hill, I believe that the ministry is here for a purpose and for such a time as this. With Watchman on the Wall, we try to proclaim God's truth that needs to be heard across the world in these days that we live. We understand the signs of the times and the urgency of the heir to get out the gospel. So I'm glad that we can continue all the various avenues, including adding some new outreaches as this year continues on. I'm thankful for the opportunity to share God's truth.

So we're just asking people to pray and see how the Lord may touch their heart to give to the work of Southwest Radio Ministries. As you said, it's an ongoing need every single month. There's those bills to be paid and that doesn't stop in the summer. That would be nice if we just said, "Oh yeah, it's the summertime, we're taking a break from our bills." We all know that's not the way it works.

Dr. Kenneth Hill: Doesn't happen that way, does it? Yes, we are so blessed to have folks who continue to support the ministry on a regular basis and we appreciate that. That's very important. I see here they're pointing to me. I guess we're done with the conversation right now, but I'll tell you what, folks: you remember to pray for us and then give as God directs you to give to the work of swrc.com. God bless you, my friend. I am excited about what God's going to do, and He's going to be using you, my friend, as you allow yourself to be used by Him. Oh my goodness, it's going to be great. God bless you, Josh.

Josh Davis: God bless you, Dr. Hill. Thank you. Thanks for being with me today. I've appreciated it greatly. And dear friend, God bless you greatly, I pray.

Announcer: What if the UFO mystery isn't about visitors from another planet but something far closer and far more dangerous? In her eye-opening new book, *Into the Storm: UFOs, the Paranormal, and the Unseen Battle for Planet Earth*, Silvia McKelvey examines decades of UFO reports, military testimony, congressional UAP investigations, and biblical prophecy to uncover a startling possibility.

Could the growing fascination with non-human intelligence, interdimensional beings, artificial intelligence, and the Nephilim be setting the stage for a massive end-times deception? McKelvey explores the spiritual dimensions behind the phenomenon and what it could mean for the future of humanity.

Get your copy of *Into the Storm* by Silvia McKelvey today. Call 1-800-652-1144. That's 1-800-652-1144. You can also order online at swrc.com. More insight into the UFO storm of Silvia McKelvey coming up on tomorrow's program, so be sure to tune in. Watchman on the Wall is a production of Southwest Radio Ministries and is supported by faithful listeners like you. Visit swrc.com.