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Guest (Male): This is Viewpoint with attorney and author Chuck Crismier. Viewpoint is a one-hour talk show confronting the issues of America's heart and home. And now, with today's edition of Viewpoint, here is Chuck Crismier.

Chuck Crismier: Today we return to COVID, believe it or not. After the first five years now, we are returning to the message of COVID. The COVID message still matters. It might actually reveal the message of the Mark. So, I welcome you to Viewpoint here today. I'm Chuck Crismier. It’s conversation as always with ever-increasing conviction, talk that transforms. It's been a long time since we've talked about COVID, and I'm thankful for that, but behind the scenes, there's still been a lot of talk about COVID. We're going to see how that has come about today on Viewpoint.

The COVID vaccine refusal was the 10th highest reason for job cuts in 2021, shortly after the COVID thing was announced. That's the latest report. While experts say they are still in the so-called Great Resignation, a recent jobs cut report uncovered vaccine refusal as the 10th highest reason for job cuts in 2021. The numbers were released by a Chicago-based outplacement and business and executive coaching firm. It came on the same day President Biden announced new federal guidance and a deadline for tens of millions of workers to get vaccinated.

At that time, roughly 5,000 people that had lost their jobs in the last month were due to the COVID vaccine refusal and made up actually 22% of the total number of people that were tracked being let go across the whole country. Challenger said that since vaccines became widely available to adults in June of 2021, more than 6,800 workers had been cut or left their jobs because of vaccine mandates. They anticipated that numbers would grow following the new federal deadline for two-thirds of the country workforce announced just a few days before that in 2021.

Businesses with at least 100 employees would have until January 4, 2022, to require workers to be fully vaccinated or face weekly testing. San Francisco city and county workers who hadn't gotten vaccinated yet, as of November 1st, were able to lose their jobs. We're talking about companies, HR leaders, really a lot of turmoil within their organizations across just about every sector, said the report. 3,350 plus member companies had consistently supported vaccine mandates at that time in the Bay Area. One person said it's really a credit to the kind of forward-thinkers of our region and it served us well.

But it didn't serve a lot of people well. In fact, we're going to see today that the COVID job cuts did not serve a lot of people well. And now, the fruit is coming back to those companies that severed their employees. As one said though, at that time, it almost feels like the rest of the country is catching up now to what the Bay Area has been doing since the start of the pandemic. "We're glad you’re here, welcome," they said. The Biden administration vaccine rules for businesses would impact at that time more than 100 million workers around the US. Indeed, they did.

But we're going to find today that the kind of impact they had, the courts have said, not so fast, my friends, not so fast. Now, there's no comprehensive or official national tally that's tracking every individual court verdict won by plaintiffs concerning this. But a small number of high-profile jury trials have resulted in plaintiff wins alongside numerous multi-million dollar class action matters and EEOC settlements. Those are now coming home to roost as of 2024, 2025, 2026.

That's what we want to talk about here today on Viewpoint. Why is it that a Hawaii Lieutenant Governor has just been indicted on bribery and campaign finance charges? It connects directly to COVID. Really, how could an investigation and now a new indictment connect a Democrat member of one of the highest offices in the land, the Lieutenant Governorship of Hawaii, be directly connected to COVID?

You see, we're finding out that things were much broader than we thought that they were. It wasn't just a matter of the fear tactics that were being promoted by Dr. Fauci, aided by Dr. Birx, on television day after day after day, telling us that there was no way out, that this was going to destroy the entire world, that it was going to take everyone by advantage, and if you didn't get the jab, you were of necessity going to lose your job because this is so deadly important.

So, people did lose their jobs over and over and over again—that is, those who refused to take the jab. But many of those who refused to take the jab did so for a variety of different reasons. Some felt the jab was just unsafe. Some felt that it was unnecessary. Some felt that it was full of poppycock promoted to enrich the pharmaceutical companies and had no legitimacy or testing to support it. Others said it violated their religious and spiritual convictions. Some said it came from fetuses, was developed out of fetuses, and they were not going to support it because it supported the abortion industry.

Those were many of the reasons why people refused to take the jab. But today we're finding that the courts are discriminating between many of those reasons and saying there seems to be only one that carries the day. What reason is that that carries the day? And what happens if the businesses refuse to allow a person not to take the jab because of that one reason? That's what we want to look at here on the program today. So, welcome to Viewpoint. I'm Chuck Crismier. It’s conversation as always with ever-increasing conviction, talk that transforms.

It's a big deal. The COVID message still matters. But what is the COVID message? Well, I guess it depends on who you talk to. I think there's a significance to the COVID message that many were becoming aware of, but perhaps were very hesitant to voice because they didn't want to be considered too religious or too spiritual or, some might say, conspiratorial, and so they didn't voice it.

Many pastors did not voice it. Other pastors said if you don't take the jab, you're not a Christian. Did you know that? Prominent pastors said you don't take the jab and you're not a Christian because you don't love your neighbor as yourself. Would that same pastor say if you don't take the mark of the beast, you're not a Christian because you don't love your neighbor as yourself and you might lose your children because of it—the government might take over your children and, therefore, you must take the jab? So where does must-ness come in? It creates a lot of mustiness in our thinking.

Perhaps we can clear up some of it here on the program today. The COVID message still matters: the jab or my job. We'll be right back.

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Chuck Crismier: Again, I welcome you back to Viewpoint. Today, we're resurrecting the subject of COVID, actually, because of things that are developing, and it helps us to understand the significance of what took place for the five years starting about the end of 2019 and then on through 2020 and on through the current date. So, the COVID situation still matters. It really does. And now, an indictment places one of Hawaii's highest-ranked elected officials, a Democrat, in a broader public corruption case. Why?

Well, part of the case has to do with moneys received for giving favors with regard to COVID. Interesting. A conspiracy to commit bribery and falsifying campaign committee reports, also accepting campaign contributions in exchange for helping advance COVID-19 testing contracts while serving in the state legislature. In other words, money played a huge part in the COVID message. Money.

Now, we know that it did with regard to the pharmaceutical companies that were involved in producing these things. It made billions and billions and billions of dollars for them. But it also increased the power and the perks and the position of other individuals, such as Dr. Fauci. Dr. Fauci's diary has now just been released, and it shows that he was so pompous about the issue of his standing with regard to the nation and the nations of the world, that in his diary, he doesn't really talk about the dangers of COVID. He doesn't talk about the problems that he's dealing with. He just talks about how he's getting so popular and how he can't walk anywhere without people virtually bowing and scraping to him, that his name is more prominent than Donald Trump's and so on.

In other words, it was about power, perks, and position. When power, perks, and position came into the role with regard to the teaching of Jesus of Nazareth, everything else had to fall. The scribes, the Pharisees, and the Sadducees were so annoyed that they were infuriated by the fact that Jesus and his message were becoming, they feared, more popular than them. And therefore, they had to take him out. Pontius Pilate said it was but for envy that they brought him. It was about power, about perks, and about position.

In fact, actually, Pontius Pilate's willingness—even though he said it was but for envy that they brought him—his willingness to accede to their demands also was about power, perks, and position. He wanted to preserve his power and his position with regard to the Roman Empire. He wanted to keep the perks that came with that because it made him a big cheese there in Palestine. So he wanted to protect power, perks, and position. So it worked on both sides, even though both of them were wrong and had wicked motivations.

So how about with regard to the COVID issue? Were the motivations righteous or unrighteous? I suppose it depends on who you talk to. But as more and more evidence became available, and was available to Dr. Fauci and Dr. Collins—a so-called Christian head of the National Health Institute—it seems that they were willing to ignore the dangers in favor of keeping the message coming. Let's just keep the message coming. It's safer that way to keep the message coming, even though we're increasingly informed and understand that there are great dangers associated with this jab.

Unfortunately, I'm distilling now what really happened, not going into all the details of that. Much of that has been discussed already. But today, we want to take a look at the aftermath of some of this: the jab or my job. And indeed, there are lawsuits that have been instituted across the country. I ask the question: how many lawsuits have been won by plaintiffs suing their employers? The answer: there's no comprehensive or official national tally tracking every individual court verdict won by plaintiffs.

But a small number of high-profile jury trials have resulted in plaintiff wins alongside numerous multi-million dollar class actions and EEOC settlements. Jury verdicts in late 2024: a federal jury awarded roughly 12.7 million to a single worker in a Blue Cross case in Michigan, and another federal jury awarded 1 million each to six fired workers suing in San Francisco Bay's Rapid Transit, or BART, over denied religious accommodations. Prominent private and public employers have opted to settle rather than to face trial, such as a 10-plus million settlement by NorthShore University HealthSystem for over 500 healthcare workers, a $5 million settlement by Battelle Energy Alliance at Idaho National Laboratory, and a 4.25 million agreement by AG Equipment.

But there's a vast majority of individual employee lawsuits that have either been dismissed by the court, settled confidentially out of court, or remain pending five years later, with appellate rulings continuing to shape how lower courts handle these Title VII religious accommodation claims. So that gives a summary, sort of a distillation of the situation with regard to the lawsuits and the claims.

So we're going to go into a little bit of detail with regard to this whole situation. As of November 8, 2021—so we're looking at five years ago, four and a half years ago, well five—approximately 224 million people in America, that is 67% of the total US population, were fully vaccinated against COVID-19. On the same date, COVID-19 cases totaled 46 million and US deaths exceeded 752,000. As the number of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths continued to rise, so did the number of hospitals, health systems, and other healthcare institutions across the country mandate vaccination for employees.

Developments at both the state and national levels were impacting who must be vaccinated and by when. So this came as a combination of events: orders from on high, exhortations from the President, exhortations and demands from governors, and then businesses following suit. It echoed down the track so that within a very short period of time, the entire country was involved and under mandates.

Now, were these mandates righteous or were they unrighteous? Were they rightly determined and placed upon the people, or were they wrongly placed upon the people? You can argue it, I suppose, both ways. One you can say, yes, COVID was a serious thing sweeping the country and, yeah, a lot of people would lose their lives. On the other hand, what was not disclosed is that the number of people that were going to lose their lives from COVID was not much, not that much greater than the number who'd lost their lives from the flu the year before or the year before that. That message just didn't seem to come out. Maybe the difference was maybe 15%, maybe 20%. Did that mandate then that every human being working in America should be mandated to take the shot or lose their job?

And what happens when they lose their job? How is that benefiting the life, the welfare of the country or children? And so the problem echoed on and on and on until the mandate movement was so great, so overwhelming, that people were terrified not to get and exceed to the mandate. They just did. Their answer was, "But I had to," or "But I have to." That was their answer: "But I had to," or "I have to. Otherwise, I'll lose my job."

Now, I want you to remember those words, very important words for our time and for the times coming soon before us. In other words, the message then is a message for today that will affect untold masses of people in the near future. It's not what just happened then; it's the spirit of what happened then that will be amplified in what is soon to happen. Are you listening?

In April of 2021, Houston Methodist, a seven-hospital system, became the nation's first hospital system to require all employees to get vaccinated against COVID-19. Shortly thereafter, the system expanded the requirement to mandate vaccination for all employees and all medical staff with clinical privileges at any of the seven locations, including doctors, nurses, physician assistants, and others. Under the mandate, all 26,000 employees and medical staff were required to submit proof of full vaccination on or before June 7, 2021, or submit required documentation for a medical or religious exemption by May 3, 2021.

The requirement sparked protest among some members of the system's staff and others in the community. To voice their objection to the requirement, many stood outside the Houston Methodist location, talking with the media and holding picket signs with phrases such as "Vaccinate or terminate" or "The jab or my job." On June 7th, pursuant to the system's vaccination policy, 178 Houston Methodist employees received two weeks' suspensions without pay for non-compliance. 25 of those employees obtained vaccinations during the suspension period, thereby meeting the requirement. Therefore, those 25 employees were permitted to return to work.

Of the remaining 153 suspended for opposition to the requirement, 117 led by registered nurse Jennifer Bridges brought a suit against the system. The suit alleges that because the currently available COVID-19 vaccines were experimental and dangerous, Houston Methodist's vaccination policy was violative of public policy and federal law. The plaintiffs further claimed that firing employees for refusing vaccination constitutes wrongful termination.

Two weeks after the case was filed, the judge of the Southern District of Texas granted the system's motion to dismiss, upholding Houston Methodist's vaccination policy. The opinion wholly rejected the plaintiffs' claim, stating that Texas law only protects employees from being terminated for refusing to commit an act carrying criminal penalties to the worker, and receiving a COVID-19 vaccine is not an illegal act and carries no criminal penalties. The opinion cited the Equal Opportunity Commission guidance stating that employers can require employees to be vaccinated against COVID-19 provided there are reasonable accommodations for those with disabilities, legitimate medical conditions, or sincerely held religious beliefs precluding vaccination.

The majority of them lost their case. That was the first big case. So the plaintiffs appealed to the US Court of Appeals. 62 former Houston Methodist employees brought another lawsuit against the system, this time formally alleging wrongful termination. They lost their case. So that led to other hospitals, other medical providers, and so on around the country to follow the procedures of the Houston medical group. The jab or my job. That was really the issue: the jab or my job.

Now, we take a look at some of the cases now that have come down to see what is really going on before we make application. We're going to make application, as I've already hinted at that: serious application to the impact, the ultimate effect of these lawsuits and what the courts have said or not said. In this case, a recent EEOC enforcement involving COVID-19 vaccines appears to go in hand with the administration's broader prioritization of Christian issues. This was published in 2026, just two months ago.

We'll go into the depths of this one in just a few moments after the break. Then we'll take a look at three or four other cases, and then we're going to look at how did the courts distinguish then between those cases that they were going to uphold the plaintiff's positions and those that they rejected, which were the majority. It might be significant for all of us. We'll be back.

Guest (Male): There is so much more about Chuck Crismier and Save America Ministries on our website, saveus.org. For example, under the marriage section: God has marriage on his mind. Chuck has some great resources to strengthen your marriage. First off, a fact sheet on the state of the American union, a fact sheet on the state of ministry, marriage, and morals. Saveus.org: Marriage, Divorce, and Remarriage. What does the Bible really teach about this? Find all of this at saveus.org. Also, a Letter to Pastors: The Hosea Project. Saveus.org: many more resources to strengthen your marriage. It's all on Chuck's website, saveus.org. Again, you can listen to Chuck's Viewpoint broadcast live and archived at Save America Ministries' website at saveus.org.

Chuck Crismier: All right, AG Equipment Company, a manufacturer located in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma, to pay $4.25 million to settle US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission charges that it violated Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 when it fired all individuals who did not provide proof of COVID-19 vaccination in October of 2021.

So the company settled with the EEOC. There were many reasons that were given, some of which I have already iterated to you, that people would provide for why they did not take the COVID shot. Some workers still submitted religious and disability accommodation requests, but the company refused to discuss them. So this settlement had to do with 43 fired workers and a three-year consent decree required the company to train managers to comply with Title VII and the Americans with Disabilities Act.

So this case was brought with regard to disabilities and that the COVID shot would affect people with disabilities, not because they thought that the COVID shot was dangerous in general or only experimental or whatever any of those other reasons were.

Then another case: 10.3 million settlement sends strong warning to employers with vaccine mandates. Challenged a private healthcare company's COVID-19 vaccination policy to consider workers with religious objections when mandating vaccines, according to an attorney representing the plaintiffs. More than 500 current and former healthcare workers at Evanston, Illinois-based NorthShore University HealthSystem would receive a share of the settlement of 10.3 million under an agreement reached, I guess, it was Friday. Very current.

The employees in this case sued the healthcare system because the vaccination policy did not allow them to opt out for religious reasons. So there we have another issue. In the first EEOC case, they refused to hear anything about religion and dealt with it only according to disabilities. Here the issue was a claim of religious exemption. Employees requested and were denied—523 employees requested and were denied—religious exemptions and/or accommodations to its vaccine policy. So that sends a strong warning to employers to consider those with religious objections when mandating vaccines.

Then you've got the problem of, are they real religious exemptions, or are they concocted? And that's what some employers—many employers—tried to deal with. In San Francisco, two years ago, a federal jury sided with fired BART workers who sued the agency, claiming they lost their jobs over a COVID vaccine mandate. They're going to receive over a million dollars each. The employees claimed religious exemptions to the vaccine mandate but said they were not accommodated by the transit agency and subsequently lost their jobs.

BART did initially grant vaccine exemptions, but the plaintiffs argued they weren't accommodated. An accommodation could have meant that they were able to work from home or get tested regularly for COVID. They argued that none of that happened, and they lost their jobs. So there, BART must now pay a combined 7.8 million to all six former employees. Isn't that interesting? No accommodation made. If they were working from home, why were they still required to get the COVID vaccine by the employer when the party at working from home wasn't going to infect any of the people on the job? That was kind of the issue there.

A leading global technology company with locations in 12 US states, specializing in electronics and computing products, must pay $15 million and furnish other relief to resolve charges of religious and disability discrimination filed with the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. The charges were filed in the Phoenix district in December of 2021. The EEOC found reasonable cause to believe that the company discriminated against a class of employees on the basis of religion and disability by denying their COVID-19 vaccine exemption requests and terminating employees who declined to receive vaccines. There was no pandemic exception to workers' civil rights and liberties.

So there we find two exceptions that were allowed: one was disabilities, the other was religious exemption.

Next, coming two years ago, a federal appeals court ruled in favor of a former Philadelphia assistant district attorney who said she was fired for refusing to receive the COVID injection after claiming she was wrongfully denied a religious exemption. In another case, the Connecticut Supreme Court sent a case challenging Connecticut's school vaccine religious exemption back to the superior court. In addition to these two decisions, at least 10 appellate courts had issued decisions in favor of employees who sued their employers over COVID-19 religious or moral exemptions—claims of exemption.

So there we find favorable rulings for the people who claimed moral or spiritual exemption. No American should lose her job for living according to her sincerely held religious beliefs. Now, therein lies the issue: sincerely held. That's the big issue. Are they sincerely held religious beliefs? Well, that then leads the court into determining what is a religious belief and what constitutes sincerely holding one. Does it mean you go to church? How often do you go to church? What church do you go to? What do they believe? How do we know that your belief is sincere? What's your motivation for going to church and so on? You can begin to see how deeply this can go, requiring courts then to do something that might go against the United States Constitution, that the court should not or the government should have no law, make no law, that prohibits the free exercise of religion or tries to control it.

So now the courts get nervous. How are we going to determine this issue? In Tennessee, a bio-scientist was fired for refusing COVID vaccine and was awarded $700,000 in damages. Fired for refusing to receive the mandated COVID injection. According to the lawsuit, her suit said that she firmly believes, based upon personal research, that all COVID-19 vaccines are derived from aborted fetus cell lines. She said she cannot in good conscience receive the shot because it would not only defile her body but also anger and dishonor God.

So the jury, a federal jury, found that she proved by a preponderance of the evidence that her decision to refuse the shot was based on a sincerely held religious belief. The jury awarded to her $177,000 in back pay, $10,000 in compensatory damages, and $500,000 in punitive damages. So we see the matter of sincerely held religious belief begins to come to focus other than disabilities as the premier issue that the courts are looking at.

A woman was fired from her position at Blue Cross Blue Shield Michigan for refusing to take the COVID injection. She was awarded $12.6 million by a jury. She worked as an IT specialist at Blue Cross Blue Shield for more than 30 years, filed a lawsuit against the company after she was fired when her request for religious exemption was denied. A Catholic woman, she was awarded 10 million in punitive damages, 1 million in non-academic damages, 1.3 million in front pay damages, and $350,000 in back pay damages.

The jurors said that Blue Cross Blue Shield illegally discriminated against her when the company denied her request for religious exemption from its policy requiring the COVID injection. And they also found that the company illegally terminated her over the lack of the COVID vaccine. According to the attorney, Lisa is so thankful that a diverse jury of her peers saw through the company's bogus decision to terminate her after 38 years of service. The religious accommodation process was meant to stamp out religious beliefs of employees and promote COVID-19 vaccine within the company.

Hmm. Now we're getting to a motivational issue among companies and even within the government that goes beyond just protecting health. It goes to a hidden motivation to get rid of Christian convictions. We don't want those in our among our staff. We don't want those in our government. We don't want those in our business. Now things are getting more complex.

A federal court ruled in favor of a 20-year Kaiser Permanente employee fired for refusing the COVID shot. The appeals court ruled in favor of the 20-year Kaiser employee who was fired after requesting a religious exemption for the company's mandate to get the shot. She received approval initially for her religious exemption as a remote worker, but later Kaiser revoked it after questioning her about her faith and medical history. Now we start getting into that complexity. What is religious faith? What is sincerely held religious faith? Who gets to determine it? A court? An atheist judge? A radically liberal, a Muslim judge? Who gets to determine what is a sincerely held religious belief?

And then in Wisconsin, federal courts in Wisconsin and Kentucky have issued decisions in favor of employers. Most of those were not based upon sincere religious beliefs, but on other issues that they brought forth. You can see the difference now. Now what we have to do is go back and find out what is the message for you and for me today. Have you ever considered what the early church was like? Many people are developing a heart longing for a greater fulfillment in our practices as Christians. A recent study showed 53,000 people a week are leaving the back door of America's churches in frustration. What is going on? Why has there not been even a 1% gain among followers of Christ in the last 25 years? Could it be that God is seeking to restore first-century Christianity for the 21st century?

Jesus said, "I'll build my church." Is Christ by his spirit stirring to prepare the church for the 21st century? The early church prayed together and broke bread from house to house. They were family, and it was said by all who observed, "Behold how they love one another." Incredible! But the same can be found right now. Go to saveus.org and click Cell Church. We can revive first-century Christianity for the 21st century. It's about people, not programs. It's about a body, not a building. That's saveus.org. Click Cell Church.

Chuck Crismier: As we launch into this final segment of our program here today on Viewpoint concerning COVID, the COVID message that still speaks, I want to present to you my book, *Antichrist: How to Identify the Coming Imposter*. *Antichrist: How to Identify the Coming Imposter*. You say, what does that have to do with COVID? It has everything to do with COVID, friends. It's not COVID itself. It’s that COVID presented the issue that is so seriously, what should we say, should be of such deep concern to professing Christians.

It’s not the COVID itself. It’s how it was dealt with: the attitudes that were involved, the legal processes that were involved, the leadership, both political and business, that took upon themselves to determine what was right, what was wrong, what was true, what was untrue, while at the same time being radically dishonest within themselves as is now being revealed through Dr. Fauci's journal and through many, many other pieces of information, much of which we've talked about historically here on this program, where the actual benefit of the so-called jab cannot truly be proven.

Because vast numbers of people died or were severely injured as a result of taking the jab, which was not reported, which they carefully did not report, even though they knew as early as 2021. Dr. Collins, Dr. Fauci knew as early as 2021 that those problems were serious, were real. But they hid them. Why did they hide them? Because they determined that it would be better to superimpose on all humankind a mandate that they themselves determined to be the best idea, notwithstanding the fact that they didn't even have all the information. And a lot of the information they did have was not in favor of the decisions that they made. In other words, they deceived the people.

Oh, they had their reasons for deceiving the people: some of it was money, some of it was power, some of it was perks, position, but all combined worked, whether it was in government, whether it was in the leadership within government-overseen medical authority such as the National Institute of Health or Dr. Fauci, Dr. Collins, whether it had to do with hospitals, whether it had to do with medical associations that marched in lockstep, bringing dishonor, in fact, to the credibility of their associations because all they did was march in lockstep to orders from on high, just like Adolf Eichmann did in response to German mandates from Herr Hitler. Eichmann suffered the death penalty for doing exactly what these people did with regard to COVID. He was not excused because he did follow orders.

I want you to think about the import of that. You and I as human beings are required to do right, not just follow orders. And that brings a level of discernment that you and I are required to make when it comes to decisions whether to follow orders or not. It's not that we want to be anti-law or anti-order. No, we're anti-evil. The fear of the Lord is to hate evil.

So when we decide that we're more interested in pleasing people than hating evil, we've got a problem. And that's what happened here on a monumental scale. The entire business world capitulated to it. The entire medical world capitulated to it. Doctors did no independent research on their own. They just said, "Also, also, this is what they're saying from on high, also, this is what we're going to do," and then would tell their patients no problem.

They lied. Now, let's put it this way: you might say, well, they didn't really lie, they just didn't tell the whole truth. Well, when I called a witness to the stand as a trial lawyer, the court clerk would ask them to stand and raise their right hand and say after me, "Do you now swear that the testimony you shall give before this court shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me God?" I never yet heard a witness say that they wouldn't do that. And yet they proceeded to lie, to dissimulate. So I had to use cross-examination to undo their lying and to prove their dissimulation. That's what cross-examination is about. That's why I loved it so much. It was amazing what you could draw out from people ultimately through cross-examination.

Now, there's a sense in which right now we're cross-examining our whole society, our whole country, the whole medical profession. I have a number of very close relatives in the medical profession at every level. They understand exactly what we're talking about, and they themselves have had to deal with these mandates. How do we deal with these mandates honestly? The best thing you can do if you're sincere is make a perfectly religious, spiritually based opposition.

My commitment to the Word of God, to the authority in the Scriptures, is such that I cannot submit to this jab, or whatever it is that's coming down the pike. There might be another jab. There might be a chip coming down the pike. Same issue. That's why we're talking about it this way because the message is echoing to our time right now. It's not over.

We're bringing it back so that we can use this as a means of getting under our spiritual skin and talking about it in reality because it's not over yet. COVID is merely a shoehorn that ushered in a much bigger issue for us, and that is how easily will we as professing Christians succumb or submit to ungodly authority? Will we be able to determine ungodly authority? Are we willing to take our lumps, so to speak, as so many did, knowing they were going to lose their jobs? Some people were hit very, very hard as a result of losing their jobs. But they determined it would be better for them to lose their jobs in integrity than to take the jab and the risks that attended to the jab and trust what may, que sera sera. So they made the decision on the base of principle.

Now the Bible tells us very clearly that we're all going to face this issue. All of humankind is going to face this issue, and particularly Christians. We know that in Revelation chapter 13. In Revelation chapter 13, it talks about the rise of a counterfeit Christ figure. We call him the Antichrist. Not an Antichrist, the Antichrist. He is the ultimate incarnation, shall we say, of Satan and all of his evil intents to rule the world with unrighteousness. And he will, through his false prophet, compel every man, woman, and child on the planet to receive a mark.

Now, it's not a COVID shot necessarily, but it may be marketed partly that way. That's what Bill Gates has in mind with his patent application that went in, what was it, 2023, somewhere around there—his patent application, some people call it the 666 patent application—that merged together all medical treatment and all financial control in one chip kind of a situation where a global government could control, manage all of that under a digital worldwide system.

Friends, don't you realize that's where the digital system is going? That's what it's all about. It will be marketed for all kinds of wonderful things: it'll make things easier, quicker, and so on. But it also will—you will give up control. And ultimately, that's what it's really all about: control. So that a one-world government will be able to control your money, that which is in your name, whether you can receive it, whether you can use it, for what you can use it, your medical treatment, whether you're going to be entitled to it or not, what reasons you will not be able to be entitled to it, maybe because you didn't receive the mark. You won't be able to spend your money for food or for gasoline or for whatever else because you didn't receive the mark.

Are you beginning to understand? It's not a game. This is not something that far off now. All of the forces of our world right now, the governmental forces, the business forces and so on, are looking at 2030 as the threshold date for instituting the globalization, the digital globalization of the world. Do you realize that? And when that happens, it will be marketed so wonderfully: this will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, you'll be able to save yourself from so many problems, and we'll be able to provide the most astounding medical treatment instantly all over the world, and money will be so easily transferred back and forth, it will protect against stealing your funds and so on—except for the government.

You see, the message of COVID is really a much bigger message. It's a message that will echo into eternity. You could call it the Message and the Mark. The Message and the Mark. Now, I urge you to get a copy of my book, *Antichrist: How to Identify the Coming Imposter*, because it will help you to see the bigger picture. It's not talking about COVID. It's talking about what is going to happen, what the Bible says is going to happen, very much how it is going to happen and is already happening. This is not a conspiracy theory. This is what Jesus has said. It's right there in the book of Revelation; it's called the Apocalypse of Jesus Christ, the unveiling of Jesus Christ. That's what it's called.

We either believe it or we don't. If you believe it, then you will adjust your mind and your heart, the way you teach your children and your grandchildren. Pastors, the way you teach or don't teach your people that are relying upon you to lead them in the way and the path of righteousness for his namesake, not for your namesake, for his namesake.

These are challenging times. Get a copy of the book. It's a $22 book, yours for $18, I believe, on the website, saveus.org. Give us a call: 1-800-SAVE-USA. *Antichrist: How to Identify the Coming Imposter*. Call us at 1-800-SAVE-USA, go to the website saveus.org, write to us at $6 for postage and handling. Become a partner, friends. Let's take seriously. Tell your friends on Point Country about the radio program, will you? Spread the message about... Let's be doers of the word and not just hearers only. No time for fretting, but for faith.

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