Bethel Deliverance International Church

Aretha Swift: My faith was challenged because all I was doing, Pastor, was receiving the medication.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: I will say to everyone, you're going to go through it, and some are going through it now listening to us. So I encourage them to, number one, if they don't have a personal relationship with the Lord, let that be your priority.

Well, praise the Lord everyone, and welcome to the Shifting Times podcast. I'm your host, Pastor Eric Lambert of Bethel Deliverance International Church. Here on the Shifting Times podcast, we like to address issues that are biblically related, issues that challenge the culture, issues that will build your faith and bring you a strong desire to chase after the heart of God for what you need.

We like to bring you what I call regular people. Often on these types of shows, you get the superstars of the gospel, and sometimes those messages could be rehearsed or just an accumulation of facts and information. Here on the Shifting Times broadcast, we like to bring you regular people who are going through the same struggles you may be confronting in your everyday life.

We want you to know that God loves you and that He is the same God you find in the Holy Bible. In fact, He says to the people in Malachi's writings, "I am the Lord, and I change not." Then the writer to the Hebrews said, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, today, and forever."

Today, this subject is very dear to my heart because a lot of people are wondering, "Does God still heal?" Obviously, there are two dimensions of healing. There's the healing that comes from a miraculous move of God, and then there's the miraculous healing that comes through medical intervention. So all healing is miraculous because it comes from the hand of God.

Today, we have my sister, Aretha Swift, and she's going to share with us today her journey of healing. Aretha has been at Bethel longer than most people here—a long time. We've watched her grow in the Lord and remain faithful even during challenging times. So, Aretha, we want to welcome you to the Shifting Times podcast.

Aretha Swift: Thank you, Pastor, and thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: It is a pleasure. You look nice in that pink. I like that.

Aretha Swift: Thank you. I like your blue.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: Blue's my favorite color, so we have to put that on. We're sending a message of stability. We want to talk with you about the past 25 years. Share your journey—some of the ups and downs that you've experienced during that time and how your faith enabled you to stay level with the ups and downs of the situation.

Aretha Swift: It has been a journey. I was diagnosed with chronic kidney disease. Prior to that, when I was pregnant with my first child, there's a period in pregnancy when we have to drink a solution to determine what our sugar level is. Mine was relatively high. At the time, I was diagnosed with gestational diabetes.

My daughter just turned 35. At that time, I didn't know what it was. I was living in Houston. The doctor said, "Call home and ask your mom if it runs in the family." At that time, we just didn't know. Years later, I discovered, yes, on both sides of the family.

I carried my daughter gestationally and the doctor had told me at the time, "I'm just going to let you know, with African American women, the chances of it continuing on or us developing it down the line—the stats reflect that it's more prevalent with us." That's what happened. I had my second child, my Joshua, and I had it with him.

Then I got pregnant—a surprise pregnancy—at 40, and I had it with my youngest. So it was full-blown then. That is one of the reasons why I ended up being diagnosed with chronic kidney disease, which is when your kidneys aren't functioning properly. They don't release the fluids and the water in your blood, they don't clean the blood properly or release the fluids, and as a result, those fluids back up and you have toxins in your body.

That's killing you because it's not coming out in the urine properly. In 2009, something happened to me. Prior to that, I was not in a position to focus on my health. I was in an unhealthy marriage, I was in a very high position professionally, and I had these three beautiful children.

I'll never forget 2009. I reached the big pause: menopause. I got my AARP card in the mail because they get you right before you're 50. And I was diagnosed with chronic kidney disease. That's where the journey really began. But prior to that, I had chronic kidney disease and didn't know it. Over 37 million adults in America have chronic kidney disease but don't know it. 90% don't know that they have it.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: When it comes to chronic illness, we don't want to know. It's almost like we don't want the doctor to tell it to us. We just wish it would go away, particularly if you're a Christian. Christians live in denial because, "Oh well, we believe God."

But I'm proactive. I like to go every three months to get blood work because I want to see what's happening to give God something to work with. Did you find when you had that diagnosis, did it challenge your faith?

Aretha Swift: It challenged my faith, but I was so consumed with trying to be a professional, trying to be a wife, trying to be a mother, and then the stressors that I was having in my life at the time—I didn't focus on my health like I should have.

I had a primary who was great. She was wonderful. I miss her to this day, but her parents got sick and she moved back to California. She kept saying, "Mrs. Swift, your kidneys look sick." Sick. And I still couldn't process that, yet I was feeling it in my body.

I'm driving around the Commonwealth for my job, pulling over at rest stops on the turnpike, sleeping in my van just to get myself enough strength to get home or to get to Harrisburg or to get to Pittsburgh. It was that bad.

My faith was challenged because all I was doing, Pastor, was receiving the medications that they were prescribing. They were trying to figure out how to balance this thing out with diabetes and high blood pressure, which are the two causes when it comes to chronic kidney disease. Those things I had. I didn't just have high blood pressure; I had chronic hypertension.

Chronic hypertension, type two diabetes, stress, cholesterol—all of these things were going on, and I was eating out of control. I couldn't process that with trying to be all those other things and my health. We do know what's going on in our body. Denial is the number one thing.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: It's almost as if we say, "I want to live forever, but on my terms." I don't want to make the necessary changes that come as a result of getting older. The metabolism slows down, you can't eat the things you used to, and we're going to do what we want to do anyway, particularly in the African American community.

So you're in this position now where you have what I call the big three: hypertension, kidney disease, and diabetes—the ones that can really impact your life with your limbs and your eyes and everything. So now you're confronted by this. The stress of the job, the stress of the family, trying to hold all that together—how did you do it?

Aretha Swift: I didn't do it on my own. I had motivation. Those three things, number one. When my doctor called me and said, "Listen, your levels are high from all the blood work. Get to emergency right away," I would not go. She called my daughter, Jamie, at college: "Can you convince your mother?"

Jamie called: "Mom, Grandmommy... Mom won't go. They're saying she needs to be in emergency or she's going to go into shock." I wouldn't go because I was scared. I knew I was sick. Then I started to think, "Is this going to take me out?" Yes, it's going to take me out, but I'm not moving.

Once Mom called me, she was like, "What are you doing, baby? You're sick. You think these doctors are telling you this just to be telling? What about your children? What about you? You haven't even begun to do the things that the Lord has in store for you. Get yourself together, get a shower, and go to that hospital."

When I went in emergency, he said I should have been dead a long time ago. I had enough toxins in me that it should have taken me out a long time ago. That's when reality set in, and then reality came also when I had to go on dialysis.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: The dialysis treatment is really an eye-opener and really causes you to feel, "I need to make some changes," or, "I need to really be a participant in my own health." A lot of our audience—I think some of them are going through dialysis treatment or maybe even avoiding it. The creatinine numbers are not good, but they don't want to deal with that because there's a fear that, "I will not get a kidney." How did you deal with that weight, with that patience that you have to have when you waited for a kidney transplant?

Aretha Swift: That's when grace comes in and that's when I really began. I was locked down for three days—three and a half to four hours with 15-gauge needles, two in my arm. I remember walking in with my mom. I'm 50 years old, holding onto her like a child. It was a medicinal smell and I was like, "What is this place?"

I had never heard of chronic kidney disease, let alone diabetes. Now I'm caught up into this whole medical arena, and now I'm going in for a machine to keep me alive. It was terrifying. The Lord saved me at 10 years old. Yes, I went on and lived my life and I tried to go to church and do all those things, but when you get a certain age, you couldn't keep me out of my Bible because I couldn't go anywhere.

Not only that, I knew even though in the midst of everything going on and having gotten closer to the Lord just because of my family dynamic, I said, "I always felt something major's going to happen in my life," never knowing I would need a kidney and never knowing I would be on dialysis.

I'm letting everybody know, you need the Lord. Dialysis is something that you don't want to experience, but if you have to, do it. Try to do it with the heart of praise and thanksgiving, knowing that God's going to bring you out or He's going to sustain you whether you get a kidney or not. I waited almost six years to get a kidney. Got my first kidney and it rejected immediately after waiting six years.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: Your body just rejected it?

Aretha Swift: There's a virus that comes upon people who get organ transplants and it's called BK virus. It had attached itself to my kidney. They tried everything to save that kidney and it just didn't work. But guess what? Anybody that donates a kidney, that's an admirable, gracious act of kindness.

I did go silent voicewise, but I was thankful to the person that actually donated the kidney to me because I got to experience it for just a little. I knew something wasn't right after a certain period of time. But it was the grace of God: staying in the word, still coming to church.

Some people didn't even know for years I was on dialysis. I don't want that kind of attention, but it drew me closer to the Lord. I was like, "This is the biggest thing I thought of." I kept saying over the years, "Something big's going to happen for me." I was like, "A kidney transplant? Dialysis?" But it got to the point, Pastor, where I became comfortable to the point I know God is sustaining me through it.

I started walking after I got out of that chair. They were like, "Mrs. Swift, please, you got to take it easy." I started walking, walked myself up to five miles while I was on dialysis. I began to minister to the people in the dialysis center.

I had a reputation of being Hollywood. I danced down to my chair, get in my chair, and really focused because this right here will mess you up. You look at all those people missing limbs and they just don't take it well. They're unkempt, some of them. They're lonely, and my heart just began to pour out. It got to the point where my techs and all started asking me to comfort somebody who came in that wasn't doing very well. So it was the Lord that sustained me.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: The emotional rollercoaster that goes with all of this—these are very serious conditions. Any one of them could have the effect of you being promoted to heaven. You had all three working. I watched you during church and we would talk often, and you never complained. You never felt pity. I can't even remember you having a bad day. Now I'm sure you did, but you kept it to yourself.

Our audience is going through the same types of things. They're watching this now and they're drawing strength from what you say. Some of them are feeling like God has abandoned them, and that's a very real feeling when you have a life planned and that plan is just perfect, and here comes a Job experience. The first emotion is to affix blame. Whose fault was it? Did I do anything wrong? Did you have those struggles?

Aretha Swift: Yes, and I contributed to what I was going through. They kept saying, "You need to change your diet." I went through the nutritionist, I went through the dietary training, but just didn't... couldn't follow... seemed to follow that. Exercise—prior to going on—wasn't consistent with that. Try to lessen your workload—wasn't consistent with that. The marriage wasn't working—wasn't consistent with that. I had all of these factors against me.

Then I'm just popping pills—drugs that were prescribed to me—not even knowing what the side effects were. I became more educated once this came upon me. I'm reading, I'm asking what are the side effects, "Do I really need this?" asking the Lord should I be taking this or that. You're just in a whole different mindset.

You know the scripture in James chapter one verses two and three where he's talking about counting it all joy? I say to people when I'm speaking, that sounds very good and poetic when it's coming from the pulpit, right? And I said, "Have you ever had any trials and tests in your life?" Well, I have. And I'm not feeling brother James right now. What do you mean count it all joy when they're telling me I'm going to die or I won't live to see my kids graduate, or all of these negatives because my body is reflecting it in the blood work?

It's in the blood. I had to make an intelligent decision: how do I live and what kind of quality of life do I want to have? But I will say to everyone, you're going to go through it, and some are going through it now listening to us. So I encourage them to, number one, if they don't have a personal relationship with the Lord, let that be your priority.

And then also, familiarize yourself with what's going on in your body because you know. I said that in the beginning. Talk to your doctors, listen to them, and just knowledge up. Ask and get around people that are going to help you during that time. I had my church family, I had my family, my children, my sisters in the ministry. I had people that cared about me enough, and those that I shared with, to elevate me.

But I noticed people coming into the center, they don't have that, even if you're dealing with cancer or something else. You need somebody in your life that's going to be that encourager, and hopefully it's someone that's going to encourage you not only with the word of God but encourage you to the point where you are motivated enough to say, "I can do this."

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: There's a level of self-discipline in what you're saying. Lots of people, particularly believers, will always go back to scripture and say, "I'm believing God to heal me." They never quite get the fact that God has different pathways for healing. It all doesn't come in that speak a word or the laying on of hands. There's some things we have to do, and there's some situations that come upon us that the Lord will just allow to stay, but grace you to get victory over.

Fast forward to 2025—is when the Swift Ministries really began to take off. So here you are now with this tremendous testimony of the keeping power of God, the healing power of God, and the mind-regulating power of God, and you decided to take all of those experiences and launch out into the deep. What is the Swift Ministries all about?

Aretha Swift: Swift Advocate LLC focuses on health and wellness, and in particular, promoting health and wellness with a focus on chronic kidney disease. I've learned over the years that I'm talking to people who aren't necessarily dealing with kidney disease; they're dealing with cancer, they're dealing with chronic illness.

What I do is, number one, I speak. I share my testimony and let people know that I'm a miracle. I'm a miracle more than once, and I'm grateful. So what I do is I speak to different organizations and while people may think it's just women, believe it or not, I speak with men as well. Because they don't... y'all don't do well on dialysis. It's sad when I've heard it and watched it.

I know someone now currently who's having a rough time. I've also watched a young man at 47 years old stop coming and died two weeks later because you have to come to get the fluid and the toxins and all of those things out. But that's what I do. Most of my work is with promoting health and wellness for us to stop getting to the point where I've heard many times, "Well, I'm going to die from something anyway." You're a child of God and you're speaking like that? But people feel that way: "I'm going to die from something anyway," but you're suffering. I suffered those years. I suffered, and we don't have to.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: But you had a lot of things that caused you to slip to that position of sickness and disease. Is it true then, in your opinion, that many things come upon us because of neglect of our bodies? Now I agree some things are genetic. I know in my family, everybody on my mother's mother's side were diabetic. It was just part of us, so I always tell my family physician, "That's in my gene pool. Keep an eye out for it. If you start seeing anything change, you let me know right away," because like you, I started studying and looking at my family history.

What's there? Doctors do that; they'll always say, "Do you have this in your family? Do you have that in your family?" Unfortunately, for most Black people, we don't know what's in our family. So here you find out that you have these things that have attacked your body, but yet you maintain faith in the promise of God and not let it detour you from serving the Lord.

Aretha Swift: Amen. I'm going to tell you, dialysis was good for me. It was good for me in the context of it cleaned my body out, number one. But it made me realize if I don't take this seriously, I'm going to die. Mom said something to me one day. She called me: "Baby, I hear the Lord say don't get comfortable on that machine because that's not His plan for you." Don't get comfortable because I started losing heart. She could tell, emotionally I was losing heart.

But the one thing that I've realized is that it was good for me and it taught me that I'm going to have to focus on doing this. If I want to see, live, and grow old with my children and enjoy grands if the Lord allows me to have them one day, I want to be there and be able to do that. Not only that, live my life, especially doing what I'm doing now.

I get great joy out of sharing my testimony, but not only that, that people trust me enough to do some of the things that I suggest because it's not easy. I cannot sit here and tell you the glamors that I've had in my life of being sick. No, that's not going to happen. But the reality is we don't have to remain that way. We don't have to remain that way.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: That's, for me, that's the key to any situation. I think that God allows things to happen and He tests our response. How are you going to handle this? You look in second Corinthians 12, Paul gets the thorn in the flesh, he prays three times, Lord says no three times, and Paul just shifted his mindset. He said, "Fine, then in my weakness I'm strong." What a tremendous testimony, and you're saying the same thing that Paul did—that God's not going to blow on you and change all these situations, but He's going to change your outlook and cause you to become more disciplined, more determined, and through the things that you suffered, you turned it into something to help someone else.

Aretha Swift: Exactly. Also, we grow up thinking that because God is God, that He's just going to do... no, faith without works is dead. Also realizing that if we don't put out the effort, we're going to die in that state. We're going to waste away in that state, and I know in families there are people who are sick, some are terminal—didn't have to be that way.

I know for me, when I said I was responsible, yes, I was responsible and I had to... matter of fact, I heard a sermon from you over the years talking about it never was God's plan for us to be sick, but because of the sinful nature of this world and of man, sickness comes and it's how you deal with it.

One of the benefits I talk about with Swift Advocate LLC is the acronym that you also had, and I said, "That's amazing." I was sitting on dialysis one day and the acronym ACTS came to mind: Advocate, Change To Survive. You have to advocate for your health. You have to go for it. You have to be disciplined and decide, "I'm going to do this."

You have to change your thinking because if you don't, you won't be able to make it. You'll sit there in distress watching programs and seeing all these ads come up on these different diseases that are popping up and medications and the side effects, and you're sitting there popping them too. You have to do something. You have to exercise, you have to change your diet, you have to forgive.

People don't think that forgiveness and illness go together. They conflict. There was this study done at Johns Hopkins University on forgiveness. When you're harboring and holding angst or something against someone, it hardens your heart, your muscles, your vessels, and corpuscles, and all of those things.

So I had to... that was the number one thing I had to do was forgive. I read that study. We had to read that study when I was getting my degree in forensic psychology. The instructor made a big deal out of it. Here I was, this born-again Christian, could not tie in the scientific realities to it.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: Then I started thinking, anything behavioral in the scriptures when God addresses our behaviors and our responses, there's always a mode of healing that goes with that. When He says forgive people, when He says honor your mother and father, He's simply suggesting to us that when you do these things, you're going to live long. I mean, it's no magic wand where He says honor your mother and father and your days will be long. When you honor them, you obey them.

I sit here today, Ree, and I say if I had listened to my mother and father years ago, there were a lot of things I suffered that I would never had suffered, even into my body—eating certain things. I had to find out where the rebellion would come from in my body because I didn't eat what she told me. She's trying to get me to eat beets and little cabbages, and I couldn't eat none of that stuff. Here now, I go to a salad bar and the first thing I pick up is beets. I pick up the stuff that she told me not to eat because now finally I realize it works, and you're right. Holding onto bitterness can cause all these other things.

Aretha Swift: It messes with everything, your whole being. Once I started reading about that and how God—He can't forgive us—and yet I'm walking around this woman of God and I'm holding one person... one person in the whole wide world, I'm holding them. Once I let that go, it was like I could breathe, and I'm grateful for that.

I also had mentioned to you earlier that the first kidney rejected, so that was 2016. I had an opportunity for my second transplant on September 20th, 2019. I had called... first I called my kids, I called Mom, I called you. I remember you saying to me—because then I'm thinking, "I don't want to go through this again, but I don't want to be on dialysis for the rest of my life," and these opportunities don't come by because you're talking anywhere from six to 10 years before you can possibly get a transplant.

I remember you telling me, you kept saying, "Take the kidney, sis. Take the kidney, sis. Don't put God in a box. Take the kidney." TT and I have been just fine ever since. I named her TT because my sister's birthday was that Friday, and we were supposed to go to DC to celebrate her birthday. TT came, so when she celebrates her birthday, I celebrate.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: It's a miracle to see how God has brought you all the way through. I think that it's important that you share your story with as many people as you can. Especially now, sickness is on the rise and our people are losing hope. Many of our people have no substantive healthcare. They don't even understand what to do when these things come up. I think the greatest casualty is the loss of hope. Our people are hopeless. They just think there's certain things that are supposed to happen to us because of our genealogy. "Okay, well, Black people get this and Black people get that."

Granted, there are some things that are indigenous to us, but we don't have to die with it. Your testimony says just that: whatever came upon me, I don't have to die with it. I'm determined not to die with it. Here God is keeping you and giving you the ability to rescue someone else. It puts me in mind of Luke 22, when Jesus told the disciple, "Satan desires to have you that he may sift you as wheat," but He said, "I'm praying that your faith doesn't give way, and when you come out of it, strengthen someone else." That's what you're doing with Swift Advocate LLC. I like that because we should advocate for ourselves.

Aretha Swift: Seniors and people, you need a second set of eyes and ears when you go to the doctor. That I promote more than anything because a lot of times they're speaking a language that we may not understand. I also encourage people to use wisdom and read up on certain things. Just don't take pills just because they prescribed them to you. It's interesting to meet people and we're all on the same medication. I'm like, "This is really strange." But it is what it is. God does not condone medicine—I mean, He's okay with medicine. Any way possible to get healed or stay healed or stay well, He's for it.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: That's the discipline we have to adjust to—that God does heal in different ways. He has many pathways. In the scriptures, He sends Isaiah back to Hezekiah and He tells him to make a poultice of figs—natural cure. We find out later that there's something in a fig that kills cancer. So there was the theological concept was that Hezekiah had a cancerous melanoma. So Isaiah comes back and he puts that fig on him and it goes away.

Jesus did His thing—He really did. I think everybody looks for that. But God does things. When I was a child, in my... on my father's side, the Jamaican side, whenever I had a chest cold, Daddy would give me lime juice and honey, and sure enough, it would knock it right out. We didn't have all those sophisticated medicines—castor oil and all of that. I think that today we're lazy. We just let the doctors write a prescription, we never question it, we never come back to find out, "Should I even take this?" or better yet, "Doc, is there something else? Is there something I can do naturally?"

Aretha Swift: I will admit I was one of those people—just a numerous amount of prescribed drugs. When they started having side effects, now they're switching things around to try to get me to a point where my pressure is leveling out. But I contributed to that as well.

But I say also I felt better... dialysis was good for me because I feel better now than I was going through the chronic kidney disease, the end stages. I feel much better. Once I left dialysis, I felt so clean and free and that I was aligning myself with the word of God. It was like, "God, if we just listen and take You for who You are—You're powerful, You're wonderful, You love me."

That's the thing. I thought, "I'm not being loved right now, if this is the big thing that I thought I was going to have." But you also know last year I shared something with you—and I don't mind doing that now—where I celebrated six years with my kidney in September, and the same week, I got a breast cancer diagnosis. God brought me through it.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: God brought you through it.

Aretha Swift: He brought me through it, and like my son said, my Joshua, "Mom, you just have another testimony to add and share with the people." And I'm grateful.

Bishop Eric A. Lambert, Jr.: I remember when you talked about that diagnosis. You didn't have the urgency that you may have had back at the beginning because God had given you this testimony, "If I took care of that, I'm going to take care of this." He's so good. I'm glad you were with us today, sis. It's a beautiful, beautiful story, and I know you've helped someone today.

We've come to the end of our time today and listen, I want to encourage you to do two things. Number one, go to the doctor and get your blood work. Go get everything checked. Like I said, I get it every three months anyway because I just want to stay ahead of things. I don't like playing catch-up. I like to be ahead of the game.

So I want to encourage you: get ahold of your primary care doctors, find out about those areas of importance—your cholesterol levels, make sure your creatinine level (which is your kidney readings), make sure your glucose is in good range. You don't want to have to try and play catch-up. If you can catch it early, it's treatable. There is nothing that comes upon us that we can't deal with if we catch it early.

Many of you are believers and you're, "Oh, I give it to the Lord, I give it to the Lord." Well, take it back and start doing things to make sure you're in good health. This is what the scripture says. He said, "Beloved, I wish above of all things that you prosper and be in health." That means get your healing and keep it.

In fact, if you really look at Exodus 16, when the Lord says, "If you listen to what I say, I will put none of these diseases upon you that I put upon the Egyptians, for I am Jehovah Rapha." And the Hebrew term Jehovah Rapha doesn't just mean "I'm the Lord that heals"; it means "I'm the Lord that keeps you from getting sick." So God is very much into prevention.

So we want you to take that. That's the first thing: go and get your blood checked and get your body checked. You get your car inspected, so get your body inspected. Number two, change your diet. Start eating more healthy foods. I'm not saying you can't have your little junk food every now and then, but not every day. Take care of yourself.

You only get one body, you only get one of everything, and when it's over, it's over. So why not enjoy your time here and give God something to work with—a healthy body, a healthy mind, and a healthy soul. If you do that, you will enjoy life and remember, Jesus said, "I am come that they might have life and that they might have life more abundantly."

God doesn't want us to be sick. God wants us to understand what it means to walk in health. Now we want to thank sister Aretha for being with us today, and you try to get ahold of Swift Advocate LLC and let Aretha speak to you about ways that you can get your healing stabilized. We're going to put the information for her ministry work right at the bottom of the screen.

You write it down and you give her a call and you let her know that you would like for her to come and talk to your women's group, your church group, whatever, because people need help. They need encouragement. They need to know that, "I can beat anything that the devil throws at me."

So get that information at the bottom of the screen and give Aretha a call and let her know that you are desirous of having her come to give you some information to help you during times of crisis in your life. Well, thanks for joining us. It's been a pleasure to be with you again, and remember, the times are shifting. The only one that's stable is God. So you continue to hold onto the word of God. He'll bring you through. God bless you. See you again on another episode of Shifting Times.

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